US, China Headed For Possible Clash Over Currency

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JOE McDONALD | December 3, 2008 11:38 PM EST | AP

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A shop clerk counts money at a shop Wednesday, Dec. 3, 2008, in Shanghai China. A recent decline in the Chinese currency's value against the U.S. dollar after months of hovering in a narrow range is threatening to bring the long-simmering issue to full boil as U.S.-China economic talks get under way in Beijing. (AP Photo)

BEIJING — China's chief trade envoy urged Washington on Thursday to stabilize its economy and protect Beijing's U.S. investments as the two sides opened economic talks overshadowed by the global financial crisis and tensions over currency.

"We hope the U.S. side will take the necessary measures to stabilize the economy and financial markets, as well as to guarantee the safety of China's assets and investments in the United States," Vice Premier Wang Qishan told U.S. Treasury Secretary Henry Paulson and other U.S. officials at the Strategic Economic Dialogue.

Wang did not elaborate. But Beijing is a major owner of U.S. Treasury debt that finances Washington's budget deficit, and the dollar's recent weakness and U.S. financial turmoil have fueled Chinese anxiety about the safety of such holdings.

The twice-a-year dialogue, launched in 2006, is meant to address the long-term growth of U.S.-Chinese economic ties. But this round also is due to touch on how to manage macroeconomic risk and Paulson is expected to press Beijing to let its currency, the yuan, rise to ease trade tensions. Still, no breakthroughs were expected in the most sensitive areas such as trade.

American companies contend the yuan is kept undervalued, giving China's exporters an unfair advantage and adding to its trade surplus. Some American lawmakers want to punish Beijing if it fails to act faster on easing exchange-rate controls.

The yuan has risen 20 percent since Beijing cut its peg to the dollar in July 2005. But it has fallen this week in government-controlled trading _ including a nearly 1 percent decline Monday, its biggest one-day drop in three years _ in what analysts suggested was a message from Beijing to go easy on the issue.

The yuan's recent drop might have been meant as a warning to President-elect Barack Obama, that talks will be more effective than confrontation, said Frank F.X. Gong, chief Asia economist for JPMorgan Securities Ltd.

Obama has yet to say whether he will continue the dialogue. Some analysts have speculated that Obama and the U.S. Congress will take a harder line on China.

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"The signal China sent on Monday is: We also have our own political problems and issues in a slowing economic environment," JP Morgan's Gong said in a note to clients.

Standard Chartered Bank said Thursday it expects Beijing to keep the currency steady or let it fall slightly against the dollar in early 2009 to mollify Chinese exporters, who have been hit by weakening global demand.

Paulson said he hopes to reach agreement on cooperation in energy, environmental protection and other areas at the two-day talks at a government guesthouse. But neither he nor Wang mentioned the currency dispute in their opening remarks.

"Our meetings this week will focus on the building blocks for an enduring U.S.-China economic partnership," Paulson said. The meeting is his last as envoy to the talks as part of outgoing Bush administration.

Both economies are struggling _ the United States with a recession and China with a sharp slowdown in growth. How well they can maintain one of the world's biggest trading relationships is of global importance.

The chairman of China's sovereign wealth fund said Wednesday in Hong Kong that the fund is reluctant to invest more in foreign banks until governments work out coherent policies to cope with global turmoil. The official, Lou Jiwei, said governments around the world seemed to be changing policies every week.

China has said its biggest contribution to world stability will be to keep its own economy growing strongly. Beijing has launched a 4 trillion yuan ($586 billion) stimulus package meant to revive slowing growth through heavy spending on construction and other projects.

China's economic growth is expected to slow this year to about 9 percent, down from last year's 11.9 percent. Communist leaders worry about rising job losses, especially in export industries, and the possibility of unrest.

Paulson's delegation includes the U.S. secretaries of agriculture, labor and health, the U.S. trade representative, officials of the Treasury and Commerce departments, and others.

BEIJING — China's chief trade envoy urged Washington on Thursday to stabilize its economy and protect Beijing's U.S. investments as the two sides opened economic talks overshadowed by the global...
BEIJING — China's chief trade envoy urged Washington on Thursday to stabilize its economy and protect Beijing's U.S. investments as the two sides opened economic talks overshadowed by the global...
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- harriscrl3 I'm a Fan of harriscrl3 191 fans permalink

Maybe someone should demand China stop their unfair trade practices and stealing property rights. Unfortunately we have ineffective leaders. They dont have the guts to stand up to China

Carol

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:59 AM on 12/05/2008

Stupid question # 1: What happens when China goes broke -- except for a few hundreds of billions of Sovereign Wealth investments in America? Will they continue to let US decide when and how to pay it off, or will they call the loans due???

Stupid question # 2: What will happen to our vaunted, so-called economy, then???

Stupid question # 3: Why did we let ourselves get into this position???

Answer to # 3: Oh yeah, we trusted the GOP and its Corporatist overlords to know best and do the right thing. We deserve it, for being too stupid to live...

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:57 PM on 12/04/2008

I think part Bernankes actions are an effort to 'disarm' foreign holders of US currency.
I explain it here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x068PoZUT6U
The huge amount of debt makes it possible to have a deflationary depresion, but
at some point the dollar will become meaningless.
To get started again we need to forget about the dollar and the banks, and just start trusting and trading within the chain of production.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:38 PM on 12/04/2008
- Sundialsvc4 I'm a Fan of Sundialsvc4 139 fans permalink

Facts is facts: the United States Government quite-openly sought to swindle the world. When you print more than $1 million a minute, around the clock ... and then dwarf ALL of that by "conjuring up" $4 Trillion in just one weekend ...

... you're swindling.

China's diplomats have a remarkable command of the art of using quiet language. (But they also wrote "The Art of War.") They've been defrauded, and they know it, and just about every other nation on this planet knows it, too.

What to do?

(1) Punish the lawbreakers "most severely." Impeachment is not "off the table," and if you are no longer in office you can still be arrested. The clemency that one crook may grant to another is null-and-void.

(2) Remember that it all comes down to trade. Which means, "things." And, "the place(s) where you produce those things" really DOES matter. So... we've got to resume building things HERE. We've got to have genuine economic activity HERE.

(3) If the Chinese (et al) are serious about helping to settle "all those debts," first they must recognize that there's a lot of "currency" floating around that does not exist. A large amount of "debt" is going to have to be written off. The rest of it... well, start investing in the re-establishment of domestic production capacity WITHIN AMERICA. The lines of trade can and will remain open, but they cannot be "everything's Over There."

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:36 AM on 12/04/2008

i think green jobs are a good start for us. We have lost manufacturing jobs to China but our capacity for innovation can help us re coup those losses.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:54 PM on 12/04/2008
- Egalitare I'm a Fan of Egalitare 6 fans permalink
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Chinese rep: Jump!

Paulson: How high?

See? Not really a clash.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:05 AM on 12/04/2008
- Ron1951 I'm a Fan of Ron1951 9 fans permalink
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Paulson has already proved his communications skills and negotiating skills with the congress. The Chinese negotiators are far too experienced for him and are smart enough to wait to negotiate with the Obama administration as part of a well thought out Treasury/C­ommerce/St­ate Department approach. They would be foolish to act otherwise, and they have shown us time after time that they are not stupid.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:46 AM on 12/04/2008

While the American people are worrying about, how to stop gay people from getting married, China is looking for the opportunity take over our country.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:34 AM on 12/04/2008

China was historically never interested in other people's countries. They want a much bigger price: your future. And you are handing it to them on a golden platter.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:21 AM on 12/04/2008

I not sure if free trade is a good idea, because I don't think the American people benefit from it.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:29 AM on 12/04/2008

Sure you do. You couldn't afford any of the junk you like to buy at the mall without free trade.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:22 AM on 12/04/2008

Good luck China getting blood from a turnip. The chinese never learned the value of balanced trade and think the game can continue forever. American economists are lost causes.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:22 AM on 12/04/2008

May I remind you that the Chinese are historically drawing blood through thousand cuts and not by squeezing?

:-)

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:17 AM on 12/04/2008
- djgonebad I'm a Fan of djgonebad 8 fans permalink
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China can swallow us any time they want. Using TIME & GOLD as their tools , they'll wait and let us sink DEEPER in debt, while they watch the clockwork and the dollar drop. Eventually, our dollar worth becomes a penny and THEY'LL OWN US!!!

Nov. 14 (Bloomberg) -- China- "The second-biggest overseas holder of U.S. Treasuries, should increase its bullion holding to diversify its reserves because the dollar may decline, the country's gold association said."

http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601087&sid=aO8E.6_D2tVo&refer=home

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:15 AM on 12/04/2008

The Chinese government should worry more about how God views their persecution of his church.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:12 AM on 12/04/2008
- vedder110 I'm a Fan of vedder110 7 fans permalink
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The many Christians in the US should also start worrying about how they've perverted the teachings of Jesus, a radical pacifist.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:41 AM on 12/04/2008

Most Chinese know that there is no God. That's quite an advantage over ignorant Christians.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:19 AM on 12/04/2008

Perhaps they are more Buddhist in their thought, knowing that ''God'' is the Supreme Law of Cause and Effect,

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:03 AM on 12/04/2008

This arguement is another very good lens to see just how compromised our morals and standards have become already. The sticking point in our relationship is cash, that is just cliche. As well as blind to so many of the human rights issues in China as well as our treatment of China (meaning how our policies affect the Chinese people personally). Maybe China is winning us over to their way of governance?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:53 PM on 12/03/2008
- Plank I'm a Fan of Plank 5 fans permalink

We've got no leverage with China. It's quite the opposite. The swift bailout of AIG is the result of Chinese pressure. Who do you think is financing our debt?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:40 PM on 12/03/2008
- vedder110 I'm a Fan of vedder110 7 fans permalink
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Now the US opens his eyelids after his epic bout of inflationary monetary policy and deficit spending since 1971 and senses a hangover. Does he keep on drinking (probably) or does he take a long hard look at himself and reform (not likely)? Will China his loan shark keep funding his gambling habits (not likely) or break his knees (probably)?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:22 PM on 12/03/2008
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