GM Sales Drop 41 Percent As US Auto Industry Sinks

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DAN STRUMPF and BREE FOWLER | December 2, 2008 09:39 PM EST | AP

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Unsold 2008 Liberty sports-utility vehicles sit at a Chrysler-Jeep dealership in the southeast Denver suburb of Centennial, Colo., on Sunday, Nov. 2, 2008. Chrysler LLC on Tuesday, Dec. 2 said its November U.S. sales plunged, citing an industrywide drop in demand for new vehicles and lower fleet sales. Sales of the automaker's Jeep brand vehicles fell 41.8 percent to 20,302 units. (AP Photo/David Zalubowski)

NEW YORK — U.S. auto sales plunged 37 percent in November to their worst level in more than 26 years, dashing expectations that this dismal year for vehicle demand had found a bottom, and adding more ammunition to the Detroit automakers' case for a congressional lifeline.

Every major automaker reported a year-over-year sales decline of more than 30 percent on Tuesday. The Detroit carmakers were among the worst hit, with GM's U.S. sales falling 41 percent and Chrysler LLC's dropping 47 percent.

Their overseas rivals posted abysmal results as well. Toyota's sales tumbled 34 percent, while Nissan's dropped 42 percent and Honda's fell 32 percent.

"Our industry is in a much more severe situation than the rest of the economy," said Mike DiGiovanni, General Motors Corp.'s executive director of global market and industry analysis. "We cannot continue at these levels or else the entire industry is going to go down."

U.S. auto sales in November fell to 746,789, according to Autodata Corp. On a seasonally adjusted basis, automakers reported an annual sales rate of 10.2 million units, the lowest level since October 1982.

Automakers and analysts blamed the crumbling economy, less access to vehicle financing, and a wait-and-see approach among consumers more preoccupied with the value of their homes and the fate of their jobs than the lure of a new car.

"Consumers (are) not showing up at the dealerships _ regardless of the deals they're being offered and regardless of how low the gas prices go," said Jesse Toprak, executive director of industry analysis for the automotive Web site Edmunds.com.

The dreary reports came the same day the Detroit Three sent reports to Congress detailing why they are worthy of as much as $34 billion in emergency loans.

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GM said it needs $4 billion this month and a total of as much as $18 billion to keep operating, while Chrysler is asking for $7 billion by year's end. Ford Motor Co. wants a $9 billion standby line of credit, though it has said it has enough cash to get through 2009 and may not have to touch the government's money.

Few analysts expected November's sales numbers to be quite so low, predicting lower gas prices and higher incentive spending by automakers eager to make deals put a floor under sales. Incentive spending rose 15.2 percent from last November, according to Edmunds, while gas prices have plunged by more than half from their hall-time highs this summer.

But those factors did little to bring nervous consumers into showrooms. Jim Farley, Ford's group vice president of marketing, said he expects the industry to post continued year-over-year sales declines until at least the second half of 2009.

"We could see some strengthening in the second half of next year, or at least some stabilization, albeit at a much lower level," Farley said in a conference call with analysts and reporters.

Despite its 31 percent sales drop in November sales, Ford's market share grew 1 percentage point, helped by a recovery in its pickup truck segment and demand for the Ford Fusion sedan. Sales of Ford's top-selling F-Series pickups dropped 19 percent, significantly less than most of the automaker's models.

George Pipas, the automaker's top sales analyst, said with gas prices falling, the company will increase the proportion of its truck production early next year.

"In effect, right now we need more trucks and we need fewer cars and crossovers," Pipas said.

Toyota Motor Corp., Japan's No. 1 automaker, said truck sales plummeted 36 percent, while demand for passenger cars fell 32 percent, despite the automaker's extension of zero-percent financing on a dozen vehicles.

Toyota said Tuesday that it would extend the zero percent financing offer into December, although it will be up to regional dealers to promote the deals. Nationally, the company said it will focus its advertising on new models, such as the Venza crossover.

Toyota officials said they expect short-term sales to be down, but the introduction of the Venza and a new Prius model may boost sales in early 2009.

"While we're getting our fair share of the industry's sales, we're feeling the effects," said Brian Smith, vice president of Lexus sales and dealer development. "Quite frankly we're interested in anything that improves consumer confidence in the industry."

GM was more downbeat. Mark LaNeve, GM's vice president for North American sales, service and marketing, said the company did "zero leasing" in November. He acknowledged that the media coverage of the proposed auto industry bailout likely had a negative affect on sales, though he said it was difficult to quantify.

GM went to great lengths in a conference call to portray its declines as a product of the broader economic weakness. The company has said its survival is in question if it does not get a federal lifeline.

LaNeve said the company is focused on getting loans from the government and does not have a plan to operate under bankruptcy. GM has said bankruptcy would decimate sales because consumers would not buy cars from an automaker that might not outlast their vehicle.

"We're not working on any plan around bankruptcy," he said. "We're working on self help and trying to get assistance in terms of loan guarantees from Washington. There's not a plan dealing with bankruptcy in the company that I know of."

Edmunds' Toprak said there were some bright spots in November. There were two fewer sales days compared with October, which made the month-to-month decline more pronounced. In the meantime, the sluggish sales are creating pent-up demand that will likely boost sales once consumer confidence returns.

"Consumers don't want to make a big-ticket item purchase, and cars are obviously the second-biggest purchase they make after their homes," he said. "They're simply waiting for the dust to settle."

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AP Auto Writer Kimberly S. Johnson in Detroit contributed to this report.

NEW YORK — U.S. auto sales plunged 37 percent in November to their worst level in more than 26 years, dashing expectations that this dismal year for vehicle demand had found a bottom, and adding...
NEW YORK — U.S. auto sales plunged 37 percent in November to their worst level in more than 26 years, dashing expectations that this dismal year for vehicle demand had found a bottom, and adding...
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No one is lining up to buy vehicles from the big 3.

Their ack of quality, reliabillity and cost of ownership are the reasons Toyota and Honda are in the position they are today. The big 3 have lost half of their potential car buyers to foreigners and these people will not come back to Detroit. A Honda or Toyota with 200K on it is a much better vehicle than a big 3 car with 70K on it, this is well known. You can expect a Toyota or Honda to last 250,000 miles or more, getting an Americancar to make 100K without a massive repair bill is a challenge!
It is over for the big 3. The bailout will not save them!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:20 AM on 12/07/2008
- javaman I'm a Fan of javaman 5 fans permalink

at this very moment GM stock is at: $4.80. buy it while it lasts!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:20 AM on 12/03/2008
- research I'm a Fan of research 254 fans permalink

How much would it take to buy a controlling interest?

Moore mentioned 3B$.

Let's buy it. quietly.

Invite the execs back, and publicly fire them.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/michael-moore/saving-the-big-3-for-you_b_147970.html

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:14 PM on 12/03/2008

Send these companies to the scrap heap. The new jobs they create are not in America. You are only saving their CEOs! For what?

When Lee Iacocca saved Chrysler, K-Cars were made in America and the parts were made in America. Where is your "American" car made today?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:02 AM on 12/03/2008
- senorlou I'm a Fan of senorlou 101 fans permalink

The car companies were stupid to blow all their research and development money on idiotic or outdated cars and trucks like the Tahoe Hybrid (20 mpg when going downhill on the fwy), the G8 (nice rear wheel drive v8, stupid timing), the Camaro (same as G8), the Flex, the entire Chrysler lineup, etc. etc. But all car companies are suffering now from the economic fiasco happening worldwide, and even the brilliant Japanese car companies are experiencing massive losses. Let's save these car companies, fire their CEOs, and get them going in a whole new direction with hybrids, clean diesel/ biodiesel, and electric cars. Who cares what the price of gas is today? They'll jack it up again as soon as they can, so we need to be ready next time. Somebody has to make no-nonsense, high-mileage, dependable cars that are cheap enough for average people to afford while still making a profit. Save the jobs, and then let's make more sensible cars ASAP.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:46 AM on 12/03/2008
- Teritt I'm a Fan of Teritt 9 fans permalink

I don't understand why everyone is against loaning money to the big 3. First of all, it's a loan. Secondly, 1 in 10 jobs in this country are tied to the industry. Doesn't anyone realize that if they went bankrupt and wouldn't have to pay the retirees healthcare WE TAXPAYERS would be stuck with them too? No one considers the concessions we gave to the foreign car companies to manufacture their cars here in the South that helped create the advantage they have over Detroit. Instead of letting your opinions be formed by the media, think about the other repercussions to our country.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:25 AM on 12/03/2008
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"I don't understand why everyone is against loaning money to the big 3."

Have you noticed that the banks aren't lending the money we "rescued" us with?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:50 AM on 12/03/2008
- w8aminute I'm a Fan of w8aminute 16 fans permalink

I personally don't know anyone trying to borrow the money - everyone I know is 'hunkered down' and not trying to borrow more. I don't understand why we can 'bailout 'and NOT lend money to Wall Street, not make their CEOs accept $1 salaries, let them commit $400 million or whatever to put their name on a baseball stadium and they don't even produce anything to sell except bad debt. Take away the oil companies tax breaks and finance the car manufacturers loan, and start putting pressure on Wall Street to start acting fiscally responsible instead of greedy. People are turning on the Detroit because they're bitter about Wall Street.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:06 AM on 12/03/2008
- rkimball I'm a Fan of rkimball 3 fans permalink

this is what happens when us automakers don't build cars people demand. they shove gas hog suv & trucks down everyone's throats because they are concerned more about profit margins & less of what people want. then they expect consumers to come back for more.

i drive a toyota because they always ask me what i want in my next car. they acually listen to consumers.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:19 AM on 12/03/2008

Three Blind Mice...see how they beg...see how they cry.
They spent the money on stupid retreats. They spent the money on expensive homes.
They spent the money without any remorse...Three Blind Mice.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:01 AM on 12/03/2008

This whole thing has turned into something similar to addiction. They know the money is there, and they are all going into withdrawal trying to spend the money or get part of the money. If that money was not there, these people would learn to live without it. My grandmother used to say, "That money is burning a hole in their pockets"

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:56 AM on 12/03/2008
- gr8abz I'm a Fan of gr8abz 4 fans permalink

IMO. We must bail out the automakers. Otherwise we could lose up to three million jobs at the worst possible time. That could be a knock out punch to an economy teetering the brink. The risks are far too great.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:29 AM on 12/03/2008
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Automate Banking functions so all business and consumer loans come from government via automated Internet.

This Avoids the Banksters who pay 1% for money and then loan it at 6% to 30% and take hundreds of percent gains, and who have created the $500 Trillion in TOXIC products that are causing this CRISIS.

This would spur the consumer to buy Big 3 Green Cars and get rid of their Bummers to solving the oil dependency and the Global Warming.

Tax each gallon of GAS enough to keep the price at $2.49 per gallon and use that to fund the Auto Bailout and the development of Solar and Wind Energy.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:49 AM on 12/03/2008

In a free country and a free market you have to compete. When consumers turn their back on your product it is not their fault. I know that labor costs, health care, pension funds and unions are a factor. But the bottom line is: the cars suck. I don't think Detroit can guarantee a turnaround. Let the free market mechanisms take care of it. As we say in Germany: You don't throw good money after bad money.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:43 AM on 12/03/2008
- senorlou I'm a Fan of senorlou 101 fans permalink

While I mostly agree with your post, the problem is not only with US manufacturers. Honda dropped 32%. Toyota 37%. What will you do when Mercedes and BMW go bankrupt in a few months? True, the US manufacturers make the worst cars, that's why this is happening to them first. Guess who's next? Go look at the sales stats from the German makes and I'll bet you'll see much of the same. If we lose 3,000,000 car industry jobs, as projected if nothing is done, this will be a full blown depression. Hell, it probably will be anyway. Least we can do is whatever it takes to save some jobs. So maybe your country will be in jeopardy of losing its auto manufacturers, and you can just let millions of fellow citizens lose their jobs, and your country to lose tens of billions annually in tax money. Then, when times get better, you can have a far smaller manufacturing base. Not a good thing, as we see.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:27 AM on 12/03/2008

I just got the latest figures from German magazine "der spiegel" and yes, they expect the German automakers to have a huge drop in turnout next year. Still I don't know. Maybe your are right to save them as it so many jobs. On the other hand what about smaller businesses going down. It's a hard question to answer anyway.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:09 AM on 12/03/2008

If sales of tank tops will "tank" in summer of 2009, are we going to bail out the textile industry for the losses? What if stone washed jeans go out of fashion? Have we been supporting the sail cloth makers who went extinct when they stopped making four mast barks? Do we need to create jobs for menhir manufacturers?

Come one. Just because the consumer abandons an industry you don't put on a show like that. You reorganize and life goes on. And if it doesn't, well, then it was not supposed to be.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:42 PM on 12/03/2008

Cleaning up the Detroit could be an opportunity to actually move these companies in this century and they bring us the cars we need.

No need to kill the heartland, but structure a plan that will force a complete overhaul of the companies. Something like this --

http://pacificgatepost.blogspot.com/2008/11/solution-for-detroit-gm-friends.html

There is much creative talent hidden inside the U.S. Big 3 that has been smothered by mismanagement and the UAW. ... and they actually "make" something, .... unlike Wall Street. Detroit deserves saving.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:23 AM on 12/03/2008
- research I'm a Fan of research 254 fans permalink

rescue the economy!

put those 350B$ into wind and solar for every gov building, for states, for infrastructure.

Then we won't have to bailout anyone.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:08 AM on 12/03/2008
- Dayahka I'm a Fan of Dayahka 32 fans permalink

Times of extreme volatility, as now, are hardly the times to be investing money in declining businesses--or the stock market, for that matter. Volatility means you can't count on anything you plan for, can't make reliable predictions, and cannot know with any probability what the economy or consumers will do. There is a reasonable explanation for giving money to banks, even though you cannot force them to lend--but there is absolutely no reasonable explanation for giving money to failing businesses, none whatsoever. Pelosi and the Democrats are crazy to bail out the car makers; they're even crazier to give money to states. Everyone needs to cut back, cut out, and live within their means--everyone. That's the only way out. If you can't afford it, don't buy it, are you listening California?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:57 AM on 12/03/2008
- marew I'm a Fan of marew 10 fans permalink

I've had three lemon American vehicles: brand new cars, one with a completely rusted out gas tank that stalled repeatedly, one the paint washed off in the rain, on another one a brake was defective and I had to bring it in every 8 weeks for "adjustment" and they refused to replace it, etc. I have no sympathy for or loyalty to US automakers. Loyalty goes both ways. No one thought twice of selling me seriously defective cars or compensating me for the hours spent in dealers waiting rooms.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:53 AM on 12/03/2008
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Fool me three times.....

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:37 AM on 12/03/2008

I think they are up to eleven or twelve, now.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:42 PM on 12/03/2008

Yes, I bought a new Chrysler Crossfire and paid 3500 dollars for the extended warranty. My local Chrysler Dealer (where I bought the car) wiggled out of the repair when something happened to my fuel intake and they would not cover the charges. As a matter of fact, they never did repair that problem, and I have called their main office. LET THEM FILE CHAPTER 11...they have trash for products.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:50 AM on 12/03/2008
- Teritt I'm a Fan of Teritt 9 fans permalink

My 2004 GMC Sierra pickup truck w/110,000 miles is great. It is a very useful utility vehicle, and the 3 minor things (rear gate latch, and a warning msg in the computer, and something else I can't even remember) were all covered under warranty. The 2000 GMC truck before this one never went to the garage for anything, and it also had over 100,000 miles when we traded it in. Not all US cars and trucks are lemons.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:13 AM on 12/03/2008
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