China To US: Get Your Economy In Order

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JOE McDONALD | December 4, 2008 10:45 PM EST | AP

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A shop clerk counts money at a shop Wednesday, Dec. 3, 2008, in Shanghai China. A recent decline in the Chinese currency's value against the U.S. dollar after months of hovering in a narrow range is threatening to bring the long-simmering issue to full boil as U.S.-China economic talks get under way in Beijing. (AP Photo)

BEIJING — China is urging Washington to rein in debt-fueled spending and stabilize its economy in high-level talks on their commercial relations, reflecting Beijing's growing economic assertiveness.

Speaking at the opening of the Strategic Economic Dialogue, Vice Premier Wang Qishan appealed Thursday to Treasury Secretary Henry Paulson and other U.S. officials to take steps to calm the global financial crisis and protect Beijing's U.S. investments. China's central bank governor said U.S. financial excesses were to blame for the crisis.

"The important reasons for the U.S. financial crisis include excessive consumption and high leverage," said Gov. Zhou Xiaochuan, according to Jin Qi, a central bank official who briefed reporters. "The United States should speed up domestic adjustment, raise its savings rate and reduce its trade and fiscal deficits."

The unusually pointed Chinese comments reflected the close links between the world's biggest and fourth-biggest economies and the global significance of their ability to maintain steady trade relations.

Paulson said engagement between China and the United States has helped in managing the crisis. Officials said both sides stressed the importance of cooperation to combat a potential rise in trade protectionism.

The two-day meeting, due to wrap up Friday, was not expected to produce breakthroughs on trade or other sensitive issues. The two sides signed a pact Thursday to cooperate in financing for projects to improve energy efficiency.

Speaking earlier as Paulson listened, Wang appealed to Washington to "take the necessary measures to stabilize the economy and financial markets, as well as to guarantee the safety of China's assets and investments in the United States."

Wang did not elaborate, but Beijing owns $585 billion in Treasury debt that has helped to finance U.S. budget deficits and its holdings of other U.S. assets are growing. But the weak dollar and financial turmoil have fueled Chinese anxiety about such investments.

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Wang also said Beijing wants to see progress in reforms of international financial institutions _ a reference to its desire for a bigger role in the International Monetary Fund and other bodies.

U.S. officials said China promised more currency reforms. Washington and other trading partners say China's yuan is kept undervalued, giving its exporters an unfair price advantage and adding to its trade surplus. Some American lawmakers are calling for punitive action against Beijing.

"The Chinese continued to reinforce to us that they were committed to continued reform, and by that I mean continued appreciation (of the yuan) over time," said an American official who briefed reporters on condition he not be identified further.

The yuan has risen 20 percent against the dollar since Beijing cut its peg to the dollar in July 2005. But it has fallen this week in government-controlled trading _ including a nearly 1 percent decline Monday, its biggest one-day drop in three years _ in what analysts suggested was a message from Beijing to go easy on the issue.

The yuan's drop Monday also might have been meant as a warning to President-elect Barack Obama, that talks will be more effective than confrontation, said Frank F.X. Gong, chief Asia economist for JP Morgan Securities Ltd. Obama has yet to say whether he will continue the dialogue. Some analysts have speculated that Obama and the U.S. Congress will take a harder line on China.

China's economic growth is expected to slow this year to about 9 percent, down from last year's 11.9 percent. Communist leaders worry about rising job losses and possible unrest.

Beijing is launching a 4 trillion yuan ($586 billion) stimulus package meant to revive slowing growth through heavy spending on construction and other projects.

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Associated Press Writer Henry Sanderson contributed to this report.

BEIJING — China is urging Washington to rein in debt-fueled spending and stabilize its economy in high-level talks on their commercial relations, reflecting Beijing's growing economic assertiven...
BEIJING — China is urging Washington to rein in debt-fueled spending and stabilize its economy in high-level talks on their commercial relations, reflecting Beijing's growing economic assertiven...
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- kad282624 I'm a Fan of kad282624 5 fans permalink

you know what i like most about this article is that most of the lefts, and the few rights here, like me agree on this. basically its us americans telling china to go F its self.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:47 PM on 12/06/2008
- Sylmason I'm a Fan of Sylmason 9 fans permalink
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Let's hope they don't call in their loans. If so my friends...... learn to speak Chinese and develope a love for rice.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:45 PM on 12/06/2008

China can threaten all it wants. But, where else are they going to dump their toxic products? Emerging economies are just that. emerging. They can't yet afford to buy all the junk that China foists on us. We're the only ones keeping the PRC in business. So they call in their loans. We'll just slap them with some serious tariffs, the way we always should have.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:40 PM on 12/05/2008

They will eventually have to cash out and take the hit. It will be better than nothing.

they have to keep their factories open and running, and they have to preserve what they can of their investments.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:09 AM on 12/06/2008
- sposton I'm a Fan of sposton 150 fans permalink
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We can bark as much as we wish at Chinese but the truth is they are fundamentally correct. It is worth keeping in mind the Chinese have not done this to us (even if they benefited) but our own people, the same one who remain in charge. When you bark at Chinese you are wasting your breath and the true criminals among us go unpunished. They are free to continue peddling all of that snake oil about "free" enterprise, "free" trade, "free" markets and the rest. Give it a year and they will have convinced us this was all caused by ourselves, perhaps with the help from those sneaky Chinese. ;-)

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:50 PM on 12/05/2008
- DMcMillan I'm a Fan of DMcMillan 9 fans permalink
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Dear China,

..I..

Love,
America

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:07 PM on 12/05/2008
- kad282624 I'm a Fan of kad282624 5 fans permalink

hey CHINA KISS MY WHITE AMERICAN A$$

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:47 PM on 12/05/2008
- bmwracer I'm a Fan of bmwracer 2 fans permalink

U.S. to China: Overhaul your human rights policies and we'll overhaul our economy.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:32 PM on 12/05/2008
- teacake I'm a Fan of teacake 15 fans permalink

We should listen to the Chinese: Let's AVOID all products made in China.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:01 PM on 12/05/2008
- killpack I'm a Fan of killpack 4 fans permalink

Either that or just wait for the dollar to plummet. At the rate the Fed is printing money to bail out all of these crappy businesses, that will probably happen in the forseeable future. You won't have to avoid Chinese goods then. They wouldn't sell anything to you anyway. Not unless you had gold.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:59 PM on 12/05/2008
- MajorKong I'm a Fan of MajorKong 368 fans permalink
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Nice people. I guess we should ship more of our jobs there.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:47 PM on 12/05/2008
- killpack I'm a Fan of killpack 4 fans permalink

I wouldn't worry about that for too much longer. The way the Fed keeps printing money for all these bailouts, I imagine the dollar will tank before long. You won't see any more jobs going over to China when that happens.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:57 PM on 12/05/2008
- Viper I'm a Fan of Viper 214 fans permalink

US to China:

We will when you stop charging us 10 times the tarrif we charge you and when we start making stuff here again and not importing more from you than you import from us! And not until then!


Regards

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:29 PM on 12/05/2008
- DuganS1 I'm a Fan of DuganS1 18 fans permalink

Having balanced trade with China is not necessary. The growth of China has resulted in a large increase in growth in countries like Australia, Brazil, Japan, and many others. So we need to focus on on increasing exports worldwide to get close to balance in trade, not with each individual country.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:10 PM on 12/05/2008

We have exported all of our jobs to them. Now we only have illegals to export.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:09 PM on 12/05/2008
- sposton I'm a Fan of sposton 150 fans permalink
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The sad fact is there is no way you can balance such structural imbalances by exports. The only way to narrow such gaps is to produce more of what we consume. Ask yourself, why haven't we balanced it by exports for all these years? What will you do differently with the same system?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:34 PM on 12/05/2008
- kae I'm a Fan of kae 4 fans permalink

This should be front page news Huffpo.......CHINA has spoken - China OWNS us--super awesome that China gets to talk to Paulson on this...I feel sooooooo much better.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:29 PM on 12/05/2008

If you actually read the article, it was only China's Vice Chairman of their Central Banks. The President of China's Central Banks, Xiouchuan bypassed Sec'y Paulson and came to the US directly and gave his message.

the Chinese got screwed and they are pissed off. Rightly so.

They are going to devalue and dump US assets - Treasury Bonds. If the Chinese wont buy US bonds anymore, you are looking at a major Bond Dislocation - and that will kill us.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:13 AM on 12/06/2008
- leeman79 I'm a Fan of leeman79 6 fans permalink

We are now officially third world (unofficially, we've been there for 28 years). Go ahead Secretary Paulson, kiss their *ss again.

I remember when Richard Nixon came back from China in the early 70's. They were still in the "stone age". The wisdom at the time was to not awaken the sleeping giant.

Here we are 35 years later. By enabling China in the name of "free trade", we have enslaved ourselves.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:21 PM on 12/05/2008
- heal57 I'm a Fan of heal57 24 fans permalink

leeman; you are exactly right. economic enslavement; and Wall Street and the major banks have complied and helped enslave us.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:53 PM on 12/05/2008
- DuganS1 I'm a Fan of DuganS1 18 fans permalink

Access to a greater quantity of goods from China has benefited the US lower and middle class class substantially. It has also resulted in lower inflation allowing us lower borrowing costs and thus more purchasing power.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:12 PM on 12/05/2008
- FogBelter I'm a Fan of FogBelter 249 fans permalink
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China should be happy it is only semi Free Market Capitalist, it may allow them to weather what is coming better.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:02 PM on 12/05/2008

Boy, the conservative agenda have been great for America. The Clintons were so bad. I just hated low unemployment, the budget surplus, and the goodwill we were afforded throughout the world.

Yeah, looking back those were terrible things. I mean when you can have huge deficits, unemployment, crumbling infrastructure, and to be hated worldwide what's better than that? Yeah, I want more compassionate conservati­sm........­..........­..........­....LOL!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:59 PM on 12/05/2008
- DuganS1 I'm a Fan of DuganS1 18 fans permalink

What crumbling infrastructure? I like how people think all US infrastructure is crumbling because of a bridge collapse. Granted we could use more spending on power lines and a couple other areas , but to ignore all the money spent and work done on Infrastructure, particularly since spending went up dramatically since 2005, is to have selective vision.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:01 PM on 12/05/2008

Hey, everybody, just go shopping, you betcha that 's the answer, go shopping..­..........­.........W­e'll go to war , you go and buy stuff from China, they'll keep loaning us money . We'll be just fine, just keep racking up those debts. We don't have to make anything anymore, just print money and go shopping. What a country Yahoo,....­..........­..........­..........­. Yahoo Nation!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:53 PM on 12/05/2008
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