China To US: Get Your Economy In Order

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JOE McDONALD | 12/ 4/08 10:45 PM | AP

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BEIJING — China is urging Washington to rein in debt-fueled spending and stabilize its economy in high-level talks on their commercial relations, reflecting Beijing's growing economic assertiveness.

Speaking at the opening of the Strategic Economic Dialogue, Vice Premier Wang Qishan appealed Thursday to Treasury Secretary Henry Paulson and other U.S. officials to take steps to calm the global financial crisis and protect Beijing's U.S. investments. China's central bank governor said U.S. financial excesses were to blame for the crisis.

"The important reasons for the U.S. financial crisis include excessive consumption and high leverage," said Gov. Zhou Xiaochuan, according to Jin Qi, a central bank official who briefed reporters. "The United States should speed up domestic adjustment, raise its savings rate and reduce its trade and fiscal deficits."

The unusually pointed Chinese comments reflected the close links between the world's biggest and fourth-biggest economies and the global significance of their ability to maintain steady trade relations.

Paulson said engagement between China and the United States has helped in managing the crisis. Officials said both sides stressed the importance of cooperation to combat a potential rise in trade protectionism.

The two-day meeting, due to wrap up Friday, was not expected to produce breakthroughs on trade or other sensitive issues. The two sides signed a pact Thursday to cooperate in financing for projects to improve energy efficiency.

Speaking earlier as Paulson listened, Wang appealed to Washington to "take the necessary measures to stabilize the economy and financial markets, as well as to guarantee the safety of China's assets and investments in the United States."

Wang did not elaborate, but Beijing owns $585 billion in Treasury debt that has helped to finance U.S. budget deficits and its holdings of other U.S. assets are growing. But the weak dollar and financial turmoil have fueled Chinese anxiety about such investments.

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Wang also said Beijing wants to see progress in reforms of international financial institutions _ a reference to its desire for a bigger role in the International Monetary Fund and other bodies.

U.S. officials said China promised more currency reforms. Washington and other trading partners say China's yuan is kept undervalued, giving its exporters an unfair price advantage and adding to its trade surplus. Some American lawmakers are calling for punitive action against Beijing.

"The Chinese continued to reinforce to us that they were committed to continued reform, and by that I mean continued appreciation (of the yuan) over time," said an American official who briefed reporters on condition he not be identified further.

The yuan has risen 20 percent against the dollar since Beijing cut its peg to the dollar in July 2005. But it has fallen this week in government-controlled trading _ including a nearly 1 percent decline Monday, its biggest one-day drop in three years _ in what analysts suggested was a message from Beijing to go easy on the issue.

The yuan's drop Monday also might have been meant as a warning to President-elect Barack Obama, that talks will be more effective than confrontation, said Frank F.X. Gong, chief Asia economist for JP Morgan Securities Ltd. Obama has yet to say whether he will continue the dialogue. Some analysts have speculated that Obama and the U.S. Congress will take a harder line on China.

China's economic growth is expected to slow this year to about 9 percent, down from last year's 11.9 percent. Communist leaders worry about rising job losses and possible unrest.

Beijing is launching a 4 trillion yuan ($586 billion) stimulus package meant to revive slowing growth through heavy spending on construction and other projects.

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Associated Press Writer Henry Sanderson contributed to this report.

BEIJING — China is urging Washington to rein in debt-fueled spending and stabilize its economy in high-level talks on their commercial relations, reflecting Beijing's growing economic assertiven...
BEIJING — China is urging Washington to rein in debt-fueled spending and stabilize its economy in high-level talks on their commercial relations, reflecting Beijing's growing economic assertiven...
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- dnddays I'm a Fan of dnddays 6 fans permalink
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China to US:

Dear, United States,
Get your economy in order, so that you may buy our cheap lead-painted toys, dangerous carseats and poison baby food. Seriously, United States, we need you to back to the country that has so much money it doesn't care about quality or health.
PS, please send more of your jobs over here along with your money. Thank you.

Yours truly, Great Leader.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:53 PM on 12/05/2008
- studlyguy I'm a Fan of studlyguy 9 fans permalink

Yeah,China needs a country to sell their poision food and products too ,I'm sure their worried ,they need the morons here in America who buy their junk.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:37 PM on 12/05/2008
- killpack I'm a Fan of killpack 4 fans permalink

Don't worry. When the dollar goes down the toilet after the Fed is done bailing everyone out, the Chinese won't want to sell to us anymore.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:31 AM on 12/06/2008
- killpack I'm a Fan of killpack 4 fans permalink

Dear China,

You can't have it both ways. Keep selling us stuff and lending us money (increasing our deficit to you) or stop. It's that simple.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:37 PM on 12/05/2008
- Nan2008 I'm a Fan of Nan2008 6 fans permalink

The US foreign debt is a lot more than 1 trillion dollars. Officially, the US government owes foreigners somewhere around 5 or 6 trillion dollars. But unofficially it's a lot more than that. Because the US government has more or less guaranteed the repayment of foreign debts by various private financial institutions in USA, including Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac.

But almost all of this foreign debt is backed up by nothing more than a lot of IOU paper notes. There is no physical property or collateral that foreigners can foreclose on and repossess.

Which means that USA can declare bankruptcy at any time. And the foreigners will loose all of the money they have loaned to USA. Of course, the foreigners won't be happy about loosing so much money. And they probably wouldn't want to lend any more money to USA. But they definitely won't be able to take possession of any property in USA as payment for the money owed to them. Their military is not strong enough to do that.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:49 AM on 12/05/2008
- sposton I'm a Fan of sposton 183 fans permalink
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This also means that the US dollar loses its reserve currency status. We will no longer be able to print money to pay for our oil and all the rest of the stuff that we import. Just like every other country we will first have to accumulate foreign reserves with which to pay for our oil. And all that stuff made in China and elsewhere around world that we buy will now cost ten times more. Do you think that we will be able to return to our shores all that manufacturing capacity that has been lost in a reasonable time? And for how long do you suppose we will remain a superpower with a bankrupt economy and government?

It is worth remembering that all this damage was inflicted to us by our own people, the few, the proud, the richest among us. If the Russians, Chinese or anyone else had done this to us we would have created the whole new "complex" spending trillions of dollars to fight them off. But heck, these are our own folks that had screwed us and so everything is cool.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:18 PM on 12/05/2008

All we can hope for is deflation.­..yes deflation. If companies want to pay us peanuts...­.then the value of goods should be peanuts. Right????? I have never seen corporation want to SUCK AND BLOW at the same time.

They don't want to pay out in saleries but want the maxium dollar for there goods. Ok....mayb­e in the next life time idiots.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:40 AM on 12/05/2008
- BuckeyeGal I'm a Fan of BuckeyeGal 4 fans permalink
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LOL. Good point. Maybe they will make giant profits by selling to the 3rd worlders that they pay pennies to produce their cheap goods.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:38 PM on 12/05/2008
- Rebecca I'm a Fan of Rebecca 37 fans permalink
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We are China's bytch.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:32 AM on 12/05/2008
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U.S. CITIZENS TO CHINA ....

GET YOUR MARKET SUPPLY ETHICS IN ORDER!!!!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:32 AM on 12/05/2008
- alienufo I'm a Fan of alienufo 3 fans permalink
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China must not understand that the USA is a democracy. We can't just make a declaration and change the way everything works over night.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:30 AM on 12/05/2008

We are? How come there was a $700B bailout? It was declared in spite of overwhelming taxpayer objection, virtually overnite. Don't kid yourself about the democracy thing dude, we live in plutocracy at best, a corporate oligarchy more likely. Oh yeah you get to vote but your input ends there.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:14 PM on 12/05/2008

China told us just right. While the media and Barney Frank hating on Obama, they need to be on Bush's "BUTT!!!" This doesn’t make any sense for us to have to borrow from "tight-eye" China.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:22 AM on 12/05/2008
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Bush: Worst president in history. If there was ever a doubt, it is dwindling fast. His policies (or Cheney/Rove's etc) were responsible for our being at the mercy of the Chinese as we kept enlarging the deficit and borrowing. Now that it would be foolish for the government to curtail spending, in fact they should increase it on projects and infrastructure, the Chinese hold our fate in their hands. And where can we borrow for the additional money needed to stimulate our economy, since borrow we must, having no reserves? This was all, to a large extent, so predictable. Many people have expressed this fear as Bush kept running up the debt: now it has come to haunt us in spades.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:12 AM on 12/05/2008
- DuganS1 I'm a Fan of DuganS1 20 fans permalink

On a percentage of expenditures to revenues basis, the budget deficits under George W Bush were smaller than those created under his father Bush, Ronald Reagan, and Gerald Ford, as well as three of Jimmy Carter's budget deficits and a couple of Nixons and one of Lyndon Johnson. There

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:21 AM on 12/05/2008
- BuckeyeGal I'm a Fan of BuckeyeGal 4 fans permalink
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W's $10 billion A MONTH for the Iraq war?
And are you including the so successful CDS scheme in your revenue figures?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:02 PM on 12/05/2008

There is a big difference Dugan... the revenue basis back then was real. Bush's deficit's, exponentially larger, are based on false revenue... funny money. It's apples to plastic oranges (made in China of course). Your argument doesn't wash.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:03 PM on 12/05/2008
- Viper I'm a Fan of Viper 264 fans permalink

Oh, but the war is off Budget... duh and did you add in the Bailouts coming under his leadership and unemployement cost. Try this: not a single net private sector job created in 8 years. Hoover did better.

And he started with a 350 Billion per year surplus that per Greenspan would increase into the future and turned that in to a Trillion a year deficit. Greenspan was worried we would pay down all of our debt... no worry now.

Regards

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:59 PM on 12/05/2008
- Pulemerci I'm a Fan of Pulemerci 9 fans permalink

I guess you don't remember Jimmy Carter and his stellar term; American hostages held captive for over a year by Islamic extremist government, gas lines, double digit inflation and unemployment, highest misery index EVER. Automobile prices increased 72%. New house prices went up 67%. In 1979 alone, gasoline prices increased 60%. The inflation rate went from 6.8% in 1977, to 7.6% in 1978, to 11.5% in 1979, to 12.4% in 1980. National productivity declined sharply. The unemployment rate was roughly double what it is today under President Bush. Interest rates soared. By the time Carter left office, the prime rate was 21.5% -- a new record. It is Carter’s signature on the Panama Canal Treaty of 1977 which surrendered U.S. control of that waterway to the Panamanian government.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:30 AM on 12/05/2008
- Nan2008 I'm a Fan of Nan2008 6 fans permalink

Did Jimmy Carter order our troops to attack a country that was of no threat to our country? Did Jimmy Carter order up torture? HMMMMM? Was there ever a disaster like Katrina under Jimmy Carter? Tell us when under Jimmy Carter, that millions watched while thousands of black people went without food and water for days, resulting in the deaths of many?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:39 AM on 12/05/2008
- mervr1 I'm a Fan of mervr1 27 fans permalink

I guess you really aren't following the news daily, because you are totally out of touch on what's happening today. Join the rest of us in the present.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:20 PM on 12/05/2008

Jimmy Carter may have had a troubled presidency. But, he is a decent person. He has done more since his presidency to promote peace than any other ex-president.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:31 PM on 12/05/2008
- Peter007 I'm a Fan of Peter007 32 fans permalink
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I was never a Carter defender but...The hostages all got out alive. Carter did end inflation. Not Carter pre se but Volker who raised rates to 21 % to end the inflationary spiral. Reagan got the benefit. Gas prices are all over the place, nobody controls that. And we don't have to pay for the Canal anymore. And Carter did promote Human Rights, vs Gitmo in this administration.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:33 PM on 12/05/2008
- Viper I'm a Fan of Viper 264 fans permalink

Yes carter came in after 8 years of repug war... a wage and price control and an oil embargo.

Reagan got the hostages by trading weapons to the iranians for hostages.

Why did they take the hostages..­. Oh, because under a repug President we assasinated their elected president in the 1950s and installed a dictator in his place.

Carter problems unlike what Reagan and Bush (trickle down., dereg, government is bad and free trade/outsourcing, 10 trillion indebt bewteen the two of them) have done will not take 30 years to undo.


Regards

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:54 PM on 12/05/2008
- mervr1 I'm a Fan of mervr1 27 fans permalink

Well grasshopper what have you learned?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:07 AM on 12/05/2008
- SammyD I'm a Fan of SammyD 11 fans permalink

China now "owns" America. From these comments, I believe they will continue to do so because Americans don't get it. Understandable if you are younger and do not remember decades ago when some were warning and screaming to buy "Made in America". America chose to buy "Made in China". Walmart and every other stores in America sells Chinese products because that's what Americans want. Cheap. Until Americans learn to vote with their dollars, we will be controlled by other countries. How many people are still consuming Budweiser beer? We are now a global economy but Americans can keep some dollars and jobs in America.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:00 AM on 12/05/2008
- DuganS1 I'm a Fan of DuganS1 20 fans permalink

Back in the 1960s, 1970s and1980s folks were upset that other folks liked Japanese and Korean products so much, even when they were of higher quality and much preferred to products of American competitors. In the 1990s, many folks in Michigan were upset that new factories were sprouting up in places like Alabama and Kentucky. Back in the early 20th century many folks were upset that the New England textile mills were closing up and headed down to South Carolina. British and French folks were upset around 1900 when US Steel came up with a new way to make steel and greatly undercut British and French steel companies prices. etc.etc. The bottom line is that if the US wants to save US jobs, they need to increase efficiency and quality and build things other Americans want to buy and other American companies want to sell.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:09 AM on 12/05/2008
- misterbone I'm a Fan of misterbone 18 fans permalink

And if the US can't compete, then don't even try. Just wait until China develops its economy, and we sink far enough, to the point that China begins outsourcing those manufacturing jobs back to us at piecemeal rates of pay.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:27 AM on 12/05/2008
- WASanford I'm a Fan of WASanford 26 fans permalink
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There are practical limits to increases in efficiency and quality. We should do what the Chinese do, collect tariffs on imported products.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:17 PM on 12/05/2008
- MakeAWish I'm a Fan of MakeAWish 24 fans permalink

China, our new boss? We really do need to get our economy back up and running, so we can continue to buy more toxic crap from China.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:51 AM on 12/05/2008

Paulson goes Chinese...­..

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:44 AM on 12/05/2008
- yappnmutt I'm a Fan of yappnmutt 70 fans permalink

i can hear paulson now, "please keep buying our debt, please, pretty please."
china is in the catbird seat now and knows it.
for those that still believe the policy that china has to go along with the usa because they have more to lose think again. yes, china will suffer. yes, there will be riots(because the chinese are not fat, happy and dumb like someone else we know). the chinese are ready to fill the void left by the usa when this is over.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:44 AM on 12/05/2008
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