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First Posted: 12- 3-08 03:35 PM   |   Updated: 01- 3-09 05:12 AM

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So, if you've been following the many tin foil hat wearing crack-a-lacks that the election season brought out of the woodwork, with their Whitey tapes and their stern warnings of Vietnam gulag deprogramming, you'd know that one of the more persistent claims made against President-Elect Barack Obama is that he's not an American citizen. Nowadays, you'll hear the yammerings over Obama's birth certificate put in terms of a looming "Constitutional crisis," though, as Unattributable.com aptly states, "there would have to be actual proof that Obama wasn't a natural born US citizen to spark any kind of crisis." It's complete madness -- sour grapes serving as the fuel to rampant paranoid lunacy. But it's also sadly persistent. One fool has appealed a case based solely on "Rumors On The Interwebs" all the way to the Supreme Court, and some other nimrod bought ads in the Chicago Tribune this week.

The Tribune, naturally, forged a response of their own to the matter, and for the most part, it accords Obama the credibility he's entitled to, noting: "Cases challenging Obama's citizenship have been tossed out of courts in several states, and Hawaiian officials have vouched for the authenticity of Obama's birth certificate, which is locked in a state vault. The Obama campaign likewise has always dismissed the accusations." But one sentence later, I caught the Tribune going all mealy-mouthed. Well, at least at first blush:

Nevertheless, some critics remain dubious.

Naturally, my senses snapped at what looked to be a traditional deployment of the tired "some say" device, where straw men become foundational sources to claims that reside squarely within the borders of the Breakaway Republic of Unsubstan(tiated). But when I read the sentence again, I realized that it had actually captured these crackpots perfectly. Indeed! These critics do, in fact, "remain dubious." They are in a constant and ongoing state of pure, unadulterated dubiousness. Well, played, Chicago Tribune! Just remember: sometimes the best satire goes unnoticed.

So, if you've been following the many tin foil hat wearing crack-a-lacks that the election season brought out of the woodwork, with their Whitey tapes and their stern warnings of Vietnam gulag deprogr...
So, if you've been following the many tin foil hat wearing crack-a-lacks that the election season brought out of the woodwork, with their Whitey tapes and their stern warnings of Vietnam gulag deprogr...
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- Cil I'm a Fan of Cil 14 fans permalink

What is really, really CONFUSING ME IS THIS....

If it is AS MOST OF US SEE IT, THAT BARACK IS
IN FACT A TRUE NATURAL BORN AMERICAN,
Why in the name of all LOGIC, ARE THESE
LAWYERS TAKING THESE CASES TO THE
COURTS?

MAYBE, EVEN THOUGH THEY KNOW THAT
THEIR CASE WILL COME TO NAUGHT THEY
WILL BE ABLE TO COLLECT THEIR FEE?
Really this is QUITE TROUBLING!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:01 PM on 12/04/2008
- kcnativnla I'm a Fan of kcnativnla 2 fans permalink
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Funny, it seems that our friends at "Free Republic" don't allow dissenting opinions that may cloud their rants with inconvenient facts. I've been waiting for my comment to appear for two days, and I notice not very many other dissenting opinions have made it to the pages. Now, that means either EVERYBODY who is on the Free Republic site thinks likewise, or there's a little non-free republican censorship going on.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:07 PM on 12/04/2008
- kcnativnla I'm a Fan of kcnativnla 2 fans permalink
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Oh...just found out my account was suspended. The only thing I wrote was the section of the CONSTITUTION that describes what a natural citizen is, and the qualifications to run for president.

I guess truth hurts.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:12 PM on 12/04/2008

Ok. Continue to waste your scarce funds to show why we should never again allow those that believe in your ideology to occupy the White House again.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:41 PM on 12/04/2008
- AprilPA I'm a Fan of AprilPA 12 fans permalink
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Keep these lies about Obama up, GOP. Your behavior towards Obama and the Dems is the reason why the Dems will occupy the White House and hold majorities at Congress for at least the next two decades.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:25 PM on 12/04/2008
- Marie62866 I'm a Fan of Marie62866 20 fans permalink

According to the Constitution if something happens to the President Elect prior to Inaguration the VP Elect becomes president! All the woman at work hypothecitally asked if McCain won after being elected and he died would Palin be president? The thought of Palin being president changed many people to be Obama supporters! This is a stupid lawsuit and I hope this is not costing the American tax payer any money! I am soooooooo excited to have the first Hawaiin run our country! Surf's up Baby!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:06 AM on 12/04/2008

His mother, being American, could have borne him in Saudi Arabia to an Arab father--even Osama Bin Laden, and HE WOULD STILL BE AN AMERICAN CITIZEN!

When did the conservatives give in so much to the wingnuts on the religious right that we actually have to hear about their wackjob delusions as if they have some relationship to reality?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:03 AM on 12/04/2008
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Because the wingers think that if he was really an American he'd be lily-white with a 2 lb cross around his neck. Pity them. They're going to be confused and foolish looking for a very long time, perhaps the rest of their lives if things work out right.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:34 AM on 12/04/2008
- MyAudacity I'm a Fan of MyAudacity 18 fans permalink
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PER CASTLEBERRY: His mother, being American, could have borne him in Saudi Arabia to an Arab father--even Osama Bin Laden, and HE WOULD STILL BE AN AMERICAN CITIZEN!

The above scenario would make him ineligible to be POTUS. Being an American Citizen is not enough, you have to be born on American soil, or under American Territory.


Actually, it's amazing to me that these people have such a problem with Obama's birth.....when McCain's is one who was reasonably questioned and resolved. Amazing they could accept that, but are angry because President Obama's situation does not align with their warped ideas.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:23 PM on 12/04/2008

McCain looks like them... Obama does not... simple as that. And um... a person does not have to be born on American soil or territory...for example if a military family in Germany has a child and they are born in the German hospital, they would still be considered a natural born US citizen once the correct paperwork is filled out with the emabassy.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:46 PM on 12/04/2008
- Cil I'm a Fan of Cil 14 fans permalink

If that is the case, we should be soon GETTING A BARAGE
OF COURT CASES AGAINST JOHN McCAIN, claiming that
he is NOT AN AMERICAN, as HE WAS BORN IN PANAMA
BEFORE PANAMA WAS RECOGNIZED AS PART OF THE US.

If I am not mistaken the only reason that JOHN McCAIN
GOT PAST THIS "FACT" was because of HIS SERVICE IN
THE MILLITARY! The COURTS FELT THAT YOU COULD
NOT EXCLUDE SOMEONE WHO HAD SERVED "THEIR
COUNTRY" FROM BECOMING PRESIDENT OF THE U.S.A

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:53 PM on 12/04/2008
- KarateKid I'm a Fan of KarateKid 403 fans permalink
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What a non issue. Hawaii attained statehood two years before PE Obama was born. Even those born prior to statehood were given citizenship. And where McCain was born is equally irrelevant. The law allows children of two nationalities dual citizenship until that person turns 18. My kids fall into that category since their mother is a Japanese citizen. Donofrio and Berg are two particularly narrow minded Republican cretins, and wasting their time, but it's their money. The Supreme Court won't hear the case; think of the riots that would ensue if they tried anything. This is silliness and sour grapes; another example of how low Republicans will stoop to.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:49 AM on 12/04/2008
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I think Berg is a Democrat -- was for Clinton, during the primary.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:10 AM on 12/04/2008
- StillIRise I'm a Fan of StillIRise 588 fans permalink
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I think Berg is a white man whose fear of a black man as President overshadows his party affiliation, whether Democrat or Republican. There are as many Democratic racists as there are Republican racists! Racism is party-neutral.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:30 PM on 12/04/2008
- taddles I'm a Fan of taddles 29 fans permalink

Their point is that the requirements for the office of President require that he/she be "natural born citizen" which means he/she was born in the US.

There is no question that Obama is a US citizen, his mother was/is a US citizen so therefore he is by default a US citizen. The nutjob contention is that he was not born in Hawaii but somewhere else and that his birth certificate was either fabricated or it said Hawaii because that's where they filed for it. However, there is no evidence that Obama's mother was anywhere other than in Hawaii at the time of his birth and there is no evidence that his birth certificate is anything but the original. There is evidence other than his birth certificate that he was in fact born in Hawaii, namely the birth announcement in the Honolulu newspaper. At the time of his birth, Hawaii was a US state so unless someone can prove that he was not born there, he is in fact a natural born US citizen and our next President (just like to hear that so I had to add it.)

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:54 AM on 12/04/2008

You should probably familiarize yourself with the definition of the term "natural born" citizen. His mother being a US citizen living in the US bestows the status natural born on Obama no matter where he was born.

Knowledge is a beautiful thing.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:26 PM on 12/04/2008
- Aabby I'm a Fan of Aabby 30 fans permalink
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Did they scrutinize in this manner the birth certificates of the last 43 Presidents? No? In this case, this smear is racially motivated. Sore losers….No matter what you do, the black guy is still YOUR President!!! Take that!!!!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:49 AM on 12/04/2008
- MilesTone I'm a Fan of MilesTone 3 fans permalink

What if he isn't? DOES IT MATTER AT THIS POINT? Who would they replace him with? Incompetent McCain?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:25 AM on 12/04/2008
- IkeChicago I'm a Fan of IkeChicago 18 fans permalink

Not McCain, these toothless Republicans want Sarah Palin, a woman that could hardly spell her name.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:27 AM on 12/04/2008
- ldavis24 I'm a Fan of ldavis24 7 fans permalink

Mccain wouldn't get it anyway. It would go to Biden although I don't think crazy right wingers think that far ahead.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:40 AM on 12/04/2008
- MyAudacity I'm a Fan of MyAudacity 18 fans permalink
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MILESSTONE: What if he isn't?

I understand your question, but if I may take that question and apply it to our constitutional law. What if instead of a person being presumed innocent until proven guilty....instead was considred guilty until proven innocent. In fact, that is the situation which is occuring in this situation. They are saying President Obama does not have the Consititional Right to hold the office of POTUS, and then want to compel him to provide proof they they are correct.

If anyone or either of those who are challenging him have law degree's then they should be disbarred.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:29 PM on 12/04/2008
- NealHib I'm a Fan of NealHib 8 fans permalink

Let em keep up the argument. Nothing makes the idiots look so extreme than this stupid argument.
Momma always said "Ain't no fool, like a republican fool."

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:54 AM on 12/04/2008
- Aabby I'm a Fan of Aabby 30 fans permalink
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Moma is wise. very wise.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:51 AM on 12/04/2008
- Totto I'm a Fan of Totto 43 fans permalink

I "remain dubious" about George W. Bush's DUI arrest record and his Air National Guard service.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:51 AM on 12/04/2008

Actually, I think this phenomenon can be used as an educational tool. See, if you study philosophy, law, or science, you know that there is no such thing as "proof" - there is only evidence. These people are living that principle - they want proof, and all they get is evidence :)

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:29 AM on 12/04/2008
- NealHib I'm a Fan of NealHib 8 fans permalink

Proof is for liquor, and they apparently have enough.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:58 AM on 12/04/2008
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Very good.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:56 AM on 12/04/2008
- sean6886 I'm a Fan of sean6886 14 fans permalink
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Yeah, 'cause I'm sure the government didn't check into this when he filed/registered with the government to run for the office of the President.

What's this I hear about no frivolous lawsuits? Seems the GOPouters forgot about that!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:22 AM on 12/04/2008
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They need to get over it.Obama was born in the USA and was elected President by the people of the USA.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:02 AM on 12/04/2008

This smear has gotten WAY out of line. WHY are they are still trying to smear him?! I am outraged at the ludicrous stupidity of these BIG idiOTS. We KNOW why they are doing this - to raise doubts and keep saying it over and over until people believe this garbage. If Obama had any "normal" name and he had white looking skin this wouldn't be an issue.

What a shame!

He was born in Hawaii - USA! ANY child born in America is AMERICAN regardless of who his parents are and ANY child born to an AMERICAN citizen is AMERICAN if they report the birth to a US consulate! His mother had him in HAWAII and his mother is AMERICAN. Barack Obama is AMERICAN. IDIOTS - just plain and simple IDIOTS.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:56 AM on 12/04/2008
- IkeChicago I'm a Fan of IkeChicago 18 fans permalink

These must be people who are real secure in their jobs and have good one too, otherwise that are real idiots. Most of us have lost our 401k and are struggling to take care of our families and whether we are Republicans or Democrats, we should be pulling for this president to succeed.

The country is about to sink into a depression and these nut-case Republicans are doing their best to get us there and fast.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:01 AM on 12/04/2008
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