Franken Lawyer: "We Are Going To Win"

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First Posted: 12- 2-08 02:06 PM   |   Updated: 01- 2-09 05:12 AM

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The Franken campaign struck a tone of confidence on Tuesday, insisting that once the votes were counted the numbers will reveal that they had bested Norm Coleman in the Minnesota Senate race.

"I'm very confident that Franken is going to win," said the Democratic challenger's lawyer Marc Elias. "I think we are going to win this recount. I have no doubt in my mind that Al Franken got more votes in this election that Norm Coleman. The only question is, will Norm Coleman have lawyers continue this fight."

There was reason for the optimism. While a local newspaper has the margin by which Franken trails in the recount somewhere in the 300-vote range, the Franken campaign itself says internal figures show them to be within 50 votes.

Perhaps more importantly, on Tuesday the Secretary of State's office directed county auditors and election officials to review previously rejected absentee ballots to determine whether or not they should be counted. For weeks, the Franken camp has argued that while many of the absentee ballots had been rejected for legitimate reasons, a portion of them (ranging from 500 to 1,000) could be deemed legitimate votes.

"We are grateful that the Secretary of State and the canvassing board agree with our assertion that properly cast absentee ballots can't be discounted," said Elias. "We are more confident than ever that these legally cast ballots will, in fact, be counted."

With the recount margin measure, potentially, in the dozens, each and every single vote could very well determine the victor. And the Franken campaign left the door open for legal action should improperly rejected ballots not, in the end, be counted. As if on cue, during the press conference on Tuesday a story emerged from Ramsey County in Minnesota -- a relatively Democratic locale -- that some 200 ballots had not been counted due to an optical scanning error. (updated below: these ballot findings could reduce the margin to a mere 13 votes)

Here are the important dates going forward:

By December 5, the state has estimated that it will have completed its hand recount.

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On December 8, the review of absentee votes will begin. The state will have to consider whether the votes were rejected for four specific reasons: if the voter's name and address on the return envelope was not the same as the information provided on the absentee ballot application, if the voter's signature on the return envelope was not the genuine signature of the individual, if the voter was not registered and eligible to vote in the precinct or has not included a properly completed voter registration application, or if the voter had already voted at the election. Every other ballot, according to Minnesota state law, cannot be legally rejected.

On December 16th, the canvassing board is set to consider ballots challenged by the two campaigns.

And on December 26 or before, there will be a meeting of the canvassing board to decide whether to count the absentee ballots that could have been improperly rejected.

UPDATE: The total number of ballots found missing is 171. And it is estimated that, once counted, this could give Franken a net gain of 12 votes. The Coleman campaign is contesting the story, saying that, if these 171 were actually counted it would mean that more votes were cast in the county that the actual number of people who signed in on Election Day. Looks like more legal drama to come in Minnesota.

LATE UPDATE: The Star Tribune reports that Franken actually picked up 37 votes from the discovered ballots, meaning that -- if the campaign's internal numbers are correct -- the margin separating him and Coleman is an estimated 13 votes.

The Franken campaign struck a tone of confidence on Tuesday, insisting that once the votes were counted the numbers will reveal that they had bested Norm Coleman in the Minnesota Senate race. "I'm ve...
The Franken campaign struck a tone of confidence on Tuesday, insisting that once the votes were counted the numbers will reveal that they had bested Norm Coleman in the Minnesota Senate race. "I'm ve...
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I'll believe it when I see it.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:50 PM on 12/02/2008

Now you have a new case to point to when someone says "my one vote doesn't matter."

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:48 PM on 12/02/2008
- hsk01945 I'm a Fan of hsk01945 3 fans permalink

This could be a whammy: "on Tuesday the Secretary of State's office directed county auditors and election officials to review previously rejected absentee ballots to determine whether or not they should be counted. For weeks, the Franken camp has argued that while many of the absentee ballots had been rejected for legitimate reasons, a portion of them (ranging from 500 to 1,000) could be deemed legitimate votes."

Who exactly will make the decisions about which ballots are "legitimate?"

I see this election decided either by a court or the Senate.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:47 PM on 12/02/2008

liberals= SHEEP

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:45 PM on 12/02/2008

Yeah, ad hominem is going to get you real far...

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:46 PM on 12/02/2008

For GOP trolls as far as a dictionary to look up what ad hominem is.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:56 PM on 12/02/2008
- andvoodoo2 I'm a Fan of andvoodoo2 122 fans permalink
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liberals= IN CHARGE

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:47 PM on 12/02/2008

liberals= equal the united states of europe

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:54 PM on 12/02/2008

They must have booted all of the REPUB's out of Fox news.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:05 PM on 12/02/2008
- jbeach I'm a Fan of jbeach 16 fans permalink

Oh, come on Senator Coleman. Lighten up. You could soon have a brand new job opportunity in the private sector.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:51 PM on 12/02/2008
- myangeldog1 I'm a Fan of myangeldog1 103 fans permalink
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How would you catagorize all of the Independents and Repubs that voted for change? My what a sore loser you are.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:52 PM on 12/02/2008
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Neocons = SHEEPLE

boy that was fun.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:59 PM on 12/02/2008

ugh, the election w/ the 2 candidates no one can stand will just never end!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:45 PM on 12/02/2008
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Unless you're from MN, irrelevent. Go post something about GA.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:49 PM on 12/02/2008
- lizziekw I'm a Fan of lizziekw 39 fans permalink

I love Al Franken. Norm Coleman, not so much.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:18 PM on 12/02/2008
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Read the comments from all the wingers posting on this article. They're both terrified and offended that a Dem just doesn't lay down for them anymore. We should take a page from Franken's book.

GO, AL, GO!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:40 PM on 12/02/2008
- andvoodoo2 I'm a Fan of andvoodoo2 122 fans permalink
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They are positively frying in their own grease!

Go get 'em, AL!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:43 PM on 12/02/2008
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Yeah they are all riled up.

I guess this proves when their media masters tell them to hate some one, they don't question it at all.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:47 PM on 12/02/2008

did you run out of toilet paper too? I hate it when that happens.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:50 PM on 12/02/2008
- andvoodoo2 I'm a Fan of andvoodoo2 122 fans permalink
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Don't worry - Obama is going to turn this economy around and you, too, will be able to afford the basics like toilet paper!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:54 PM on 12/02/2008

I believe they used their toilet paper to create ballots.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:09 PM on 12/02/2008
- Ramirez I'm a Fan of Ramirez 289 fans permalink
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I think that when more ballots are found tomorrow they should be careful to not exceed the number of people signed in to vote. That always looks bad.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:39 PM on 12/02/2008

Accusations from the GOP are empty until proven.

Just look at the "ballots in the car!" thing, that turned out to be a lie made up by Coleman's people.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:44 PM on 12/02/2008

please supply the proof .or YOU ARE A LIAR

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:47 PM on 12/02/2008
- andvoodoo2 I'm a Fan of andvoodoo2 122 fans permalink
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The only thing that "looks bad" around here is the desperation and venom from GOP cry-babies like you.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:45 PM on 12/02/2008

99 % here are lefties and you spit out venom like there s no tomorrow

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:07 PM on 12/02/2008
- jbeach I'm a Fan of jbeach 16 fans permalink

Yeah. Those Republicans for Coleman better make sure they disappeared the right number of Franken ballots.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:51 PM on 12/02/2008

You got proof of wrongdoing? Put up or shut up, pub.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:17 PM on 12/02/2008
- Fez I'm a Fan of Fez 30 fans permalink
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The spirit of Paul Wellstone returns. Good luck, Al!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:33 PM on 12/02/2008
- myangeldog1 I'm a Fan of myangeldog1 103 fans permalink
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: )

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:35 PM on 12/02/2008

Here! Here! The corrupt stain of Norm "carpetbagger" Coleman will soon move from the Senate floor to the courtroom and Senator Wellstone can once more rest in peace.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:19 PM on 12/02/2008

THIS TIME !!!!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:29 PM on 12/02/2008

OK gotta go kids, I just found 248 votes for Al in my trunk and traffic to LAX is bad this time of day.

Hang in there Al, I am on my way!!! I hope these are enough - - -

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:28 PM on 12/02/2008
- andvoodoo2 I'm a Fan of andvoodoo2 122 fans permalink
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Don't bother. He has enough REAL votes to win - assuming Coleman didn't torch them.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:35 PM on 12/02/2008

Don't worry about it...just use it for toilet paper, as you should have used your ballot.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:10 PM on 12/02/2008

The only sensible thing to do is to stop this endless charade and call for a new election.

Neither of these two guys will 'win'. Whoever becomes the new Senator will find half the Minnesotan community feeling robbed.

So stop it, start over and then see which part of the community is more passionate about their candidate and party.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:28 PM on 12/02/2008

de ja vu - can anyone say Al Gore - while I agree a new election would be best, half of MN not liking their senator or feeling 'robbed' is not a valid argument in our democracy - whoever gets the most votes (even it is only by 1 vote) gets the majority - plain and simple!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:33 PM on 12/02/2008
- prunebush I'm a Fan of prunebush 5 fans permalink

I want Al to win, but I actually agree with this solution.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:37 PM on 12/02/2008
- MrsPeel I'm a Fan of MrsPeel 57 fans permalink
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One person's "sensible" is another person's "violation of the law."

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:41 PM on 12/02/2008
- RButler I'm a Fan of RButler 62 fans permalink

You're right about a new election. If first counts and recounts aren't absolutely accurate and there is still a good sized error rate, then a new election should be part of the process if it's close by a certain percentage. A 'win' by 1 vote when there is so much subjective determination of the intent of the voter on hundreds or thousands of ballots is not a clean 'win'.

If the counts were 100% accurate, a 'win' by 1 vote would be a genuine 'win'. Until then, it's filled with real or imagined fraud or incompetence.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:46 PM on 12/02/2008
- jbeach I'm a Fan of jbeach 16 fans permalink

A second election would take longer, and cost even more money - and then you'd still have to count all the votes.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:53 PM on 12/02/2008
- SparkyDash I'm a Fan of SparkyDash 50 fans permalink
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Good luck Minnesota. Good luck Al Franken.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:25 PM on 12/02/2008
- kae I'm a Fan of kae 4 fans permalink

Good luck Minnesota is right!
What we've seen of the Minnesota police/2008 Repub convention and Michelle Bachman??? What's up Minnesota? sorry but, yuck!
Please Minnesota, less Coleman....more Franken. Go Al!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:40 PM on 12/02/2008

By hook, or crook. I understand that ballots were found at the Warner Brother's filming lot which include Daffy Duck, Bugs Bunny and Forhorn Leghorn.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:24 PM on 12/02/2008

ACORN strongly challenges that. Daffy, Bugs, and Foghorn all registered and voted in Ohio. Early

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:31 PM on 12/02/2008
- SparkyDash I'm a Fan of SparkyDash 50 fans permalink
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Bugs was a little later than the others

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:35 PM on 12/02/2008
- andvoodoo2 I'm a Fan of andvoodoo2 122 fans permalink
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ACORN may have REGISTERED them, but they still couldn't VOTE. Why is this so hard for you? Oh, wait, I know why - GOP.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:37 PM on 12/02/2008
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Really - the whole ACORN fiasco isn't that hard to understand.
When a voter registration card gets filled out, whoever has it filled out (Acorn in this case) is required by law to turn it in, even if it is obviously false. Acorn went above and beyond and sorted their registrations and notified the local elections offices of which ones they believe are false. Had they not turned in all registrations that were filled out, they would be acting illegally.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:59 PM on 12/02/2008
- applehead I'm a Fan of applehead 14 fans permalink
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just curious. how did you feel about the supreme court stealing the 2000 election and giving it to bush and cheney? how do you feel about bush and cheney ruining our country? how did you feel abut the dubai port deal? how do you feel about campeon and ramos being railroaded by our own 'homeland security'? what do you think about our borders still being as unprotected now as they were on september 10h 2001?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:41 PM on 12/02/2008
- jbeach I'm a Fan of jbeach 16 fans permalink

Don't forget all of the Franken ballots that were disappeared by Voldemort.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:55 PM on 12/02/2008
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Geez - comedians running for the Senate. What are we gonna have next - cartoon characters ?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:19 PM on 12/02/2008
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We had a clown in the White House the past 8 years!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:21 PM on 12/02/2008

No, one just got elected.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:26 PM on 12/02/2008

and what do we have now? lets see. you libs call him god, messiah, the chosen one, the great savior. all you liberal fools. need to get of that fools paradise of an island your living on

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:28 PM on 12/02/2008

How is that any different than actors like Reagan or Ahnold or Fred Thompson, or a singer like Sonny Bono?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:23 PM on 12/02/2008
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I'd rather have a comedian than a payola favor player

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:25 PM on 12/02/2008

you mean that guy in Lousiana that had all the cash chillin' in his freezer?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:34 PM on 12/02/2008
- Happylib I'm a Fan of Happylib 83 fans permalink
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Hey Bobo the clown....Franken is more than a comedian. Lets stop excluding people because they don't come from a background you find suitable. Al is extremely intelligent and could best you in a debate on any political topic. We tried cartoon characters named Bush and Cheney and they blew it. Time to let the real folks in. GET 'EM AL!!!!!!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:27 PM on 12/02/2008
- Maezeppa I'm a Fan of Maezeppa 26 fans permalink

Al Franken graduated from Harvard with a degree in political science and has been a politically active and involved citizen for decades. You?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:31 PM on 12/02/2008

M- that was the same line Obama used.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:32 PM on 12/02/2008
- Meggie I'm a Fan of Meggie 101 fans permalink
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It's about time a Democrat stood up and made sure every vote is counted. Take that Republicans! No matter who comes out the senator in this, at least the people of Minnesota had a real election.
Perhaps if all Democrats made a habit of making sure that Americans have their votes counted we wouldn't be in this war and financial disaster that the Republicans got us into.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:18 PM on 12/02/2008

I recall a certain presidential election (Bush/Gore), where democrats did not want absentee ballots counted from troops serving overseas.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:29 PM on 12/02/2008

And did Bush want all votes counted? No.

In the end, all votes were not counted.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:45 PM on 12/02/2008
- prunebush I'm a Fan of prunebush 5 fans permalink

Absolutely incorrect. And it was the 5-4 Supreme Court decision of Bush v. Gore that STOPPED the counting of every vote.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:47 PM on 12/02/2008
- jbeach I'm a Fan of jbeach 16 fans permalink

Fascinating! You know, I remember the same election recount was shut down by a SCOTUS decision, which somehow Republicans loved even though it was resolutely anti-State's Rights.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:58 PM on 12/02/2008

Your statement about the democrats being against the counting of votes from troops overseas reflects a tendency among many Americans to believe everything that comes out of the mouths of mainstream media actors.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:47 PM on 12/02/2008
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