Franken Lawyer: "We Are Going To Win"

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First Posted: 12- 2-08 02:06 PM   |   Updated: 01- 2-09 05:12 AM

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The Franken campaign struck a tone of confidence on Tuesday, insisting that once the votes were counted the numbers will reveal that they had bested Norm Coleman in the Minnesota Senate race.

"I'm very confident that Franken is going to win," said the Democratic challenger's lawyer Marc Elias. "I think we are going to win this recount. I have no doubt in my mind that Al Franken got more votes in this election that Norm Coleman. The only question is, will Norm Coleman have lawyers continue this fight."

There was reason for the optimism. While a local newspaper has the margin by which Franken trails in the recount somewhere in the 300-vote range, the Franken campaign itself says internal figures show them to be within 50 votes.

Perhaps more importantly, on Tuesday the Secretary of State's office directed county auditors and election officials to review previously rejected absentee ballots to determine whether or not they should be counted. For weeks, the Franken camp has argued that while many of the absentee ballots had been rejected for legitimate reasons, a portion of them (ranging from 500 to 1,000) could be deemed legitimate votes.

"We are grateful that the Secretary of State and the canvassing board agree with our assertion that properly cast absentee ballots can't be discounted," said Elias. "We are more confident than ever that these legally cast ballots will, in fact, be counted."

With the recount margin measure, potentially, in the dozens, each and every single vote could very well determine the victor. And the Franken campaign left the door open for legal action should improperly rejected ballots not, in the end, be counted. As if on cue, during the press conference on Tuesday a story emerged from Ramsey County in Minnesota -- a relatively Democratic locale -- that some 200 ballots had not been counted due to an optical scanning error. (updated below: these ballot findings could reduce the margin to a mere 13 votes)

Here are the important dates going forward:

By December 5, the state has estimated that it will have completed its hand recount.

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On December 8, the review of absentee votes will begin. The state will have to consider whether the votes were rejected for four specific reasons: if the voter's name and address on the return envelope was not the same as the information provided on the absentee ballot application, if the voter's signature on the return envelope was not the genuine signature of the individual, if the voter was not registered and eligible to vote in the precinct or has not included a properly completed voter registration application, or if the voter had already voted at the election. Every other ballot, according to Minnesota state law, cannot be legally rejected.

On December 16th, the canvassing board is set to consider ballots challenged by the two campaigns.

And on December 26 or before, there will be a meeting of the canvassing board to decide whether to count the absentee ballots that could have been improperly rejected.

UPDATE: The total number of ballots found missing is 171. And it is estimated that, once counted, this could give Franken a net gain of 12 votes. The Coleman campaign is contesting the story, saying that, if these 171 were actually counted it would mean that more votes were cast in the county that the actual number of people who signed in on Election Day. Looks like more legal drama to come in Minnesota.

LATE UPDATE: The Star Tribune reports that Franken actually picked up 37 votes from the discovered ballots, meaning that -- if the campaign's internal numbers are correct -- the margin separating him and Coleman is an estimated 13 votes.

The Franken campaign struck a tone of confidence on Tuesday, insisting that once the votes were counted the numbers will reveal that they had bested Norm Coleman in the Minnesota Senate race. "I'm ve...
The Franken campaign struck a tone of confidence on Tuesday, insisting that once the votes were counted the numbers will reveal that they had bested Norm Coleman in the Minnesota Senate race. "I'm ve...
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- Carolab I'm a Fan of Carolab 452 fans permalink
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Maplewood is a rather red area of Ramsey--wonder how those ballots never got counted and the machine was not replaced? There is a software developer in Maplewood who was in cahoots with the former, Republican operative SOS Mary Kiffmeyer.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:27 AM on 12/03/2008
- bubbuh I'm a Fan of bubbuh 187 fans permalink
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So, he/she/it cahooted the ballots and then returned them?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:39 AM on 12/03/2008
- Carolab I'm a Fan of Carolab 452 fans permalink
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You never know.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:36 AM on 12/03/2008
- Carolab I'm a Fan of Carolab 452 fans permalink
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CHECK THIS OUT:

Was Maplewood Mayor Diana Longrie on McCain's short list?

http://minnesotaindependent.com/9028/was-maplewood-mayor-diana-longrie-on-mccains-short-list

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:38 AM on 12/03/2008
- dezzertguy I'm a Fan of dezzertguy 13 fans permalink
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Can Franken steal the election. Finding all these votes is very interesting. With Acorn in the mix and the Sec of State supporting Franken. Sad that the process can be so perverted.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:15 AM on 12/03/2008
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I hear Rev Wright and Bill Ayers are involved with counting ballots, too...

sheesh, time to change your tinfoil...

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:51 AM on 12/03/2008
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the process can be perverted, all right... just ask Al Gore.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:21 AM on 12/03/2008
- Carolab I'm a Fan of Carolab 452 fans permalink
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Excuse me. You don't live in Minnesota. I do. We had an EXTREMELY PARTISAN REPUBLICAN Secretary of State, Mary Kiffmeyer, who was PERVERTING our entire election system. We kicked her out in 2006 for Mark Ritchie, who has promised, and fulfilled the promise, to run his office as a "nonpartisan". Mary Kiffmeyer wanted to force everyone to have voter ID. She worked with a questionable software firm in putting together our voter registration database. Mary Kiffmeyer now works with a group of fundamentalist Republicans called Minnesota Majority and they are trying, STILL, to subvert our election process. They have been HARASSING Ritchie throughout this recount. If you want to talk about "stolen elections", let me tell you that there is ample evidence to suggest that Mary Kiffmeyer was more than a little instrumental in getting Coleman and Bachmann "elected" in the first place, not to mention Tim Pawlenty. If ballots are "missing" here and there you can bet it's not because of Democrats hiding votes. Look at the results--who gained when they were "found"?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:55 AM on 12/03/2008
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dezzerguy would say, "You make that sound like a bad thing."

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:36 AM on 12/03/2008
- proudem I'm a Fan of proudem 14 fans permalink

I hope Franken wins...but this is the recount that never ends...

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:57 PM on 12/02/2008
- bubbuh I'm a Fan of bubbuh 187 fans permalink
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This is the count that never ends, yes it goes on and on my friends
Some people started recounting, not knowing what it was
And they'll continue recounting forever just because...This is...

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:42 AM on 12/03/2008

Pizza delivery in 30 minutes....it is not free anymore.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:56 PM on 12/02/2008
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It is wrong that the main reason I want Al Franken to win is so that Bill O the Clown will have to utter the phrase "Senator Franken" at some point? f it comes to pass Huffington Post better post it, because I do not watch Faux news anymore. It's not so fun anymore. Just sad...

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:49 PM on 12/02/2008
- Bullwinkie I'm a Fan of Bullwinkie 16 fans permalink

It better, A. Huffington has been in bed with Franken since she was right wing columnist.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:07 AM on 12/03/2008
- heal57 I'm a Fan of heal57 27 fans permalink

It's not wrong at all. It will drive Billo nutso and that's fine with me.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:44 AM on 12/03/2008
- doublels I'm a Fan of doublels 22 fans permalink

GO, AL, GO!!!!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:23 PM on 12/02/2008
- KarateKid I'm a Fan of KarateKid 438 fans permalink
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I didn't realize Minnesota was a banana republic.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:03 PM on 12/02/2008

Bachmann, say enough!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:57 PM on 12/02/2008
- Carolab I'm a Fan of Carolab 452 fans permalink
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Everyone can just shove it about Bachmann. We also have Tim Walz and Keith Ellison and Betty McCollum and a host of other really great Dems.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:28 AM on 12/03/2008
- kstuff I'm a Fan of kstuff 5 fans permalink

Oh good! 13 is my lucky number!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:28 PM on 12/02/2008
- tcagle I'm a Fan of tcagle 8 fans permalink
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Unlike OJ.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:11 AM on 12/03/2008
- donaldw6 I'm a Fan of donaldw6 357 fans permalink
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I'm looking forward to having Franken's witty perspective in the Senate. There's still a lot of egos in the Senate that need to be deflated, and nothing succeeds at doing that better than intelligent humor.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:11 PM on 12/02/2008
- trendier I'm a Fan of trendier 2 fans permalink

I will be very happy the day that Al gets declared the winner.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:48 PM on 12/02/2008

Can we please get beyond the Stewart Smalley references... please.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:26 PM on 12/02/2008
- fumes2 I'm a Fan of fumes2 11 fans permalink
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No we can not.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:46 PM on 12/02/2008
- shockmagog I'm a Fan of shockmagog 139 fans permalink
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Some people have such a limited knowledge of matters, and so cannot help themselves.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:54 PM on 12/02/2008
- Bitsko I'm a Fan of Bitsko 608 fans permalink
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You put that much nicer than I would.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:58 PM on 12/02/2008
- prunebush I'm a Fan of prunebush 5 fans permalink

How about we turn instead to "Liam the Loose-Boweled Leprechaun" references?

Hope THAT one never comes up in senate proceedings.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:25 PM on 12/02/2008

I'm just ciurious. How come all the ballots that keep turning up, 200 on the last find, are mostly for Frankin?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:00 PM on 12/02/2008
- condew I'm a Fan of condew 12 fans permalink

Because Republicans made them disappear in the first place.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:00 PM on 12/02/2008
- rmetz74 I'm a Fan of rmetz74 10 fans permalink

Correctamundo.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:33 PM on 12/02/2008
- fiorastar I'm a Fan of fiorastar 64 fans permalink
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Because they were "lost" in only Democratic districts where Repubs were trying to steal the election. I'm sure there are plenty more out there that haven't been found.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:47 PM on 12/02/2008

Just looked at the KSTP website and they show Franken ahead by around 4,900 votes with 91.13% of the votes recounted.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:46 PM on 12/02/2008
- levibatgirl I'm a Fan of levibatgirl 285 fans permalink
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I checked out KSTP.

It says Franken picked up 37 votes.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:58 PM on 12/02/2008

Well if you look at their main page it shows the recount tallies and it shows Franken ahead by almost 4900 votes, .... however I'm thinking those numbers might be skewed somehow in the way they are presented since every other news agency I've seen has them within a few votes of each other.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:22 PM on 12/02/2008

I hope this is accurate, it would make my year. First Obama and then Franken... cool!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:02 PM on 12/02/2008

I resent anyone who implies Franken is trying to steal an election he couldn't win fairly. Or that the Senate is run by a bunch of hacks who will try to rescue him. Franken is a national treasure and if the Republicans manage to win despite all his efforts, Obama should give him a job in the Cabinet. We need some humorous contrasts in our Government.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:45 PM on 12/02/2008
- hangdogit I'm a Fan of hangdogit 14 fans permalink

The Senate needs Franken as he will increase its collective IQ -- he might even add a little levity (with still too many pompous obstructionists like Saxbe/McConnell around).

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:36 PM on 12/02/2008
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