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First Posted: 12- 4-08 11:43 AM   |   Updated: 01- 4-09 05:12 AM

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On Monday, Arianna wrote a piece about the terrifying state of America's economy.

So, just like we did with your election anxiety, we asked you to share. And share you did!

We've pulled together a selection of some of the standout stories to share with the rest of our readers -- both to do our part to document the downturn and to make sure that everyone out there feeling the financial pressure knows that they are not alone.

Like we said, the meltdown will be blogged. By you.

Thank you.

To share your stories, your tips, your fears, or your ideas with us, click here and fill out the simple form.

I am 62 years old and retired for 3 years. My husband and I always saved our money. If we had $100 we saved $25. We did not buy furnature for our home, but lived with hand me downs for 20 years. We raised 3 kids and sent them to college on one teacher's salary. We bought used cars and kept them for 12 to 18 years. The money that would have payed for "luxury items" was SAVED! Saved in my husbands 401K, saved in stocks and bonds. We sent all 3 kids to college without taking out loans or going into debt. They went to state schools with some academic scholarships and all graduated and are good citizens today. We felt like we had "done the right thing", and then one day in Sept. 2008 the 401K was gone. The money we had put into it when we had very little to add, but always made that deposit. That money was gone! It was our savings that took 40 years to accumulate with hard work, and even harder "sacrifice" to save it. Gone in a day! It was to be used to travel,something we never had time for when raising a family.It was for our kids when we are gone and our grandkids. But now it is gone.
Mimi, Berlin


My partner and I formed a business in 1979. We've had ups and downs over the past 29 years but we've survived nicely and managed to grow modestly each year...For the past 10 years, we've kept our expenses minimal and never had more than two associates in spite of suggestions that we add more people...Then came last November...Virtually all of our work dried up and what we receive now trickles in periodically. Our 2008 gross is down 50% from 2007.

I had surgery late last year and the only way we've been able to keep any staff employed is because I've been disabled and what would have been paid to me is going to staff. I'm seriously considering retiring since I have become physically disabled and there's little incentive to return to a business that isn't likely to survive much longer. My situation is no where near as awful as many others because we won't lose our home or our life if I am forced into retirement: Many other's aren't so lucky.
Roger, Stockton, California

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i run a home daycare center and have since i was laid off toward the end of bush one's presidency. funny, but during that time, my husband and i both lost our jobs in the air freight industry 3 months apart from each other. of course it wasn't funny then. we did what we had to in order to support 4 kids. we delivered newspapers, my husband took a part time job at target. i decided to open my own daycare center within our home. i watched kids day and night. weekends and 24 hour care. i've been doing it now for 17 years. now i watch my daycare parents struggle as we did over 17 years ago. some are self employed and have no business. others are seeing co-workers get laid off and wonder when they will be next. others have been laid off and can't find jobs. others are forced to take pay cuts and work longer hours. these are just the families within my own daycare. my son is a recent college graduate and plans to attend law school since the job market is so poor. i dont know how he plans to pay for it though. we sure dont have the money to send him. we have a daughter in her freshman year of college who worries her financial aid will dry up. my IRA is worthless along with my husband's 401 K. we are fortunate to have been in our house over 10 years so we are not affected by the housing crisis. i see how our society replaced credit for wages. most of us dont know what it means to save for a washing machine, we just charge it. i remember my parents selling everything they could when my dad was laid off in 1974. now we live on credit. somehow we've lost sight of financial responsibility. we as a people, as a country, need to find our way back.
Karen, Arvada, Colorado


I worked for a tech company that provided support tools to the finance industry in New York and was in the first round of layoffs when this recession began back in January of this year (2008). After several months of looking for work I was forced to look outside of NY and ended up finding work starting in May in California. I'm a single parent with multiple sclerosis and a son in college. His father is on SSI due to emphysema and cirrhosis of the liver so it's been up to me to provide for our son. My choice was to stay in my house in NY with NO JOB or leave that house and come to California where I could, at least, find a job. I left. The house has been on the market since April and despite the price now being reduced to below what I owe on it, I've had NO OFFERS. I can't afford to live here and make payments there and am just waiting for the lender to foreclose. I will lose all my savings in that house. Three years ago when I moved to NY I put $50,000 down on that house. It completely aggravates me that the "experts" have been denying we're heading for a depression. Wake up guys, we're there.
JK, Santa Clara, CA


I am 55-years old. I hold a doctorate in music (earned in 1994 - so that is really when my career began) and have an excellent reputation as a scholar, performer, and education. I teach at a small liberal arts college in Nebraska. We have seen a drastic drop in our enrollment. Students can't get loans or jobs to pay our higher than average tuition. Our music department is really struggling and was the target of faculty/staff cuts two years ago. This year, it was announced in August that the college would stop making contributions to our IRAs. I an really afraid: first for our department and my job and secondly for the college overall...So, here I am a highly educated professional with very specific skills, facing unemployment with little in retirement since I have only worked full-time for 10 years. I have a 20-year old son and college and co-signed post-grad professional loans for my daughter. I never expected, at my age, to be facing these obstacles. The stress is significant, but I don't know what to do except go to work every day and hope for a miracle.
Peggy, Omaha, NE


I just turned 59. I have worked for 42 years of my life. Now I am living in a tent in someone's backyard... I had to sleep in my car for a week or more. I could be staying in an RV, but the tent actually has more space... I have had no income since September and mostly $500 a month income for much of this year, except for June when I received more money from a friend. what I see is that all of our systems are set up to penalize and criminalize the poor. can't pay for registration and insurance for your car? you are a criminal. cannot pay for rent? cannot pay for food? cannot pay for gas? where are you supposed to go? cannot pay for health care? tough luck, go die. I have a BA degree and am a professional. Two years ago when I hurt my wrist I looked into going on disability but found out that I would be lucky to get approved in two years... welfare, food stamps? social security? I do not qualify because why? I am a third generation American and my family is DEAD but because I have no income, but had some money way back in June, and have a car, I do not qualify? the red tape and rigamorale is difficult to deal with... exhausting. they say they need substitute teachers, same red tape, and you have to spend money to get the job... where am I supposed to get the money? churches social service agencies, each one passes the buck, sends you to some place else. food banks expect you to live on tuna, peanut butter and pasta, if you do not have a kitchen, how are you supposed to cook the pasta???
Sue, NYC


My teenage son lives with severe autism, as do 1 in every 150 boys today. The greatest tragedy of the economic meltdown in the richest country in the world is the further erosion and neglect of our government in supporting people who need the most help, those with disabilities who cannot live independently. At a time when diagnoses have surged, ironically over the past 8 years services were cut and now will disappear, leaving aging parents to care for their adult children at home until . . . the inevitable. What happens to those adults with autism when their parents are gone? Thankfully institutions are not the answer anymore, however now there are no new group homes opening, and agencies serving the disabled no longer have funds to operate. When a provider can make more working at Wal-Mart than teaching a young disabled adult a vocational skill that says something about our priorities as a country. Why was there no money 8 years ago when we asked for help, yet billions are suddenly found to support banks, Wall St., the auto companies, construction companies, etc? The money is there - let's reset our prioirities and leave a standard of living to our children better than what can be found in Sudan. This is America after all.
Susan, Harbeson, DE


I used to work for Sony Electronics when they still made television sets here in San Diego (as recent as 2002!). When this business moved to China, I was laid off and tried to establish my own specialty retail business. Shorly thereafter I became a business statistic when the business failed. After a 18 month period of unemplyment, I found at a position in our local school district, making about 50% less than when I was at Sony. Within a year I found a better position at Pfizer, but the big-pharma was already foundering, and was laid-off after less than a year. Since then I have not been able to find suitable employment. Had my wife not been a highly skilled Registered Nurse we would have lost our home long ago and suffered additional financial consequences.


I am now planning to attend a paralegal certificate program at a local university in January, and should be on the hunt for employment in May. I have been unemployed 3 weeks to long to qualify for extended unemployment benefits, so I have received almost no help from the state or Uncle Sam. At 54 years of age none of this is coming easy for me. Aside from the financial issues, the emotional stress has been tremendous. Had it not been for friends and playing sax in a local big band, I probably would be dead by know. I've learned that money is not the most important thing in life! I consider myself well educated (BS Virginia Tech, MBA University of Phoenix), and have a lifetime of operational business experience, so why can't I find suitable employment? When somebody with my education and experience is tossed away by society, I wonder how those less fortunate can make it. We are fast becoming a third world country, it's not the place I grew up in. I fear for the next generation. Best regards,
Drew, San Diego, CA


This is what amazes me about my life in America right now: No heat. No heat last winter.....No heat this winter....And I thought I was alone. But this year, I checked in on the Frugal Living board of a popular mother's website, and what did I see? Women asking each other what to do when you have children at home, and you can't afford to fire up your furnace. And then, a few women on another mother's group I belong to admitted that they had no heat this winter, as well. Some of these women are pregnant, and due to deliver this winter. Most of us have husbands who work; but the downsizings and wage stagnation, and unemployment have taken their toll. So when money ran out, and the heat bill couldn't be paid...well, there never was enough extra to get the heat turned back on. Here's another thing I've learned: Having a college degree no longer serves as a safety net against impoverishment. I look around me, and well-educated friends simply can not find jobs. Naturally, I worry about the struggle.
Faith, East Windsor, NJ


I am 61 years old and bought my first house in 2007. The bank told me that I could afford a home up to $160,000. I had no money for a down payment. "Are you sure I can afford a home for $160,000?"


"Sure, no problem."


When all was said and done, I found a home for $151,000 and the monthly payment was almost $1,300. I am not in foreclosure but I have built up a credit card debt of $7,000. I have made my mortgage payments but I have not been able to keep up with other monthly expenses. I cannot afford to refinance at a lower rate because I do not have the cash for the closing. It will just be a matter of time before I lose my home.


I have a Master's in Library Science, I make a nice salary but I cannot afford my home. Foreclosure is on the horizon and I do not believe I have any options but to lose my home. I feel like I have been robbed these past eight years.


The current bailout does not seem to be making its way to Main Street.
Hjordis, Durham, NC


I am a 42 year old single mother. I've been without a job for a year now. All my savings are dried up at this moment and I don't know how I am going to meet my rent for this month. I've started a vending business about three months ago with the perspective of getting a monthly stream of income, but at this moment i've jet to get all of my routes. I can not afford to shop at the supermarket, me and my daughter are living of the local food pantry. I have to cancel my cable and cook at least once a week to safe on my electric bill. I only pray that our next President is able to fix this and he will need all the help that he can get. It is a relieve to see that the gas prices went down. I try to keep a positive outlook on the situation, through my faith in God. I pray for our new President and helps to know that through him we have hope for the future. I hope my story will help someone to see that eventough we in this situation all hope is not lost. We all have to have faith that it will get better, because of the faith that we have as americans.
Linda, Marietta


My story started with a layoff (11 of 25 employees) from a small biotech company outside of Philadelphia in June 2007. It took me 5 months to find a permanent position with a salary in alignment with my experience. In the 5 months it took me to find this job, I lost everything.


I am a divorced mother of three. When I divorced, I was doing well financially (I do not receive alimony) and purchased a townhouse for myself and children. When I lost my job, the savings were gone instantly as Unemployment Benefits did not cover much. As the mortgage got 2 months and then 3 months behind, I had no idea what we would do. I could not find a way to stay afloat. In desperation, I sent my younger children to live with their father. I did not want them to go though the horrifying process of 'mom falling apart at the seams' because we were about to have nowhere to live. My oldest child went to live with family friends (he was 16 at the time).


The economic meltdown was causing a complete meltdown of me and my family. The mental stress and anxiety became too much for me I and made two attempts on my life. Two days before Christmas Dec 2007, I had to be out of my house for good. My van was repossessed as well. I was no longer allowed to see my younger children due to my suicide attempts. My depression was all consuming. I did not eat or sleep well for months. I filed for bankruptcy and hoped the New Year would offer some ray of hope.


Today, 02Dec2008, I am employed. I am renting a place with my oldest son. My two little ones still live with Dad. He has not allowed them to return to live with me and I do not have the finances to fight him. I miss them every moment. Although money is extremely tight (I am starting a second job this week), we are making it.
Kimberly, Conyngham

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- bngood40 I'm a Fan of bngood40 3 fans permalink

Please remember that everytime we have a Republican in the White House for a term of 8 years we have a recession or a depression. When are the American people going to realize that the Republicans don't know anything about maintaining an economy. They also don't know anything about governing, all they know is how to control. There is a distinct difference between the two.
Now there are millions of Americans facing miserable futures. If you think that the occupant in the white house and his administration had nothing to do with the current financial meltdown then you obviously don't know that Ben Bernanke is the world's leading authority on the Great Depression and also in 1970 Mr. Bernanke create a "Computer Accelerated Economy Model." This computer program would allow you to introduce stimuli to the economic model to see what the outcome would be on the economy in the future.Out of all of the economists in this nation why would George W. Bush chose Bernanke? Everything we do is done for a reason!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:16 AM on 12/05/2008
- Artemis34 I'm a Fan of Artemis34 133 fans permalink
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They know about maintaining the economy they want. The massive transfer of wealth from the people to the few at the top. They make out like bandits because they are bandits.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:00 AM on 12/05/2008

What amazes me about the banks and their fear of "risky" loans to small businesses and large.
They weren't afraid of risk when they were playing the stock market.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:11 AM on 12/05/2008
- Caliwoman I'm a Fan of Caliwoman 9 fans permalink

Hang in there everyone. Please be kind to yourselves. I'm speechless.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:11 AM on 12/05/2008

I so agree!!!
We must stand together, help one another, be a united front!
This is so sad .I too, am speechless.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:49 PM on 12/07/2008

Bueno- This Economic crunch is Good- It creates a leveling effect. Homes were overpriced. The rich were too rich. Now there is some hope. cheers harry

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:04 AM on 12/05/2008
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It's not "the rich" who are suffering.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:09 AM on 12/05/2008
- AZ4thatone I'm a Fan of AZ4thatone 7 fans permalink
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"Now there is some hope." What do you mean? These people are losing everything they've worked for their entire lives. These are not CEO's, they are middle to upper class people that had jobs! I am so sorry this is happening. The bank bail out did NOTHING for us. The banks kept all the money and they still aren't lending. In fact, the banks are doing just the opposite. Where does it end?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:05 AM on 12/05/2008

Jobs, Jobs, Jobs. And we should all cross our fingers and knock on wood.
Fewer companies monopolizing various industries is another one of the reasons (along with outsourcing and others) there's less competition for labor that would help increase wages and benefits.
Big business does everything to reduce competition.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:03 AM on 12/05/2008
- Artemis34 I'm a Fan of Artemis34 133 fans permalink
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Even though they always say they are in favor of competition when it works in their favor.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:06 AM on 12/05/2008
- LHoney I'm a Fan of LHoney 42 fans permalink
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That's where the bank bailout money went - they used it to buy smaller banks, thereby coming closer to monopolies. What a country!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:19 AM on 12/05/2008

These stories are appalling. Things are really tight for me and my family, but we're doing great compared to the stories above. I work for a Workforce Center that serves a two county area of around 800,000 people near a major metro area in the central USA. Obama's election is fantastic for the nation, because I have heard we are going to get a massive infusion of cash from the federal government to put people back to work. There will be lots of money flowing to infrastructure projects that will put people to work a la WPA programs of the early 30's and more coming to stimulate the growth of the emergent New Energy industry. Still, in this last bleak year of Neoconservative rule, I've seen the number of people on our rolls rise from 19,000 and change to pushing 80,000. There are over three job seekers for every one open job. These repulsive criminals in power have almost gutted our middle class - make no mistake - that's who wrote these stories; members of our once great middle class. The same that made us the envy of the world.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:33 PM on 12/04/2008

These people are members of the once "solid" middle class. Second and third generation Americans, whose families instilled the work ethic of" work hard and you will be rewarded". It appears that wall street and the Bush people did not grow up that way.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:44 PM on 12/04/2008

"get a massive infusion of cash from the federal government to put people back to work. There will be lots of money flowing to infrastructure projects "

And where these money will come from?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:40 AM on 12/05/2008

You question the fiscal policy, but you refuse to question the neocon leaders whose careers are backed by the Federal Reserve private printing press. Good point that we can't just create wealth out of thin air. Remember that those leaders you apparently believe in only pretend to believe in the conservative values you cherish.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:55 AM on 12/05/2008

My spouse and I are so very lucky to still have a jobs. She lost her job in Oct 07, but she fortunately found work within one month. My employer is facing a 10-20% budget cut this FY; teachers and a staff will hit the streets, soon, with little prospect of another job. I am 57 with heart condition. My 28 year struggles on a barista's salary; he feels dang lucky; he's an honor graduate from a good college. My 24 year old has no job no transportation, but $10K worth of student loans. But at least I can still feed him...for now

My other relatives have not been so lucky. Brother in-law lost a 20+ year old, respected construction business in SoCal. He employed dozens, made a good (not outrageous) salary to support his family. Why did he fold? No credit, to secure even building supplies to finish partially built homes. Now? His family teeters on breaking up under the stress.

Welcome to the brave new world. Something needs to be done.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:30 PM on 12/04/2008

My brother-in-law openned his own building business about 3 yrs ago. They are having the same problems. I think his business is hanging on by a thread. His wife's business is doing fine. They have twins in college going to medical school. I don't know how they are going to make it. They are both extremely smart but I dunno. 2 through med school. That is alot to worry about. But am sure they'll make it somehow.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:33 AM on 12/05/2008

why don't the oil companies bail out the auto makers?

why don't the property taxes go down when the value of your house goes down?

why isn't medicine more affordable?

why can't zoning laws be changed to allow vacant inner city lots to become gardens?

Why is it so difficult for sick people, especially veterans, to get SSDI and disability they deserve?

if the US economy is mainly based on consumer spending, why not send each of us money to live on and spend to survive? I promise you, that would make a more positive impact than writing a blank check to Paulsen

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:30 PM on 12/04/2008
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The houses in my neighborhood are listed for under $130,000 and not selling.

Yet, I received my property tax bill last week that placed my home's value at $179,000 ($4000 MORE than last year).

When I called to protest, I was told there was a 30-day window during which I could appeal the valuation, between May 1 and June 1, 2009 and that I had to bring documentation, i.e. pay $500 for an appraisal.

Why does the homeowner have to bear the cost of proving the value has gone down when the assessor can run a printout of sales prices for homes in any neighborhood?

Be it National, State, City, or County government, they are all rigged against individual citizens (at least against us little guys who aren't multi-MILL­ION/BILLIO­N-aires.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:48 PM on 12/04/2008

They are looking for money from someplace.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:34 AM on 12/05/2008
- mymatrix I'm a Fan of mymatrix 6 fans permalink

Several years ago during the last housing downturn, our Prop taxes were lowered. We didn't have to get an appraisal, it was just done across the board, a percentage drop in value for the county. I'm going to call tomorrow.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:03 AM on 12/05/2008
- gwhizz I'm a Fan of gwhizz 20 fans permalink

why don't the property taxes go down when the value of your house goes down?


They do. This is why many municipalities are in trouble. This is why school districts are hurting all over the country.
They might not go down as much as you think they should, but they go down.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:11 AM on 12/05/2008
- Leedox I'm a Fan of Leedox 4 fans permalink

I'm sorry America I had no idea it was so bad.

Australia hasn't suffered as badly as America but things are getting tighter. Groceries cost more and rents are rising. I think we will go into a mild recession but the gov't is working on stimulating the economy and the reserve bank has lowered lending rates again by a full 1%. We are still the lucky country but if commodities fall any further we may not be feeling quite so lucky.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:06 PM on 12/04/2008

It is not as bad. You are reading the stories of people who for one reason or another fell on the hard times. Majority of the people are fine. Concerned over economy, afraid for their jobs but not hungry or living in tents.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:25 AM on 12/05/2008
- Artemis34 I'm a Fan of Artemis34 133 fans permalink
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Republicans and conservatives see any exploitation of poor and working class people as okay. The poor and working class are getting what they deserve in their Calvinist view (1). This is how Barbara Bush could actually say of the people suffering in New Orleans "this is working out very well for them." http://www.snopes.com/politics/quotes/barbara2.asp

Note (1) "The basic principles of Calvinism, a doctrine held and promulgated by some of our earliest settlers, hold that all men are totally depraved, but some are saved and others damned, at God's pleasure and not necessarily with any explanation. Furthermore, this grace is irresistible and permanent, so if you're among the saved Elect, no action can place you among the damned Preterite. At its most extreme, this doctrine is known as antinomianism, the doctrine that the Elect are free of all constraint by laws." http://www.plastic.com/article.html;sid=04/05/18/12374288 Diana "Obviously, you can guess who they think the Elect is, top 1/10 of 1% of wealthy and they suppose the rest of us are the Preterite.­"

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:34 AM on 12/05/2008
- Artemis34 I'm a Fan of Artemis34 133 fans permalink
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ProudNeoCon "It is not as bad." Please site a basis for your [erroneous] opinion. Where is your evidence?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:55 AM on 12/05/2008

Well good luck Australia. I hope what we have doesn't spread to you all.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:35 AM on 12/05/2008
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I am wondering that how this $700 Billion bail out is supposed to help hardworking people across this country who lost a lot because of the greed of a few. I think Washington is far a way from the reality of America's main street problems. All they are trying to do is to put the debt cycle back to work. People borrow, so they can shop around with the money that won't be able to pay back. Invest that bailout money on capital ventures, inventions, new technologies, and let the American innovation creates real jobs for people of this country, so they can pay for their life without excessive borrowing.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:01 PM on 12/04/2008

My heart shrivels at the thought of all the scoundrels at the top, but heartens at the idea of maybe having our generations FDR/AbeLincoln to soften the blows. Faith and hope are our most precious resources. Above all we need to be caring towards one another and sane. The next year will be the last one of any normalicy that many will remember for a long time. As a reader of J. H. Kunstler's books and blogs I have to second him and say that the change so embraced for our country will be great, but not particularly what everyone thought it would be. Like him I am hopeful for the best despite all of the worst. Sometimes its the worst that brings out the best.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:01 PM on 12/04/2008

Billions to the bankers, Billions to the big three in their jets for unsustainable SUVs? I saw a prominent economist on a late night comedy show explain that "we live under capitalism for the poor, and socialism for the rich"... thats it in a nutshell, those without are expected to pull themselves up by their trickled down upon bootstraps and those that have getting what they have from taxpayer money! Enough! Corporate welfare did not happen overnight, Reagonomics enabled it and many politicians. lawyers and judges carried it into being. The lie of the bright city on a hill will reveal itself, but not until we have become throroughly third world. We did not get here overnight, but for many it will appear that way. I think better days are ahead, but only if we face the music (and the truth) head on. My heart goes out to everyone sharing their experiences.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:01 PM on 12/04/2008
- Artemis34 I'm a Fan of Artemis34 133 fans permalink
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In many measures, the US is already behind the 3rd world. Check out Best Places for Working Women:

http://www.forbes.com/video/?video=fvn/lifestyle/cw_gender111208&partner=email

Countries like Mozambique and Trinidad & Tobago beat the US by a wide margin. The US was 27th worldwide.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:45 AM on 12/05/2008
- neocon666 I'm a Fan of neocon666 68 fans permalink

There's a general consensus among historians and sociologists that if WWII had not started, which ended the Great Depression, there would have been a revolution in the United State. I truly hope it's not too late to stop the economic slide the republicans started, but even if it were to stop today, there are so many businesses that have already gone under that there's no place for many of the people out of work now to go. Not to mention the huge number of good paying jobs have been shipped overseas over the last 8 years.

The only good thing to come out of George W. Bush's administration is Barack Obama.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:56 PM on 12/04/2008
- mimsnpips I'm a Fan of mimsnpips 10 fans permalink
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It very well may be as you say, but for my information can you cite a few sources that form the consensus you speak of?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:02 AM on 12/05/2008

Well did you hear about Jeb Bush's suggestion that the republicans run a shadow government. How about that. They ruin the country and they want to run a shadow government. Wake up america. If the people don't stop fighting left and right we will destroy our own country. All because of social issues that really should not even be on the table.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:38 AM on 12/05/2008
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My little sister, who is incredibly hardworking and amazingly intelligent, has been dreaming of being a doctor since the tender age of 11. She just entered University of Maryland, Baltimore County and she is so excited because they have a really good Pre-Med program there. But almost as soon as she gets in, the economy tanks. What can my sister do now?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:56 PM on 12/04/2008

Go to med school. The economy will have recovered by the time she has finished.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:18 PM on 12/04/2008
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My daughter just finished med school and is in her first year of residency. She worked at another job for 10 years before she followed her passion We are retired, she had to borrow everything that some scholarships did not cover. Huge debt. The medical field is changing rapidly..w­ho knows when she will be able to repay that horrendous debt. Still...it is a profession that will continue. I am proud of her and am scared for her..but I would still encourage this other child to get her medical education.­.she has many years ahead of her and if she has to borrow, hopefully she can. It is a tough and long row to hoe. Congrats for your sister tho...tell her to keep at it, if she quits she will always regret it.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:35 PM on 12/04/2008

My nieces are going to go on to dental school after the finish the first 4 yrs. I pray they make it. They are so very smart. They both go to the University of Maryland.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:40 AM on 12/05/2008
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Grandparents survived the depression, and we learned from them. We have zero debt and threw every penny we had at our mortgage until we got it paid it off. It took 7 years. LIkewise with our cars. They are old vehicles, but we own them.

Husband started his own business 9 years ago, incorporated it in his second year of business. I can tell you there is a HUGE difference in doing business during the Clinton years vs. the Bush years. Right now, we are still getting contracts but some of the companies that we do the work for are simply not paying. We do the work, and they don't pay. We spend a lot of time on collections when we want to be spending time on getting now jobs and fulfilling existing obligations.

We pay $4,500 a year for private pay health insurance that is basically unusable because the deductible is very high to keep the premiums down. The only reason we have it is because we are terrified that without insurance, one of us may become ill and wind up losing our house in order to pay for treatment.

How about you, Cheney, who had what was it FOUR heart bypass operations? It took them that long to find your black little shriveled heart, didn't it? And I'll bet honest taxpayers paid for this excellent healthcare, too. Politicians should have to pay for their own health insurance or do without just like the rest of us do.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:52 PM on 12/04/2008

They pay for their health insurance just like all civil servants do. How did you do under the Clinton administration? I didn't own a business but I will tell you for my family we did well with the Clinton administration.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:43 AM on 12/05/2008
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