Franken Lawyer: "We Are Going To Win"

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First Posted: 12- 2-08 02:06 PM   |   Updated: 01- 2-09 05:12 AM

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The Franken campaign struck a tone of confidence on Tuesday, insisting that once the votes were counted the numbers will reveal that they had bested Norm Coleman in the Minnesota Senate race.

"I'm very confident that Franken is going to win," said the Democratic challenger's lawyer Marc Elias. "I think we are going to win this recount. I have no doubt in my mind that Al Franken got more votes in this election that Norm Coleman. The only question is, will Norm Coleman have lawyers continue this fight."

There was reason for the optimism. While a local newspaper has the margin by which Franken trails in the recount somewhere in the 300-vote range, the Franken campaign itself says internal figures show them to be within 50 votes.

Perhaps more importantly, on Tuesday the Secretary of State's office directed county auditors and election officials to review previously rejected absentee ballots to determine whether or not they should be counted. For weeks, the Franken camp has argued that while many of the absentee ballots had been rejected for legitimate reasons, a portion of them (ranging from 500 to 1,000) could be deemed legitimate votes.

"We are grateful that the Secretary of State and the canvassing board agree with our assertion that properly cast absentee ballots can't be discounted," said Elias. "We are more confident than ever that these legally cast ballots will, in fact, be counted."

With the recount margin measure, potentially, in the dozens, each and every single vote could very well determine the victor. And the Franken campaign left the door open for legal action should improperly rejected ballots not, in the end, be counted. As if on cue, during the press conference on Tuesday a story emerged from Ramsey County in Minnesota -- a relatively Democratic locale -- that some 200 ballots had not been counted due to an optical scanning error. (updated below: these ballot findings could reduce the margin to a mere 13 votes)

Here are the important dates going forward:

By December 5, the state has estimated that it will have completed its hand recount.

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On December 8, the review of absentee votes will begin. The state will have to consider whether the votes were rejected for four specific reasons: if the voter's name and address on the return envelope was not the same as the information provided on the absentee ballot application, if the voter's signature on the return envelope was not the genuine signature of the individual, if the voter was not registered and eligible to vote in the precinct or has not included a properly completed voter registration application, or if the voter had already voted at the election. Every other ballot, according to Minnesota state law, cannot be legally rejected.

On December 16th, the canvassing board is set to consider ballots challenged by the two campaigns.

And on December 26 or before, there will be a meeting of the canvassing board to decide whether to count the absentee ballots that could have been improperly rejected.

UPDATE: The total number of ballots found missing is 171. And it is estimated that, once counted, this could give Franken a net gain of 12 votes. The Coleman campaign is contesting the story, saying that, if these 171 were actually counted it would mean that more votes were cast in the county that the actual number of people who signed in on Election Day. Looks like more legal drama to come in Minnesota.

LATE UPDATE: The Star Tribune reports that Franken actually picked up 37 votes from the discovered ballots, meaning that -- if the campaign's internal numbers are correct -- the margin separating him and Coleman is an estimated 13 votes.

The Franken campaign struck a tone of confidence on Tuesday, insisting that once the votes were counted the numbers will reveal that they had bested Norm Coleman in the Minnesota Senate race. "I'm ve...
The Franken campaign struck a tone of confidence on Tuesday, insisting that once the votes were counted the numbers will reveal that they had bested Norm Coleman in the Minnesota Senate race. "I'm ve...
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- Dubois651 I'm a Fan of Dubois651 8 fans permalink
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Isn't Norm Coleman going to be joining Ted Stevens in prison soon?

Go Al Franken

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:34 PM on 12/02/2008
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As if...

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:32 PM on 12/02/2008
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I am hoping that Al wins, although, as I have said, I would love to have him back on my XM radio. I loved his show on AAR.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:30 PM on 12/02/2008

Honestly, this is mortifying for the Democrats. After all their claims in Florida. This should seal the lips of every Democrat for years to come on Voter Fraud. It would serve the Democrats right to have him actually go to the Senate with a 60 vote margin. The Brand GOP suffered major damage, I see the same in the coming years for the Democrat Brand. I hate this saying, but it gets to the point, give them enough rope.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:29 PM on 12/02/2008
- andvoodoo2 I'm a Fan of andvoodoo2 122 fans permalink
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Give us enough rope and we'll make hammocks for the homeless shelters.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:32 PM on 12/02/2008
- myangeldog1 I'm a Fan of myangeldog1 103 fans permalink
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Right ON !!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:44 PM on 12/02/2008
- helenwheels I'm a Fan of helenwheels 584 fans permalink
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excellent.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:25 PM on 12/02/2008
- drumz I'm a Fan of drumz 61 fans permalink
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Huh? What are you talking about?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:32 PM on 12/02/2008
- jotunloki I'm a Fan of jotunloki 8 fans permalink
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You need a job with the circus. Don't forget your red rubber nose.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:33 PM on 12/02/2008
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Are we supposed to know what you're talking about? Nobody's stopping the vote count just because they're ahead for the moment like the Republicans did for Bush in 2000.

Not that there's not a huge difference between America gaining a Democrat compared with having to suffer another Republican.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:36 PM on 12/02/2008
- dadw5boys I'm a Fan of dadw5boys 281 fans permalink
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Well every Democratic Majority has left the country in better shape than it found it and that is HISTORY !!!!!!!!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:38 PM on 12/02/2008
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Good one.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:45 PM on 12/02/2008

13 votes behind still means we lose this one. What happened to the wonderful Dem's turnout? Maybe some of the numbskulls who drew stick figures on their ballots should have actually cast a vote rather than stumble into the polls on coke, ecstasy, or whatever whitebread, upper middle class, or self-indulgent trip they were on.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:29 PM on 12/02/2008

You can't say that as it implies that Dems are LOW INFORMATION voters who can't read the simple rules when casting a ballot. Perhaps the Dems should hold a voting school before elections in order to help these poor souls that can't follow the simple rules.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:13 PM on 12/02/2008
- Earl I'm a Fan of Earl 109 fans permalink
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Methinks you believed the gag story on 236.com.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:54 PM on 12/02/2008
- Vr6 I'm a Fan of Vr6 11 fans permalink
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At this diminishing rate, Al shall be King!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:26 PM on 12/02/2008
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"more votes were cast in the county that the actual number of people who signed in on Election Day"

Well ... Yeah!

When the election was over, Coleman was up by around seven hundred votes. Shortly thereafter, his lead slipped to about two hundred. So my guess is, that there were about five hundred more ballots, than people who actually voted.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:23 PM on 12/02/2008
- prunebush I'm a Fan of prunebush 5 fans permalink

Wanna see something funny? Scroll through and look at the tr0ll posts. They are freaking out that a Dem is fighting to have the votes counted properly instead of rolling over and conceding. You'll also see them repeatedly laying out the full litany of goofy talking points they've been spoon-fed by right-wing radio.

It's like monkey house at the zoo! Hilarious!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:19 PM on 12/02/2008
- andvoodoo2 I'm a Fan of andvoodoo2 122 fans permalink
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"Monkey house at the zoo" is spot on - with all of usual the f e c e s flinging, too! If only they could be taught to communicate. It's sad that all they can do is mimic their handlers. They don't really understand what they're saying.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:24 PM on 12/02/2008
- Emerald1943 I'm a Fan of Emerald1943 311 fans permalink
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LMAOROTF!!!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:26 PM on 12/02/2008
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Great analogy

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:46 PM on 12/02/2008

This reminds me of the desperate, frantic posts leading up to the general election. I can't stop laughing.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:26 PM on 12/02/2008
- andvoodoo2 I'm a Fan of andvoodoo2 122 fans permalink
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I can't believe I'm saying this but, I've MISSED this! It's FUN!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:33 PM on 12/02/2008
- jotunloki I'm a Fan of jotunloki 8 fans permalink
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Like ol' TimmyS.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:35 PM on 12/02/2008
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That's a major insult to monkeys.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:37 PM on 12/02/2008
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"goofy talking points they've been spoon-fed by right-wing radio"

Interestingly though, we're here on a Left Wing blog, so at least we're open to a contrary opinion.

How many HuffPosters listen to right wing radio?

Curious to me, how many of you limit your information to only one side of the debate, and yet you consider yourselves "well informed."

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:49 PM on 12/02/2008
- nellie I'm a Fan of nellie 502 fans permalink
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I try to limit myself to the truth. When Rush LImbaugh learns what that is, let me know.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:59 PM on 12/02/2008
- GQB I'm a Fan of GQB 2 fans permalink

I'll listen to any legitimate source, left or right.
I won't bother with hate-mongering propaganda, as exemplified by most right wing talkers.
"Obama is wrong, and here's why" is perfectly valid and worth a listen.
"Obama is a secret muslim terrorist who isn't even a citizen" is vile spewage (and its going on big time on thousands of Rush wannabe talk shows.
Big difference.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:07 PM on 12/02/2008
- Downix I'm a Fan of Downix 16 fans permalink

I tune in both sides, listening to both Randi as well as Savage. On the way into work, I listen to Dan York (local conservative). I download the Randi Rhodes podcast. And on the way home, Michael Savage. How can I make up my own mind if I cannot listen to both sides of the issue? I do avoid some of the more radical elements such as Rush or O'Reily however.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:25 PM on 12/02/2008
- dphilip I'm a Fan of dphilip 41 fans permalink

There's nothing goofy about FBI investigations Timmy....

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:33 PM on 12/02/2008
- nellie I'm a Fan of nellie 502 fans permalink
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Anyone who gets on the radio and insults various groups of people, spews hate, tells us to hate this one or that one, and never offers any factual basis for anything, doesn't deserve a radio show, much less an audience. These guys survive by being constantly subsidized by the GOP. No thanks.

I read both sides. I don't need to listen to lies on the radio.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:43 PM on 12/02/2008
- KarateKid I'm a Fan of KarateKid 405 fans permalink
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That there could be this many errors in this day and age of technology, is an abomination, not to mention an indictment on the intelligence level of some of the electorate.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:16 PM on 12/02/2008
- Emerald1943 I'm a Fan of Emerald1943 311 fans permalink
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Nate Silver of fivethirtyeight.com has predicted Franken by 27 votes.....sounds like he might be correct, again!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:12 PM on 12/02/2008
- helenwheels I'm a Fan of helenwheels 584 fans permalink
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That guy is crazy smart. I am in complete awe. His site kept me sane during the election.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:56 PM on 12/02/2008
- lizziekw I'm a Fan of lizziekw 39 fans permalink

Hehehehe. Inch by inch, ballot by ballot, the margin closes in. You go, Al.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:11 PM on 12/02/2008
- Fuji I'm a Fan of Fuji 11 fans permalink

Yes, Franken picked up net 37 votes. After 171 ballots were "found." Daley could take a lesson from Stuart Smalley.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:11 PM on 12/02/2008
- andvoodoo2 I'm a Fan of andvoodoo2 122 fans permalink
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Sure they were. After they were "lost".

Geaux Al!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:12 PM on 12/02/2008
- Emerald1943 I'm a Fan of Emerald1943 311 fans permalink
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andvoodoo2, we seem to end up on the same threads at the same time! Great minds??

Sorry, OT! Go Big Al!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:15 PM on 12/02/2008

Baseless allegations - here in the reality based community you need to have actual evidence, proof of wrongdoing. Considering the fact that the elections board has been in the tank for Coleman up to this point, I sincerely doubt they would suddenly side with Franken. Put up or shut up, pubs.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:22 PM on 12/02/2008
- Fuji I'm a Fan of Fuji 11 fans permalink

Rubbish. "In the tank." You want to accuse me of baseless allegations, but then you make up your own. Oh the irony.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:28 PM on 12/02/2008
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awwww snap!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:58 PM on 12/02/2008
- snruB I'm a Fan of snruB 5 fans permalink
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Go Fraken!

People like you!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:53 PM on 12/02/2008
- nick1936 I'm a Fan of nick1936 17 fans permalink

Can HP get it right this morning they were reporting that Al was ahead by 74 votes now this. Besides when is Norm going to get indited

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:53 PM on 12/02/2008
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Indictment is like a magic "spell".
You have to "spell" it correctly in order for it to happen.
Also, here are some extra commas since you appear to be running short:

,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,

;)

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:24 PM on 12/02/2008
- Hamatreya I'm a Fan of Hamatreya 4 fans permalink
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indented? ignited?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:55 PM on 12/02/2008
- dolphy I'm a Fan of dolphy 46 fans permalink

Let's see if Coleman does not file a lawsuit if he ends up on the short end of this recount. He told Franken to do so, so he must do what he preaches?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:52 PM on 12/02/2008
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