Carmakers' bailout pleas hit Senate skepticism

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JULIE HIRSCHFELD DAVIS | December 4, 2008 11:27 PM EST | AP

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Auto executives, from left, General Motors Chief Executive Officer Richard Wagoner, UAW President Ron Gettelfinger, Ford Chief Executive Officer Alan Mulally, and Chrysler Chief Executive Officer Robert Nardelli testify on Capitol Hill in Washington, Thursday, Dec. 4, 2008, before a Senate Banking Committee hearing on the auto industry bailout. (AP Photo/Gerald Herbert)

WASHINGTON — Desperate U.S. automakers ran into fresh obstacles from skeptical lawmakers Thursday as they appealed with rising urgency _ and a new dose of humility _ for a $34 billion bailout. Without help, said one senator, "we're looking at a death sentence."

With lawmakers in both parties pressing the automakers to consider a pre-negotiated bankruptcy _ something they have consistently shunned _ the Big Three were contemplating a government-run restructuring that could yield results similar to bankruptcy, including massive downsizing, in return for the bailout billions. But there was no assurance they could get even that.

And that wasn't all the unwelcome news. Congressional officials said one leading proposal _ to tap an already approved fund set aside for making cars environmentally efficient _ wouldn't give the carmakers nearly as much money as they say they need.

The auto executives pleaded with lawmakers at a contentious Capitol Hill hearing _ their second round in less than a month _ for emergency aid before year's end. But with time running out on the current Congress, skepticism about the bailout appeared to be as strong as ever.

"In all due respect, folks, I don't think there's faith that the next ... three months will work out, given the past history," said Sen. Charles E. Schumer, D-N.Y.

"No thinking person thinks that all three companies can survive," said Republican Sen. Bob Corker of Tennessee.

Chris Dodd, chairman of the Banking Committee, was the senator who spoke of a death sentence _ though he also said, "We're not going to leave town without trying" to help.

The auto executives are to make their case at a House hearing on Friday, and Congress could take up rescue legislation next week in an emergency session.

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But Democratic congressional leaders were leaning on the White House to act on its own. House Speaker Nancy Pelosi, D-Calif., and Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid, D-Nev., wrote to President George W. Bush on Thursday asking him, as they have repeatedly, to use the $700 billion Wall Street rescue fund to help the auto makers _ something the administration has consistently refused to do. They argued that such a course was justified because of the potential for grave harm to the financial sector in the event of a carmaker collapse.

Auto state lawmakers went further, threatening to block the administration's access to the second half of the financial bailout fund unless it made "a firm commitment to assist working Americans and save American jobs."

The clear implication was that no more Wall Street aid would be available without help for the Big Three.

"I think they'll read between the lines," said Rep. Fred Upton, R-Mich., who teamed with Democratic Rep. John Dingell, also of Michigan, in a letter to colleagues outlining their position.

Under legislation enacted in October creating the financial industry rescue program, Congress can vote to block the Treasury Department from accessing the second $350 billion, although it would need a two-thirds supermajority to do so over a presidential veto.

Bush, too, voiced skepticism about an auto rescue package.

"No matter how important the autos are to our economy, we don't want to put good money after bad. In other words, we want to make sure that the plan they develop is one that ensures their long-term viability for the sake of the taxpayer," he said in an interview with NBC News.

President-elect Barack Obama was keeping his distance, prompting Rep. Barney Frank, D-Mass., who has been dealing with both the financial bailout and the auto rescue proposal to say Obama is "going to have to be more assertive than he's been." Frank is chairman of the House Financial Services Committee, which will conduct Friday's hearing.

Repentant after a botched first crack at bailout pleas, the executives from General Motors Corp., Ford Motor Co. and Chrysler LLC all agreed during Thursday's session that a multibillion-dollar bailout deal would include a supervisory government board that could order major overhauls of the companies if deemed necessary for survival.

United Auto Workers union President Ron Gettelfinger, aligned with the industry in pressing for the aid warned that without action by Congress: "I believe we could lose General Motors by the end of this month." He said the situation was dire and time was of the essence.

The Big Three CEOs apologized for past blunders. "We made mistakes, which we're learning from," GM chief Rick Wagoner said. Ford CEO Alan Mulally also acknowledged missteps, saying his company's approach once was "If you build it, they will come."

But as a result of the misjudgments, he said, "we are really focused."

The Bush administration wants the aid to be drawn from an existing $25 billion program to help the industry retool its plants to make their vehicles more fuel-efficient.

But congressional budget analysts said Thursday that would yield only $7.5 billion in short-term loans.

The auto executives made the trip from Detroit in new-model hybrid autos made by their respective companies, two weeks after a first appeal for $25 billion in which they were chided for flying on private jets to beg for money.

Chrysler CEO Bob Nardelli promised that his company, recipient of a previous government-subsidized rescue loan in the 1970s that it repaid, would reimburse taxpayers by 2012 this time and would devote itself to manufacturing "fuel-efficient cars and trucks that people want to buy."

Asked whether the carmakers would agree to a setup like the one established for Chrysler's 1979 bailout, with a federal restructuring trustee who had some of the same powers as a bankruptcy court, all three executives indicated they would. Ford's Mulally added, "I probably need to think about that a little bit. It sounds right, but I just don't know all of the implications."

Lawmakers still complained of sticker shock, noting that the bailout's price tag had jumped $9 billion since the trio last appeared.

Sen. Richard Shelby of Alabama, the senior Republican on the Banking Committee, pressed the automakers to explain why, and explain how the sum would not simply "prop up a failed business model for a few months ... and how are you going to pay it back?"

Democrats, too, questioned whether an auto bailout would amount to investing taxpayer money in a failing enterprise.

"Be honest and tell me ... just tell me if things stay the way they are now, are you going to be back in a year" asking for more money? asked Sen. Jon Tester, D-Mont.

Protesters who briefly interrupted the hearing were a reminder of what polls show is thin public support for a rescue. "The bailout is a sellout!" demonstrators chanted as they were escorted from the hearing room by police.

Gene L. Dodaro, the top official at Congress' watchdog agency _ the Government Accountability Office _ agreed with Dodd that the financial industry rescue fund set up in October "is worded broadly enough" to permit it to be tapped for the automakers.

Dodaro testified that the Federal Reserve also has the authority under existing law to make loans to the domestic auto industry if it so chooses.

Dodd said that both Treasury Secretary Henry Paulson and Fed Chairman Ben Bernanke had been invited to testify at Thursday's hearing but had declined. He later criticized the treasury chief for traveling to China at a time of economic peril in the U.S.

"Time to come home _ we have a serious problem here," Dodd said. "I need the Federal Reserve to step up as well."

Though the current total request is $34 billion, Ford's proposal says it might have to come back with a second request for an additional $4 billion if the recession persists into 2010, raising the total even higher.

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Associated Press writers Ken Thomas and Tom Raum contributed to this report.

WASHINGTON — Desperate U.S. automakers ran into fresh obstacles from skeptical lawmakers Thursday as they appealed with rising urgency _ and a new dose of humility _ for a $34 billion bailout. W...
WASHINGTON — Desperate U.S. automakers ran into fresh obstacles from skeptical lawmakers Thursday as they appealed with rising urgency _ and a new dose of humility _ for a $34 billion bailout. W...
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- EllisWyatt I'm a Fan of EllisWyatt 21 fans permalink
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The world is upside down. actually agreed with what Michael Moore said last night regarding the auto makers vs the bankers and the different treatment given to each.

However, this bailout only postpones the inevitable. Unless the unions come to the table to give something substantial, it is a no go.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:08 AM on 12/04/2008
- JenMI I'm a Fan of JenMI 15 fans permalink

Unions have come to the table already and today will go before Congress and commit to working out a solution and further ccommittments. Are you paying any attention?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:10 AM on 12/04/2008
- baghdadjoe I'm a Fan of baghdadjoe 37 fans permalink

If GM, Ford and Chrysler cars and trucks don't sell now, and aren't going to sell anytime soon, how would a bailout help? It only delays the inevitable for a few months.

Detroit's massive gas-guzzlers are a flop, and it will take years for them to retool and build decent vehicles. And don't forget - they've been at the taxpayer trough before, told us the same lies, then delivered even BIGGER gas-guzzlers.

The free market has decided: these companies have failed to compete in the new century.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:03 AM on 12/04/2008
- JenMI I'm a Fan of JenMI 15 fans permalink

Are you talking about the "bailout" of Chrysler ?...the one where the loan was paid back? Are you aware of how quickly the auto industry retooled when we went to war and they were ordered to build tanks? Please do some homework.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:08 AM on 12/04/2008
- EllisWyatt I'm a Fan of EllisWyatt 21 fans permalink
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Those were different times and the auto makers could never retool today fast enough with the sophsticated weapons systems we now have.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:10 AM on 12/04/2008
- JenMI I'm a Fan of JenMI 15 fans permalink

Interesting how we follow the media and focus only on the CEOs and not the workers or thousands of related industries employing the middle class.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:02 AM on 12/04/2008
- mergina I'm a Fan of mergina 85 fans permalink
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One of the DEMANDS of the feds should be that each and every one of these OVERPAID MILLIONAIRE CEO'S THAT RAN THEIR COMPANIES INTO THE GROUND WITH THEIR LACK OF VISION AND GREED FUELED AGENDAS is FIRED AND REPLACED. They simply CANNOT be allowed to run anything if they are to be bailed out, certainly not an industry that has millions of jobs at stake for their miserable performances.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:01 AM on 12/04/2008
- SCG I'm a Fan of SCG 111 fans permalink
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I think the government should get stock in return for the investment. At current values it could well nationalize the entire domestic industry.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:04 AM on 12/04/2008
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If the auto industries are not rescued, then let me predict that the whole country would collapse. As I worked at Ford Edison Assembly Plant until March 2001, before being laid off, it is not difficult for me to predict what I just did. For Ford Ranger and Mazda, we were receiving parts from all over the United States, parts of Canada, New Zealand, Japan and Liechtenstein. When Edison Assembly Plant was gone, businesses around suffered tremendously and some vanished. If the auto industries are not bailed out, then it will trigger a chain reaction that will eat many other companies, service and manufacturing industries, that is jobs, jobs and jobs, that is, people will loose buying powers, houses will not sell, Many businesses are symbiotically dependent on the auto industries and we have to understand that. NOT ONLY AUTO INDUTRIES, WE NEED TO SAVE ALL OF OUR MANUFACTURING INDUSTRIES.
http://www.economist.com/members/persona.cfm?econUId=3123044&plckUserId=3123044

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:59 AM on 12/04/2008
- baghdadjoe I'm a Fan of baghdadjoe 37 fans permalink

Fortunately, we will still have a vibrant auto industry even after GM, Ford and Chrysler complete their inevitable collapse. Toyota, Honda, Mitsubishi, BMW, and VW all build great, fuel-efficient cars here. Toyota is even opening a US plant that makes Priuses soon. All these are strong companies that employ thousands of UAW workers. The moribund "Big 3" are nearly gone, but the auto industry will remain.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:06 AM on 12/04/2008
- JenMI I'm a Fan of JenMI 15 fans permalink

Are you aware of all the backup industries that serve both the domestic and foreign automakers? What happens to Toyota, Honda, etc. when we let the AMERICAN auto industry fall and the dominoes begin to fall?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:13 AM on 12/04/2008
- gr8abz I'm a Fan of gr8abz 4 fans permalink

Before we go and just smugly shrug off every effort the big three are making we better think it over real good. Real good. Because our economy is the worst its been in 73 years and we are teetering on the edge of a calamity. Virtually all the leading economists agree -- if the auto industry folds within the coming months America will be in for an economic disaster the equivalent to the 1930's. So far the auto industry leaders have met the stipulations and it is now a matter of do we trust them. Personally I think this could be a turnaround period for this industry. Great changes are often born from crisis. Now is not the time to let our cynicism and resentment (of which I have a great deal) towards these automakers set us up for a huge nightmare.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:59 AM on 12/04/2008
- geobushono I'm a Fan of geobushono 15 fans permalink

By Ylan Q. Mui
Washington Post Staff Writer
Thursday, January 4, 2007; Page D01

Robert L. Nardelli has abruptly resigned as chairman and chief executive of Home Depot, pocketing a lavish severance package and leaving shareholders with a stock that has languished even as sales have nearly doubled during his six-year tenure.

In a statement released yesterday, Home Depot's board of directors and Nardelli said they "mutually agreed" to the resignation, which took effect Tuesday. Under the terms of a separation agreement negotiated when he joined the company in 2000, Nardelli, 58, is to receive about $210 million in cash and stock options, including a $20 million severance payment and retirement benefits of $32 million.
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So now, he has maimed another company...­..........­...heck of a job there, bob.

...and you ask how did he get picked up by Chrysler in the first place?....­.That's an easy one: inter linking Board Members...­.Ken Langone offered him the HD job 10 MINUTES after being kicked to the curb......­..........­....but he still hadn't reached his level with the Peter Principle.
Good on you bob......$­1.00/year.­..and no jail time.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:59 AM on 12/04/2008
- BSERIUS I'm a Fan of BSERIUS 8 fans permalink

how many millions did congress take from the Big Three Auto makers??? how about giving that back first... How many millions did the UAW five Barack and the rest ?? How about giving that back to the taxpayers before the bailout

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:59 AM on 12/04/2008
- 957 I'm a Fan of 957 13 fans permalink

congress only bails out banks and wall street not the working class

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:56 AM on 12/04/2008
- aznurse I'm a Fan of aznurse 54 fans permalink

the us automakers will go belly-up, while foreign automakers will do just fine.
Give our own companies a chance to change and help them out now.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:53 AM on 12/04/2008
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We SHOULD help the auto industry. It's a loan. If we can "bail out" the large financial institutions then we certainly should help the auto workers. They need better management and a better product but we definitely need to help them. It's a loan.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:53 AM on 12/04/2008
- baghdadjoe I'm a Fan of baghdadjoe 37 fans permalink

A loan with no collateral that has almost no realistic chance of being repaid is a bailout. And the Detroit CEO's are promising to lay off tens of thousands of workers EVEN IF THEY GET THE BAILOUT.

Let's call this what it is: a bailout for Detroit's ruling class.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:09 AM on 12/04/2008

So what you're saying is tens of thousands of layoffs is just as bad as 2-3 million people losing their job?

And what is Detroit's ruling class? Those three guys? The auto companies are not like Wall Street firms. They are not nearly as top heavy. Detroit's top, even in their heyday, made about 10X less than those in finance, and it gets a lot smaller from there. Wall street hands out thousands of million dollar bonuses annually. There are only a handful of people at auto companies that see anywhere close to a million, and that includes stock and bonuses.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:22 AM on 12/04/2008

There is no "ruling class' in Detroit. It's called Bloomfield Hills, Birmingham, etc.

Detroit (the city, the actual city) collapsed decades ago. You all should come for a tour of Detroit. You might have to rub your eyes - you'll think you are in post-Katrina New Orleans.

Remember back in the 1970s and Detroit was "murder capital?" How soon we forget the human suffering - just multiple that by tens of thousands, and that's what we'll get if we don't figure out some way to catapault American auto companies into the future.

YES WE CAN

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:32 AM on 12/04/2008
- HIbbs4Prez I'm a Fan of HIbbs4Prez 3 fans permalink

The banks got a bailout. The Big Three are at best getting a loan.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:51 AM on 12/04/2008

The Big 3 have a solution for stagnant auto sales? An electric car by 2010?Wow an electric car by 2010 ,when the Scandinavian countries are test driving Hydrogen fuel cell cars that are driven from point A to point B and they have the test course is laid out so the cars need to stop for re-fueling along their test route and from results that I've read,on the internet, these cars are doing just what they are supposed to do and that is ,the cars get great mileage, do not pollute the atmosphere, and the killer part is the Scandinavians are light years ahead of us in the hydrogen fuel cell tech! The reason Detroit isn't doing fuel cell research? Hydrogen fuel cells are to dangerous! Bullshit, hydrogen fuel cells are a lot safer than ANY vehicles that are driven by gasoline!The Big 3 are in cahoots with big oil because big oil can not think of any way to buy up all the water on the planet, which is the raw material needed for hydrogen fuel cell to work!We're being lied to yet again folks! I say Fu*k the Big 3 and all who work for them! Let them DIE!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:49 AM on 12/04/2008
- JenMI I'm a Fan of JenMI 15 fans permalink

What will you say when it's your job?..Do you have a job?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:00 AM on 12/04/2008

Excellent point! Let's not forget the Bush Administration gave people tax credit for purchasing a vehicle that was over 6000 pounds. So you had small cleaning business buying Hummers and getting tax breaks for doing so. What about going back to letting American write off a portion of the interest from Car Loans and Credit Cards? We use to do that before Reagan got in to office and axed the program.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:52 AM on 12/04/2008

Do you even know what the Chevy Volt is? Its a car, which has been in development for years and is very real (GM exec is driving in one today) that can operate up to 40 miles entirely off of a wall charge. There is a very small gas engine that charges the batteries, but for most people that do not drive greater than 40 miles each day, you don't use gas! Let me repeat that, if like most you commute less than 20 miles each way to work each day, you can be driving entirely OIL FREE. This car looks like it is going to get the equivalent of greater than 100 MPH. If you actually want to educate yourself, go to a fan run site http://gm-volt.com/

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:02 AM on 12/04/2008
- Tom Joad I'm a Fan of Tom Joad 289 fans permalink
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and when are they going to sell the Volt? and what will it cost? and does it have solar panel on the roof so it could recharge while it's in the parking lot where I work? will they make it affordable for me? I want one NOW! what are they waiting for?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:10 AM on 12/04/2008

Do you know how hydrogen is currently produced? Oil! Brilliant plan.

Hydrogen is in water, but it does not come freely from water. It takes much more energy to get the hydrogen out of water than that hydrogen can actually produce in a fuel cell. What your suggesting is a gross violation of the laws of thermodynamics.

So Detroit is "in cahoots with big oil". Sounds like a great "cahoot" for the automakers! "You guys make billions in profit while we lose billions. Sounds fair to us!!" Is Toyota in on this cahoot too, having just built a giant truck plant in Texas to produce 200,000 big pick-ups that get worse fuel economy that the American trucks?

And Scandinavian countries are not light years ahead on hydrogen fuel cells. The US automakers have had hydrogen fuel cell cars for many years. You may recall Ford showing a hydrogen car to Bush about two years ago.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:10 AM on 12/04/2008
- wedgie I'm a Fan of wedgie 17 fans permalink
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So they don't get a salary. Will they still get bonuses and stock?

Seriously. What's the d.a.m.n answer?

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    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:45 AM on 12/04/2008
- mergina I'm a Fan of mergina 85 fans permalink
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together they are already worth about 280 million.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:01 AM on 12/04/2008
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Hey, who moved my free market capitalism?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:44 AM on 12/04/2008
- JenMI I'm a Fan of JenMI 15 fans permalink

Bush and his Administra­tion....

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:04 AM on 12/04/2008
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