Over 100 Nations Back Cluster Bomb Ban, US And Russia Refuse

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DOUG MELLGREN | December 3, 2008 04:27 PM EST | AP

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Norwegian Minister for Foreign Affairs, Jonas Gahr Stoere, right, welcomes the Afghan cluster bomb survivor Soraj Ghulam Habib, to the dinner in honor of the signing conference on the Convention On Cluster munition at Akershus Castle in Oslo, Wednesday, Dec. 3, 2008. An Afghan teenager who lost both legs in a cluster bomb explosion helped persuade his country to change its stance and join nearly 100 nations in signing a treaty Wednesday banning the disputed weapons. Afghanistan was initially reluctant to join the pact which the United States and Russia have refused to support but agreed to after lobbying by victims maimed by cluster munitions, including 17-year-old Soraj Ghulan Habib. (AP Photo/Heiko Junge, SCANPIX)

OSLO, Norway — An Afghan teenager who lost both legs in a cluster bomb explosion helped persuade his country to change its stance and join nearly 100 nations in signing a treaty Wednesday banning the disputed weapons.

Afghanistan was initially reluctant to join the pact _ which the United States and Russia have refused to support _ but agreed to after lobbying by victims maimed by cluster munitions, including 17-year-old Soraj Ghulan Habib. The teen, who uses a wheelchair, met with his country's ambassador to Norway, Jawed Ludin, at a two-day signing conference in Oslo.

"I explained to the ambassador my situation, and that the people of Afghanistan wanted a ban," Habib, who said he was crippled by a cluster bomb seven years ago, told The Associated Press.

Speaking through an interpreter, Habib said the ambassador called Afghan President Hamid Karzai, who agreed to change his stance on the treaty.

"Today is a historic day," Habib declared.

Afghanistan's reversal even surprised the activists who are urging countries to join the pact against cluster munitions, which have been widely criticized for maiming and killing civilians.

"It is just so huge, to get this turnaround. Afghanistan was under a lot of pressure from the United States," said Thomas Nash, coordinator of The Cluster Bomb Coalition. "If Afghanistan can withstand the pressure, so can others."

Australian activist Daniel Barty said the Afghan ambassador appeared to start changing his mind after meeting Habib at a reception Tuesday.

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The U.S., Russia and other countries refusing to sign the treaty say cluster bombs have legitimate military uses, such as repelling advancing troop columns.

Cluster bomblets are packed by the hundreds into artillery shells, bombs or missiles, which scatter them over vast areas. Some fail to explode immediately. The unexploded bomblets can then lie dormant for years until they are disturbed, often by children attracted by their small size and bright colors.

The group Handicap International says 98 percent of cluster-bomb victims are civilians, and 27 percent are children.

Organizers hoped that more than 100 of the 125 countries represented will have signed by the end of the conference on Thursday. Norwegian Foreign Minister Jonas Gahr Stoere said 92 countries did so on Wednesday.

The treaty must be ratified by 30 countries before it takes effect.

His country, which began the drive to ban cluster bombs 18 months ago, was the first to sign, followed by Laos and Lebanon, both hard-hit by the weapons.

Britain, formerly a major stockpiler of cluster munitions, also signed the treaty, which Foreign Secretary David Miliband said showed that a NATO country can defend itself without cluster weapons.

Miliband said he would urge President-elect Barack Obama's administration to reconsider the U.S. stance.

The Bush administration says a comprehensive ban would hurt world security.

"Although we share the humanitarian concerns of states signing the (accord), we will not be joining them," the U.S. State Department said in a statement. "Such a general ban on cluster munitions will put the lives of our military men and women, and those of our coalition partners, at risk."

In Jerusalem, Israeli Foreign Ministry spokesman Yigal Palmor said his government had decided not to join the treaty, and instead believes the issue of cluster bomb use should be addressed through the U.N. Convention on Conventional Weapons.

The anti-cluster bomb campaign gathered momentum after Israel's monthlong war against Hezbollah in 2006, when it scattered up to 4 million bomblets across Lebanon, according to U.N. figures.

"In southern Lebanon, for more than two years, children and the elderly have been victimized (by cluster munitions)," Lebanese Foreign Minister Fawzi Saloukh said.

Activists hoped the treaty would pressure non-signers into shelving the weapons, as many did with land mines after a 1997 treaty banning them.

"The cluster bomb treaty will save countless lives by stigmatizing a weapon that kills civilians even after the fighting ends," said Steve Goose, arms director of Human Rights Watch.

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Associated Press writer Shawna Ohm in Jerusalem contributed to this report.

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OSLO, Norway — An Afghan teenager who lost both legs in a cluster bomb explosion helped persuade his country to change its stance and join nearly 100 nations in signing a treaty Wednesday bannin...
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I hope I never see any of you speaking of how you support the troops, just not the war! Cluster bombs and minefields are important devices in war, particularly when trying to deny an enemy an avenue of approach or escape, or to channel an enemy into a killing zone. As munitions technology improves, and it does so continually, the problems of old minefields and unexploded munitions are diminishing, but still serve a vital military purpose: to protect OUR forces from defeat and death.
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    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:09 PM on 12/03/2008
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"to protect OUR forces from defeat and death."

This clearly justifies "98 percent of cluster-bomb victims are civilians, and 27 percent are children."

geez.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:50 AM on 12/04/2008

Try to stay awake and pay attention. While many countries in the world have indiscriminately used mines as terror weapons, the U.S. has NEVER done so. As technology improves, cluster bomblets are made that degrade or are disarmed, which actually works against us in a small way. Mines are already degradable or time-disarmed.
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    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:52 PM on 12/04/2008
- wndrwrthg I'm a Fan of wndrwrthg 34 fans permalink
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Considering what a clusterfuck our government is, I am not surprised.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:58 PM on 12/03/2008
- nogimmicks I'm a Fan of nogimmicks 28 fans permalink

Interestingly, U.S., Russia, China and Israel are top four cluster bomb producers according to CNN. Selling indiscriminate mass killing tools is a lucrative business. The citizens of these countries should revolt against their corrupt governments and join the fight against cruel murder abettors.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:14 PM on 12/03/2008
- SuperSam I'm a Fan of SuperSam 6 fans permalink

Izra. el should ban them. People can Google the victims of the last Lebanon War, they turned the Paris of the Middle East into a minefield.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:11 PM on 12/03/2008

Cluster bombs are fantastic weapons against troops and armor. But the problem of unexploded ordnance is real.

Best go full speed ahead at the developement of fuel air explosives which have massive and wide ranging power and don't leave unexploded ordnance to kill civies. Fuel air can do the job of cluster bombs.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:10 PM on 12/03/2008
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Does Napalm ring a bell !?

Oh how fast we get amnesia..

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:44 PM on 12/03/2008
- jrb35 I'm a Fan of jrb35 14 fans permalink

Napalm is not a Fuel Air Explosive. An FAE opens up above a target and deploys a fuel vapor cloud. This cloud is detonated creating a massive shock wave that kills instantly.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:51 PM on 12/03/2008
- piul05 I'm a Fan of piul05 54 fans permalink
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Why do I get the feeling that, for you, we could just equally be talking about a clever little i-pod or gps, without any moral consideration coming into the equation? Oh, yes, must be the use of words such as "fantastic".

Very inapropriate when talking about something that kills and maims indiscriminately so many innocent "civies".

I'm sure your tone would change if one was dropped in the main square of your home town.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:01 PM on 12/03/2008
- zepfan81 I'm a Fan of zepfan81 11 fans permalink

Banning a weapon in war is completely unrealistic. Before WWI there was a ban on the use of poison gas. By the end of the war both sides were using it. Before WWII there was an agreement no cities would be bombed from the air. We all know how that ended. I see the U.S., Russia, and China as avoiding hypocrisy.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:09 PM on 12/03/2008
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"I see the U.S., Russia, and China as avoiding hypocrisy.­"

One could easily argue the these 3 are the hypocrites in this matter.

"One" being me.

War is hell anyway u put it, but how can u compare big scale WorldWars with strategic "small-scale" operations?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:41 PM on 12/03/2008
- zepfan81 I'm a Fan of zepfan81 11 fans permalink

That's my point. If there is ever a war on the scale of those two again we know everyone will use cluster bombs...an­d incendiary bombs..nap­alm...mine­s...flame throwers etc. So why sign a ban you know you may break in the future?

What is the argument of those three being hypocrites?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:49 PM on 12/03/2008
- SuperSam I'm a Fan of SuperSam 6 fans permalink

Why isn't Iz ra. el on the article title?

They bombed the hell out of Lebanon and those bombs they scattered are still doing their job.

no surprise they didnt sign it.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:08 PM on 12/03/2008
- Stilts9 I'm a Fan of Stilts9 42 fans permalink
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Yes, Bush likes to shove firecrackers up frog but, but why does he like to blow the arms off kids?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:55 PM on 12/03/2008
- CharlesJ I'm a Fan of CharlesJ 16 fans permalink
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I agree, cluster bombs should be banned. They are extreemly destructive, especially those unexpended ones that kids find.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:41 PM on 12/03/2008
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"...a general ban on cluster munitions will put the lives of our military men and women, and those of our coalition partners, at risk." - Bush Admin.

How the h.ell does this justify that "..98 percent of cluster-bomb victims are civilians, and 27 percent are children."

Your military men and women are at risk by because you start wars all over the place.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:35 PM on 12/03/2008
- jrb35 I'm a Fan of jrb35 14 fans permalink

98% of cluster bomb victims are civilian? Where do you get your facts? Is that cluster bomb use worldwide (including Israel's unjustifiable use in Beirut) or the US military specifically? We used them to great effect against Iraqi armor and artillery during Gulf War I (1991) and the opening invasion of OIF (2003). Also, sometimes the only way to take out a Taliban mortar position hidden in the mountains is to use Area Denial Munitions (i.e. Cluster Bombs).

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:19 PM on 12/03/2008
- piul05 I'm a Fan of piul05 54 fans permalink
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That's according to Handicap International; I expect they would have a certifiable study on the subject, unlike military official sources who tend to play down civilian casualties.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2008/dec/03/cluster-bomb-treaty-oslo

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:05 PM on 12/03/2008
- britethere I'm a Fan of britethere 15 fans permalink

Oh man ! Yes, Mrs. Clinton voted for war, voted for Kyle Lieberman, and said she could "obliterate Iran"....a­nd they call her a Hawk. What could Obama have been thinking. Shame on you PE.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:21 PM on 12/03/2008
- piul05 I'm a Fan of piul05 54 fans permalink
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Comes January 21st, I'd like to see this treaty to be signed by the new US president.

That, in my mind, is the meaning and purpose of change - the rest, is window dressing.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:20 PM on 12/03/2008
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Typical of this administra­tion...Que­stion is, will Obama's administration with Hawkish cabinet members come to their senses or continue this absurd policy?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:12 PM on 12/03/2008
- springsm I'm a Fan of springsm 52 fans permalink

My gosh, what is wrong with this country...­are we so gd afraid that we have to drop bombs that really main so many children for years? And we won't stop with the land mines either. Why is it that we need to be so much of the killing fields. Come on America...­you are a great country but you are just a country...­others can sign these bans...can­'t we grow up and rise to the occasion. Get Russia and the USA to do it at the same time. I am so sick and tired of the devastation that these toys of war do. I wish that we could do the moral thing and just plain grow up and grew confidence in ourselves as peace makers. I realize it won't happen but I would like it too.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:06 PM on 12/03/2008

As a general rule, we do not drop such bombs without serious forethought. Those bombs are generally intended for enemy convoys, large enemy troop formations, etc. Please don't be fooled by the morons who blame the U.S. for everything. Most injuries in Afghanistan were caused by indiscriminate bombing of large areas by the Russians in the 80's. The U.S. has not done this since the Vietnam War, and even then did so only with the intention of destroying enemy formations. Cluster bombs are not a reliable area-denial weapon, as are mines.
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    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:22 PM on 12/03/2008
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Once again, the United States is one of a handful of countries, including Russia and Isreal that refuses to agree to military weapons and nuclear arms reduction.

The last thing the arms dealers of the United States want is peace.

Get a clue.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:02 PM on 12/03/2008
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