China To US: Get Your Economy In Order

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JOE McDONALD | 12/ 4/08 10:45 PM | AP

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BEIJING — China is urging Washington to rein in debt-fueled spending and stabilize its economy in high-level talks on their commercial relations, reflecting Beijing's growing economic assertiveness.

Speaking at the opening of the Strategic Economic Dialogue, Vice Premier Wang Qishan appealed Thursday to Treasury Secretary Henry Paulson and other U.S. officials to take steps to calm the global financial crisis and protect Beijing's U.S. investments. China's central bank governor said U.S. financial excesses were to blame for the crisis.

"The important reasons for the U.S. financial crisis include excessive consumption and high leverage," said Gov. Zhou Xiaochuan, according to Jin Qi, a central bank official who briefed reporters. "The United States should speed up domestic adjustment, raise its savings rate and reduce its trade and fiscal deficits."

The unusually pointed Chinese comments reflected the close links between the world's biggest and fourth-biggest economies and the global significance of their ability to maintain steady trade relations.

Paulson said engagement between China and the United States has helped in managing the crisis. Officials said both sides stressed the importance of cooperation to combat a potential rise in trade protectionism.

The two-day meeting, due to wrap up Friday, was not expected to produce breakthroughs on trade or other sensitive issues. The two sides signed a pact Thursday to cooperate in financing for projects to improve energy efficiency.

Speaking earlier as Paulson listened, Wang appealed to Washington to "take the necessary measures to stabilize the economy and financial markets, as well as to guarantee the safety of China's assets and investments in the United States."

Wang did not elaborate, but Beijing owns $585 billion in Treasury debt that has helped to finance U.S. budget deficits and its holdings of other U.S. assets are growing. But the weak dollar and financial turmoil have fueled Chinese anxiety about such investments.

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Wang also said Beijing wants to see progress in reforms of international financial institutions _ a reference to its desire for a bigger role in the International Monetary Fund and other bodies.

U.S. officials said China promised more currency reforms. Washington and other trading partners say China's yuan is kept undervalued, giving its exporters an unfair price advantage and adding to its trade surplus. Some American lawmakers are calling for punitive action against Beijing.

"The Chinese continued to reinforce to us that they were committed to continued reform, and by that I mean continued appreciation (of the yuan) over time," said an American official who briefed reporters on condition he not be identified further.

The yuan has risen 20 percent against the dollar since Beijing cut its peg to the dollar in July 2005. But it has fallen this week in government-controlled trading _ including a nearly 1 percent decline Monday, its biggest one-day drop in three years _ in what analysts suggested was a message from Beijing to go easy on the issue.

The yuan's drop Monday also might have been meant as a warning to President-elect Barack Obama, that talks will be more effective than confrontation, said Frank F.X. Gong, chief Asia economist for JP Morgan Securities Ltd. Obama has yet to say whether he will continue the dialogue. Some analysts have speculated that Obama and the U.S. Congress will take a harder line on China.

China's economic growth is expected to slow this year to about 9 percent, down from last year's 11.9 percent. Communist leaders worry about rising job losses and possible unrest.

Beijing is launching a 4 trillion yuan ($586 billion) stimulus package meant to revive slowing growth through heavy spending on construction and other projects.

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Associated Press Writer Henry Sanderson contributed to this report.

BEIJING — China is urging Washington to rein in debt-fueled spending and stabilize its economy in high-level talks on their commercial relations, reflecting Beijing's growing economic assertiven...
BEIJING — China is urging Washington to rein in debt-fueled spending and stabilize its economy in high-level talks on their commercial relations, reflecting Beijing's growing economic assertiven...
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Bush destroyed our economy and helped the chinese rake in billions, thats part of his disgraceful legacy

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:27 AM on 12/05/2008
- rkimball I'm a Fan of rkimball 5 fans permalink

china now owns your grand & great grand children. we will be in debt to the chinese for the next 200 years.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:46 AM on 12/05/2008

No Sh|T! The first step is to cut China off and start making goods in AMERICA!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:11 AM on 12/05/2008
- CaliRN I'm a Fan of CaliRN 4 fans permalink
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So the Chinese wants us to rein in the spending and save more. Great! For the last 3 years our family have not bought anything (knowingly) Made in China (though the absence of origin labeling on food worries us). If the country of origin is not advertised in an online listing, we write or call the seller and ask the origin of the item. If we can't find the item made somewhere else, we don't buy it.

My husband was laid off from his job as a purchasing manager in a manufacturing environment in 2002. He has not been able to find a commensurate job since. Because the United States is transforming itself into a service-based economy and is eliminating it's manufacturing capabilities, he is now attempting to follow a different career path that does not involve manufacturing. I find this very sad.

Even with one income, we buy American. We paid more for our Fiesta dinnerware, VitaMix blender, Henry's cloth shopping bags, and Wickers undergarments but they are made in the US. Sewing my own clothes with domestic fabrics and notions has been a significant money-saver. It takes effort to find some items not made in China; sometimes you cannot find them (we do not own laptop computer for this reason).

Just as with everything else, if it is important to you, you will make an effort to do it. If enough people boycott Made in China goods the companies will take notice ... and change will occur.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:58 AM on 12/05/2008
- gratonite I'm a Fan of gratonite 8 fans permalink

So they want us to stop buying their stupid toxic crap? I'm in.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:20 AM on 12/05/2008
- indabush I'm a Fan of indabush 11 fans permalink
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I'm right there with you. The nerve of those Chinese. We'll get it in order, alright. We'll stick you with your crap. How's that!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:05 AM on 12/05/2008
- rkimball I'm a Fan of rkimball 5 fans permalink

chinese consumers are too smart of shoppers to buy their own crap.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:47 AM on 12/05/2008
- goldiekins I'm a Fan of goldiekins 10 fans permalink

I went Christmas shopping today and every single store carries nothing but clothing made in China, and everything made in China, and they are telling us to get our economy in order? They are one of the reasons our economy is in the tank. You couldn't buy something made in the U.S. if your life depended on it, even the cars they are bailing out a lot of the parts are from some other country. This trade crap has gone too far. All of our jobs, technical jobs, even our medical xrays are read in India now. WE are stupid as a country. The first thing we need to do as a country is get our own country in order and back on track.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:03 AM on 12/05/2008

YOU are NOT stupid as a country. There used to be a time when you would manufacture and produce goods to sell at home and abroad. Companies made a profit and employees could live on their income. Around 20 years ago it changed. The goal was: How can we produce cheaper in order to make a bigger profit. So reduce the staff, outsource the production to countries where worker earn a fraction of American salaries. The magic word was: shareholder value. How can a business seriously get ahead when their CEO's only stare at the next quarterly report to please the rating agencies ? What good is a service oriented society when there is no production anymore ? Globalization is another magic word. IMO it only benefits the huge companies. They can produce everywhere and pay taxes where it is the cheapest. Unless you find a way to start producing and manufacturing again the future is not so bright.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:57 AM on 12/05/2008

That is a brilliant post and sums it up. Unless we take back America and produce goods again, we are doomed. We need to bring back the American manufacturing base and end all the Free Trade that has cost us our jobs and money. BRING BACK AMERICA!!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:14 AM on 12/05/2008
- CaliRN I'm a Fan of CaliRN 4 fans permalink
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Wow! You really nailed it!

"Globalization" what a term ... wasn't this "feel good" word first coined by the same guy (Frank Luntz??) that invented the term "Compassionate Conservative" ???

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:15 AM on 12/05/2008
- carrieanna I'm a Fan of carrieanna 3 fans permalink
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I understand your frustration. I've started being more vigilant in reading the country of origin on the products I buy lately. I'd like to *kindly* mention one thing. It *is* possible to invest in US-made items. I've had to brainstorm on Christmas gifts this year in order to support US business. I've realized that locally grown plants and food items are great gifts. Plus, these gifts are mostly eco-friendly, another important issue for me. (Local fairs often have a lot of US-made jewelry and other nice gift-items too. And of course there's always Fair Trade items and stores around.)

But truly the root of the current crisis is that we fed into the "BUY BUY BUY" message of retailers and restaurants. There's nothing wrong with having a DVD player or a stereo. But people should exercise restraint in how much they buy. From what I have seen, most people's houses are overflowing with things they never use and never needed to begin with.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:47 AM on 12/05/2008

I really doubt if "Free Trade" really contributes to the well being of the country, to the people itself. We may need protectionism, contrary to what Bush has said, we need to protect our industries from global competition.
We need to manufacture again, use technologies to produce the products we consume.
We have transferred the know-how to India and China. But we can still take it back.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:20 AM on 12/05/2008
- FreeRange I'm a Fan of FreeRange 2 fans permalink

Wait a second, the nitwits posting here blame China because of their currency? Whose their largest trading partner? Why its WalMart!!!!! So if we really want to beat up on someone, lets do it to the biggest company that has been shipping jobs overseas! Meanwhile, we're over their telling the Chinese that they need to ease up on consumer credit and get their people not saving so much and taking out loans to buy houses, cars, and to load up on credit cards. Gee - whose smarter? The US, or the country where people actually know how to save! Advice to Chine - don't listen to us, and don't follow us!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:03 AM on 12/05/2008
- atlantishp I'm a Fan of atlantishp 7 fans permalink

Mildmannered

I really don't think the US is in a position to tell China to do anything. They are the House and WE are the players.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:56 AM on 12/05/2008
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Hey China! We're Americans, we're supposed to lecture you, not the other way around!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:49 AM on 12/05/2008
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Nice imperialistic way of speaking

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:58 AM on 12/05/2008
- Takae I'm a Fan of Takae 10 fans permalink

No offense, but so far, the US's "lectures" got us so many unnecessary number of politically tense situations.

The US's high-handed lectures and attitude - like yours, just there - were the reasons why many countries didn't like the US (not the people, but the government) the last decade.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:54 AM on 12/05/2008

US TO CHINA: QUIT PUTTING MELAMINE IN MILK AND LEAD IN TOYS.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:45 AM on 12/05/2008
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In an effort to facility national safety from external terrorist and financial servitude I propose the US perform 100% inspections of all goods imported into the country and charging for this service to any company who wishes to import their product to our shores.

This will allow us to adjust our fiscal and trade deficits rather quickly.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:44 AM on 12/05/2008

I like your idea.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:00 PM on 12/05/2008

The U.S. must demand that the Chinese currency be set at market rates so that trade is on more of a level field.

The U.S. must also rebuild its (our) manufacturing base so that we do not have to depend as much on the Chinese.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:37 AM on 12/05/2008

Exactly! Who do these pricks think they are? It's funny, they weren't complaining when our irresponsible, stupid, debt ridden citizens were boosting up their backwoods country by buying cheap useless sh*t made by their slave labor. If they're currency was actually set at market rates they'd be in the same boat as the rest of the western world. This just shows why the morons in Washington should have never been relying so much on another country to fund their warmongering and greed.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:02 AM on 12/05/2008
- Ajita I'm a Fan of Ajita 94 fans permalink
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Right on both counts. Also, the US should stop blackmailing poor agricultural countries to open their markets to highly subsidized American corn, wheat and rice. And the US should stop using the IMF and the WTO to force developing countries to open their markets before they have their local manufacturing sectors built up, when the US and European manufacturing sectors were themselves built during colonial times by closing their markets to foreign goods.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:07 AM on 12/05/2008
- Amalek I'm a Fan of Amalek 136 fans permalink
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My oh my how things have changed. The Chinese are lecturing us on the need to reform our ways, and they are right.

I hope they don't haul us into the UN on human rights violations at gitmo. or for invading a sovereign country. I don't think they will get too worked up about illegal wiretapping - a government has to do what a government has to do you know.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:25 AM on 12/05/2008
- Toonadude I'm a Fan of Toonadude 17 fans permalink

According to Laura Bush, the President wouldn't know what to do with Wang...... so I guess things will have to wait until Obama takes over.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:15 AM on 12/05/2008
- plages I'm a Fan of plages 18 fans permalink

Ha, ha, ha, as everything is a joke to this administration, ha, ha, ha, because they're all just going to walk away!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:13 AM on 12/05/2008
- HIbbs4Prez I'm a Fan of HIbbs4Prez 3 fans permalink

Yes, masters! We're trying, masters!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:10 AM on 12/05/2008

Too true! They got us by the short hairs right now. But their advice is sound. If we reign in our over consumption (by a new computer every 5 years instead of 3 for example) and increase savings and invest those savings into domestic improvements (like high speed rail and smart grids) in 100 years we could be back in equal footing. Heck if the new energy economy (including proposed efficiency gains) it could be more like 50 years; when all us baby-boomer children are starting to retire.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:26 AM on 12/05/2008

I think that if we quit buying Chinese crap; they would have no economy (other than melamine and lead paint)

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:47 AM on 12/05/2008
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