Franken Lawyer: "We Are Going To Win"

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First Posted: 12- 2-08 02:06 PM   |   Updated: 01- 2-09 05:12 AM

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The Franken campaign struck a tone of confidence on Tuesday, insisting that once the votes were counted the numbers will reveal that they had bested Norm Coleman in the Minnesota Senate race.

"I'm very confident that Franken is going to win," said the Democratic challenger's lawyer Marc Elias. "I think we are going to win this recount. I have no doubt in my mind that Al Franken got more votes in this election that Norm Coleman. The only question is, will Norm Coleman have lawyers continue this fight."

There was reason for the optimism. While a local newspaper has the margin by which Franken trails in the recount somewhere in the 300-vote range, the Franken campaign itself says internal figures show them to be within 50 votes.

Perhaps more importantly, on Tuesday the Secretary of State's office directed county auditors and election officials to review previously rejected absentee ballots to determine whether or not they should be counted. For weeks, the Franken camp has argued that while many of the absentee ballots had been rejected for legitimate reasons, a portion of them (ranging from 500 to 1,000) could be deemed legitimate votes.

"We are grateful that the Secretary of State and the canvassing board agree with our assertion that properly cast absentee ballots can't be discounted," said Elias. "We are more confident than ever that these legally cast ballots will, in fact, be counted."

With the recount margin measure, potentially, in the dozens, each and every single vote could very well determine the victor. And the Franken campaign left the door open for legal action should improperly rejected ballots not, in the end, be counted. As if on cue, during the press conference on Tuesday a story emerged from Ramsey County in Minnesota -- a relatively Democratic locale -- that some 200 ballots had not been counted due to an optical scanning error. (updated below: these ballot findings could reduce the margin to a mere 13 votes)

Here are the important dates going forward:

By December 5, the state has estimated that it will have completed its hand recount.

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On December 8, the review of absentee votes will begin. The state will have to consider whether the votes were rejected for four specific reasons: if the voter's name and address on the return envelope was not the same as the information provided on the absentee ballot application, if the voter's signature on the return envelope was not the genuine signature of the individual, if the voter was not registered and eligible to vote in the precinct or has not included a properly completed voter registration application, or if the voter had already voted at the election. Every other ballot, according to Minnesota state law, cannot be legally rejected.

On December 16th, the canvassing board is set to consider ballots challenged by the two campaigns.

And on December 26 or before, there will be a meeting of the canvassing board to decide whether to count the absentee ballots that could have been improperly rejected.

UPDATE: The total number of ballots found missing is 171. And it is estimated that, once counted, this could give Franken a net gain of 12 votes. The Coleman campaign is contesting the story, saying that, if these 171 were actually counted it would mean that more votes were cast in the county that the actual number of people who signed in on Election Day. Looks like more legal drama to come in Minnesota.

LATE UPDATE: The Star Tribune reports that Franken actually picked up 37 votes from the discovered ballots, meaning that -- if the campaign's internal numbers are correct -- the margin separating him and Coleman is an estimated 13 votes.

The Franken campaign struck a tone of confidence on Tuesday, insisting that once the votes were counted the numbers will reveal that they had bested Norm Coleman in the Minnesota Senate race. "I'm ve...
The Franken campaign struck a tone of confidence on Tuesday, insisting that once the votes were counted the numbers will reveal that they had bested Norm Coleman in the Minnesota Senate race. "I'm ve...
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Maybe Al's agent, manager, negotiated syndication rights and this whole election is just a pilot for a new reality show.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:17 PM on 12/02/2008
- somsoc I'm a Fan of somsoc 64 fans permalink
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Al has the integrity that we need in the Senate. Something his GOP opponent lacks.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:17 PM on 12/02/2008

the whole tax thing shows his integrity loud and clear.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:21 PM on 12/02/2008
- prunebush I'm a Fan of prunebush 5 fans permalink

Yes it does. He actually OVERPAID his taxes. His accountant just sent the check to his home state when part of the money was technically due to the states where he was traveling.

But he OVERPAID them.

Get your facts straight. Look behind the thin talking points they spoon-feed you on the Ray-Dee-Oh.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:53 PM on 12/02/2008
- jbeach I'm a Fan of jbeach 16 fans permalink

Yes! Mistakes definitely mean crookedness. Especially when immediately corrected

Whereas crookedness on Coleman's part, by accepting unreported gifts and unearned salaries for his wife, really must be mistakes instead.

IOKIYAR.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:00 PM on 12/02/2008
- Skeptiqone I'm a Fan of Skeptiqone 27 fans permalink
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It is totally fine if it is a drawn out legal battle. If something is very very important, people battle in court. This is important to both parties. I do not approve of the idea that who ever is behind should just give up for the sake keeping the peace. That is what Al Gore did in 2000....and it was a huge mistake. We should want the person to win who got the most votes, not because mistakes changed the talley.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:15 PM on 12/02/2008

Don't be simple. Gore did not give up, the matter was decided by the Supreme Court - you can't appeal the Supreme Court - especially when you didn't even win your home state.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:19 PM on 12/02/2008
- sacrebleu I'm a Fan of sacrebleu 11 fans permalink
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Well, you needn't be rude.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:29 PM on 12/02/2008
- andvoodoo2 I'm a Fan of andvoodoo2 122 fans permalink
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And Clarence Thomas' wife was one of Bush's key PAID campaign managers. Can you say "conflict of interest"?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:42 PM on 12/02/2008
- Maezeppa I'm a Fan of Maezeppa 26 fans permalink

The US Supreme Court is the final arbiter. The process went as far as it could be taken.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:34 PM on 12/02/2008

I'm not sure your statement is true since many election laws had been broken in that presidential race and therefore many lawsuits could have been filed, even after the five Republican justices effectively stopped the counting of votes in Florida. My guess is that Gore might have accepted some kind of lucrative deal to concede, thereby selling out the people. Other lawsuits initiated by Gore after the Supreme Court decision would have undoubtedly put Bush on ice, making it impossible for him to become president-elect until such lawsuits are settled.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:03 PM on 12/02/2008
- bubbuh I'm a Fan of bubbuh 160 fans permalink
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Count Al the votes! Count Al the votes!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:12 PM on 12/02/2008
- CharlesJ I'm a Fan of CharlesJ 16 fans permalink
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Too much drama here. All I can say it even if Franken comes out in front it will not be over there will be legal challanges by Norm. This is going to be a drawn out battle that will end only in the courts, just my opinion.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:12 PM on 12/02/2008
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C'mon Al! If Chris Gregoire could do it in 2004 so can you!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:12 PM on 12/02/2008
- jbeach I'm a Fan of jbeach 16 fans permalink

Yes! If Gregoire can stand by the voters and have all of them counted, so that the people's will can be followed, so should everyone!

Even if it bothers a few right-wingers who would rather subvert the very essence of democracy than lose, it's still worth it.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:20 PM on 12/02/2008

"The Coleman campaign is contesting the story, saying that, if these 171 were actually counted it would mean that more votes were cast in the county that the actual number of people who signed in on Election Day"

I would like Dems to explain this

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:10 PM on 12/02/2008

you sir are the victim of a republican talking point ! ACORN has certified that these votes are legit. Also the whole signing in process is suspect because many Al Franken fans cannot spell their names.

I smell something and it smells like voter disenfranchisement conspiracy...

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:14 PM on 12/02/2008

No, that's just the smoldering pile you imagine to be your wit.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:25 PM on 12/02/2008
- somsoc I'm a Fan of somsoc 64 fans permalink
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I would like the GOP to explain this as well. You don't get it, m o r on.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:18 PM on 12/02/2008

those who make the accusation need to provide the proof

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:18 PM on 12/02/2008

I would like those who made the accusation to back it up with proof.

Or is this going to be another one of those things like "ballots found in somebody's car" that was claimed but turned out to be lies?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:20 PM on 12/02/2008
- Kiba I'm a Fan of Kiba 71 fans permalink
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More votes are normally cast in most counties than the number of people who sign in on Election Day. Absentee voters don't sign in anywhere on Election Day.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:24 PM on 12/02/2008
- liseworks I'm a Fan of liseworks 142 fans permalink
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Lookin' mighty good !!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:09 PM on 12/02/2008
- SammyGone I'm a Fan of SammyGone 5 fans permalink

He has to win-what else can he do for a living? Get his dirty little hands in the federal till.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:07 PM on 12/02/2008
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Best-selling writer?

He can do a few things, I think.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:20 PM on 12/02/2008

People need to be more specific than "he", which candidate are you talking about?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:20 PM on 12/02/2008
- lessbs I'm a Fan of lessbs 19 fans permalink
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Are you talking about Coleman and the money illegally given to his wife's insurance agency?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:21 PM on 12/02/2008

Is this your idea of what the job entails?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:29 PM on 12/02/2008
- Maezeppa I'm a Fan of Maezeppa 26 fans permalink

Yeah, that Norm COleman is a piece of work. Yuck.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:39 PM on 12/02/2008
- myangeldog1 I'm a Fan of myangeldog1 103 fans permalink
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I wish most Super Bowls were this close !

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:05 PM on 12/02/2008
- CR46 I'm a Fan of CR46 275 fans permalink

Go Al !!!!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:02 PM on 12/02/2008
- 3rdCitizen I'm a Fan of 3rdCitizen 35 fans permalink

Is it just me or has this gotten to seem like an SNL skit? This recount is dragging on longer than the death of Generalissimo Francisco Franco!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:02 PM on 12/02/2008

it's just you. it's democracy at work, trying to insure a fair election

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:12 PM on 12/02/2008
- somsoc I'm a Fan of somsoc 64 fans permalink
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What was missing in 2000 and 2004 in Florida and Ohio respectively.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:20 PM on 12/02/2008

It's only dragging on so long because Coleman is contesting so many ballots, in many case frivolous challenges. Which means that Franken pretty much has to challenge about the same amount or risk the false impression that Coleman's lead is growing.

All the ballots need to be examined and counted. With six thousand challenges it will take a while. I'd rather have it done right than done fast, what's the hurry anyway?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:22 PM on 12/02/2008

to you democracy is democrats getting to 60 seats any possible way. lie cheat steal. the liberal way

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:24 PM on 12/02/2008
- rkimball I'm a Fan of rkimball 5 fans permalink

the dems won in both minnesota & georgia. they control the house & senate. there is nothing the republicans can do. not a thing.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:02 PM on 12/02/2008

They sure did, its going to be very interesting. Dems control presidency, house and senate. I can only imagine the excuses in the next few years.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:18 PM on 12/03/2008

keep your head up Stewart!

You're good enough, you're smart enough, and gosh darnit, people like you!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:01 PM on 12/02/2008
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I don't know if this race is a joke or a punchline.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:01 PM on 12/02/2008
- SammyGone I'm a Fan of SammyGone 5 fans permalink

It's a nightmare

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:04 PM on 12/02/2008

Al Franken...Minnesota...lawyers....votes falling from the sky ??? All we need is a pro wrestler and a midget -

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:05 PM on 12/02/2008
- Grunty1 I'm a Fan of Grunty1 227 fans permalink

Coleman is the joke, Franken will be the punchline.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:11 PM on 12/02/2008
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