UAW Will Renegotiate Terms, Modify Jobs Bank

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KIMBERLY S. JOHNSON | December 3, 2008 05:17 PM EST | AP

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Amy Vollmar, 43, from Bowling Green, Ohio, a worker for Chrysler for the past 24 years, listens during a Chrysler rally at the Jeep plant in Toledo, Ohio, Wednesday, Dec. 3, 2008. (AP Photo/Madalyn Ruggiero)

DETROIT — The United Auto Workers said Wednesday it is willing to change its contracts with U.S. automakers and accept delayed payments of billions of dollars to a union-run health care trust to do its part to help the struggling companies secure $34 billion in government loans.

United Auto Workers President Ron Gettelfinger said the union will suspend the jobs bank, in which laid-off workers are paid up to 95 percent of their salaries while not working, but he did not give specifics or a timetable of when the program will end.

"We're going to sit down and work out the mechanics," Gettelfinger said at a news conference after meeting with local union officials. "We're a little unclear on some of the issues."

Members of Congress criticized the automakers last month for paying workers who are not on the job. About 3,500 auto workers across the three companies are currently in jobs bank programs.

One local union member who was in the meeting said the changes to the jobs bank would nearly eliminate the program. The member asked not to be identified because the details had not been made public.

Gettelfinger stopped short of saying the union would reopen contract talks with General Motors Corp., Chrysler LLC and Ford Motor Co. but said it would be willing to return to the bargaining table to change some terms.

Talks with GM will begin immediately, but additional bargaining officials must be elected for Ford and Chrysler, Gettelfinger said, and any modifications would still have to be ratified by local union members.

He also said the union will run a television ad in Maine, Kentucky, Indiana and Minnesota to put the faces of union workers on the controversy over the loans, and explain how the auto industry differs from the banking industry. The ads presumably are designed to pressure Congressional opponents of the loans.

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"There's a perception problem," Gettelfinger said, stressing that the automakers' woes have painted a negative view of the union. "Yes, we have lost some clout."

Delaying the health care trust payments will help the companies survive their cash shortages, which they say were brought on by the severe economic downturn and the worst U.S. sales climate in more than a quarter century.

GM had been scheduled to pay more than $7.5 billion early next year to the union-administered fund which will take over retiree health care payments on Jan. 1, 2010. Ford owes $6.3 billion to its trust fund at the end of this year. Chrysler figures were unavailable.

The delay will have to be approved by federal courts, which already have blessed the trusts' formation.

All three companies agreed to fund the trusts, called voluntary employee beneficiary associations or VEBAs, as part of the landmark 2007 contract reached with the UAW. By doing so they move billions in liabilities off their books.

When they go into effect, the trusts will pay health care bills for about 800,000 UAW retirees, spouses and dependents at the three companies. GM expects to save about $3 billion a year when the expenses are moved, while Ford says it will save $1 billion.

The CEOs of all three automakers are heading to Washington for more hearings Thursday and Friday on their loan requests after an abysmal showing before lawmakers last month. Gettelfinger will also attend.

Congressional leaders demanded business plans from all three that include a reduction in labor costs so Detroit is more competitive with foreign automakers with U.S. factories. The companies submitted their plans to Congress on Tuesday.

"I don't think Congress is out for blood," Gettelfinger said of the criticism the union received during his previous testimony last month. "There will be more pressure on us to do this. We're going to step up and do it."

That sentiment was echoed by several union representatives at the news conference.

"Everybody has to give a little bit," said Rich Bennett, an official for Local 122 in Twinsburg, Ohio, representing Chrysler workers. "We've made concessions. We really feel we're doing our part."

But a retired GM worker said the union might be acting hastily out of fear that one of the automakers could shut down.

"Fear is a bad basis on which to make decisions," said Frank Hammer, of Local 909 in Warren, Mich. "I think they're making another mistake."

Members at Local 122 are fearful of losing their jobs, said Bennett's associate, Ken Walters. They're seeing nearby plants shut down on regular basis.

General Holliefield, the UAW vice president representing Chrysler workers, said union members "historically do the right thing" in terms of making concessions during tough times, although the moves outlined Wednesday came to fruition following last month's congressional thrashing.

"Washington didn't ask us for concessions," he said. "It wasn't anything we were thinking about."

The president of Chrysler said the UAW's willingness to change the union's contract is a good step.

Chrysler LLC President Tom LaSorda said during a Toledo rally for the industry on Wednesday that both sides need to go back and review the entire framework of the contract. He said if the union would surrender job security protections it would help the Detroit Three in the long run.

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AP Auto Writer Tom Krisher contributed to this report.

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“AUTO RETIREE HEALTH CARE IS THE SACRIFICIAL LEGACY COST AND THEREFORE RETIREES ARE THE PROBLEM! LET THEM DIE AND DECREASE THE SURPLUS POPULATION!”

All defenseless auto retirees, both hourly and salary are being treated as underclass. They are targeted, have been sold-out by government, corporate and union politicians and are being used as political pawns.
UAW negotiated 30-year auto pensions are overwhelmingly and unjustly unequal. UAW negotiators refused to keep pension buying power up over the years allowing older retirees pensions to fall seriously further and further behind. These older UAW retirees have become America’s elderly poor.
These unappreciated low-income, sacrificial “legacy-cost retirees”, who have given so much to our nation, are tapped-out with living costs.
After a career of struggling on assembly lines, being denied the innovative pension building tools available to today’s retirees and being exposed to physical hazards unique to past auto assembly these betrayed older retirees cannot afford to buy healthcare, which they now desperately need.

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    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:55 AM on 12/21/2008

Lets do some math. Lets assume the upper managment of GM is making $100M too much and they give it back. GM produces roughtly 3M cars a year. Therefore, this will reduce the cost of a GM car by $33. On the other hand, it has been calculated that the Big 3 has a built in labor cost disadvantage of $1500 per car as compared to Honda or Toyota for many legacy reasons. Focusing on the pay of upper management will not fix anything but we can question whether upper managment is competent or not.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:17 PM on 12/04/2008
- Viper I'm a Fan of Viper 276 fans permalink

Middle class is defined as between 40K and 120K ( or 5 Million if you are McCain). The Average UAW auto worker is in his 50s and has wages of 56K. At the low end of the middleclass.

Here we go again, the attack on the middleclass and the race to the bottom, and transfer of wealth to the top..


I think in our efforts to make America more competative we should all agree to take a cut in pay like auto workers. Most people asking auto workers to do that.. will not do it!



Regards

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:07 AM on 12/04/2008
- nomoredead I'm a Fan of nomoredead 12 fans permalink

With the current budget crisis in the US government maybe it's time for congress to take some concession­s...I don't think they would mind having their salaries reduced and some benefits taken away. Maybe some of the other industries that are hurting here in the US should consider lowering the pay of all their workers. These posters here that are all for lowering the UAW workers pay should feel good about having their pay decreased. C'mon we all have to help our country.

A proud Union member.
Full medical
Dental
Eye
Drug
Great pension.
Yearly raise.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:46 AM on 12/04/2008
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Unions are examples of how socialsim ultimately destroys the system that feeds it.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:46 AM on 12/04/2008
- Pharos I'm a Fan of Pharos 9 fans permalink

Why is the union so quick to make concessions? Someone said it's not the 1900s anymore. Well one reason is because of the unions. Do we need to go backwards to remember why we are no longer in the 1900s?

24, 34, even 54 billion is chicken feed compared to the Wall Street bailout. Why outrage only when unions are involved. .and the rich get richer, and the rich get richer , .. and the poor get? a) poorer, b) richer

But don't worry, we have progressives in power now, don't we?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:01 AM on 12/04/2008
- schatsie I'm a Fan of schatsie 80 fans permalink

And those foolish CEOs are spending their time driving to DC instead of flying business class... what is the sense in that besides the PR...

ALWAYS remember that when they were cutting Pilots Salaries at American Airlines, they were not cutting their MILLION DOLLAR A YEAR PENSIONS..­. THE MSM never covered this at all.......

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:14 AM on 12/04/2008
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Disassemble all unions. They are worthless. It isn't the early 1900's any more. If your so slow you require a union to keep your job, invest in bettering yourself. Union is a false sense of security that makes you weak, don't be weak, be strong. Or go get a government job.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:58 PM on 12/03/2008
- Myshkin57 I'm a Fan of Myshkin57 16 fans permalink

You really don't understand the purpose of the unions.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:38 AM on 12/04/2008
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Not in this day and age, no. Somehow other auto companies have done fine without them. Getting 95% pay after being laid off is no way for a capitalist company to run a business. If that was a perk at my company, the company wouldn't exist today either, in my opinion. Survival of the fittest baby!!! The union has morphed into a crutch for the workers, a crutch allows you to heal, but if you use it too long, it makes you weak. Be strong.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:18 PM on 12/04/2008

Who cares? You are history, people. Go home, have a drink and think about how you are going to live of unemployment.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:56 PM on 12/03/2008

Folks don't be hoodwinked, by this BS propaganda. If the big three really needed the money they would have gone to congress along time ago. GM just spent over half billion dollars building a new
facility over in Russia. The three pimps from Motown, blowing smoke up the a***s of the whores in Washington. Selling that BS of working for a one dollar a year to get a loan. If you folks are stupid enough too believe that BS then all of us will be F***ked !
Bernie

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:51 PM on 12/03/2008
- marijam I'm a Fan of marijam 38 fans permalink
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Pure and simple. The auto workers in the South who work for foreign name companies and who get lower wages are jealous and don't want nobody making more money for doing the same kind of work than they make.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:30 PM on 12/03/2008

Look, the execs have made millions EACh for 'driving' the auto companies into a deep hole.
So the first thing they do is claim the UAW workers are getting paid too much.

I just watched CBS claim again that UAW workers are paid $70/hr.
While the AVERAGE wage for a long term UAW employee is $28/hr and the Japanese plants pay average $24/hr.
New hires only make $14/hr.

And let me clarify that making a $20-$30 thousand dollar car or truck is not the same job as making a widget on an assemblyline for $8/hr. .. or picking cucumbers for $7/hr under the table.

When Congress, and society decides to require overpaid pompous buffoon Executives to limit ALL pay and perks and all compensation to a max of the US President's pay, then i'll agree that cutting Middle class worker earning $28/hr (=$56,000/yr not including OT) makes sense or is fair in any way shape or form.

The continual rise in Upper incomes, and the social propagandizing pressure on people to accept getting rid of middle class paychecks is absolutely insane and the COMPLETE DOWNFALL of our country.

75% of GDP is based on Consumer spending. And the Top incomes dont spend enough to make up for cutting pay for 85 million households nationwide.
Currently 85 million US households make less than $75k/yr. Only 24% of US workers have a Bachelors degree or higher.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:06 PM on 12/03/2008
- Myshkin57 I'm a Fan of Myshkin57 16 fans permalink

Yeah... they do math using numbers that are irrelevant to what they're claiming to figure to get that $70/ hr.

What they do is add hourly wages plus benefits (that much is fine) and then they add all the retirement benefits they're currently paying out and then divide it by the number of people currently working for them.

The foreign auto companies have much lower numbers when figured that way because they haven't been manufacturing in the U.S. long enough to have many retirees.

The big 3 have just been playing a shell game and they fooled the media and a lot of the public.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:42 AM on 12/04/2008

I am now retired, but I live in the same 1500 square foot ranch I have lived in for the last 28 years. My husband and I each have a car, and we have a boat. Does that sound like I made $70 per hour?

I am scared to death my pension is going to be sent to the PBGC where I will lose much of my benefits. My retirement check is $2500 a month. I retired in June. I have problems in my shoulders, my wrists, my hips, my back, and my knees. Otherwise, I would not have retired after 31+ years.

I help my mother and father. I help my children. Now I am afraid I am not even going to be able to provide for myself.

Now I am going to use money I don't have, to go to Washington, D.C. in an auto worker caravan to try with all my might to get the truth out there. It is mostly us retirees who are going. We are advertising, but we will most likely be a small group.

Yes, the Big Three have legacy costs. That is the only difference. Why do people think we must go backwards in time? It was the Unions that fought for healthcare, that fought for pensions that many of others would not have now if not FOR the Unions setting the standard. Can no one see what the corporations are trying to do to every American job?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:14 AM on 12/04/2008
- dandypuddin I'm a Fan of dandypuddin 181 fans permalink
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UAW, don't be so quick to jump through the hoop. They are out to use the bailout to bust the unions. Let mgmt squirm and pay for once.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:55 PM on 12/03/2008
- billw8017 I'm a Fan of billw8017 37 fans permalink

Elsewhen I have made a big rant about how printing money causes inflation but inflation can be regarded as a tax provided it is directed to be shared by all, and, giving ordinary people the power to protect themselves is necessary or the money will drift upward, interface between extravagant riches and ordinary poverty in financial markets supported by the government printing, but not sustainable on their own. More simply, we should support the UAW as a factor in defense of the worker's share.

Currently, we may be on the verge of a deflation. This has to do with the fact that 97% of the nation's money is bank made through lending and the banks aren't lending. Now, printing money makes it available for ordinary purposes and by easing the satisfaction of demand, increases demand and supports productivity. The inflation comes with the recovery, the anticipation thereof particularly justifies raising the minimum wage and supporting worker organizations like the UAW because it should be a tremendous inflation. Keeping it balanced will dry excess value from the money and lead to a more stable economy.

All right. I love to hear myself talk, but I'm serious about this. I think it is mainstream economic theory, and it matters to bear it in mind.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:39 PM on 12/03/2008

if the big three go chapt. 11, the contracts become void, and can be renegoiated. not looking good for the unions either way.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:19 PM on 12/03/2008

I have a feeling that the big 3 are going to bust the union. Just a feeling.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:09 PM on 12/03/2008

Of course they are-that's why all these repubs are against it.Shelby(­r) has a couple of Toyota or Honda plants in his home state.-he doesn't want to waste taxpayer money-but Alabama gets federal money-not to grow cotton. Not to mention the people who think all Americans should make Chinese wages. Well, they are going to get their wish.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:19 PM on 12/03/2008
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Toyota and Honda are also in Ohio, Indiana and WV
purple state

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:56 PM on 12/03/2008
- BuckeyeGal I'm a Fan of BuckeyeGal 4 fans permalink
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Not just the Big 3 CEOs. It's those Congress people usually with the R in front of their names, who are greasing the skids.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:52 PM on 12/03/2008
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