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JEANNINE AVERSA | December 5, 2008 06:27 PM EST | AP

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Vic Toribio of Alameda, Calif., reads a job listing at the One-Stop Career Center Friday, Dec. 5, 2008, in Oakland, Calif. Skittish employers slashed 533,000 jobs in November, the most in 34 years, catapulting the unemployment rate to 6.7 percent, dramatic proof the country is careening deeper into recession. (AP Photo/Ben Margot)

WASHINGTON — An alarming half-million American jobs vanished virtually in a flash last month, the worst mass layoffs in over a third of a century, as economic carnage spread ever faster and the nation hurtled toward what could be the hardest hard times since the Great Depression.

Underscoring Friday's dismaying signs of a rapidly deteriorating economy, General Motors announced yet more job cuts, and a record number of homeowners were reported behind on mortgage payments or in foreclosure.

Somehow Wall Street found a silver lining, betting that so much bad news would force fresh government action to revive the foundering economy. The Dow Jones industrial rose 259 points.

Staring at 533,000 lost jobs, economists were anything but hopeful. Since the start of the recession last December, the economy has shed 1.9 million jobs, and the number of unemployed people has increased by 2.7 million _ to 10.3 million now out of work.

Some analysts predict 3 million more jobs will be lost between now and the spring of 2010 _ and that the once-humming U.S. economy could stagger backward at a shocking 6 percent rate for the current three-month quarter.

"The economy is in a free fall," said Richard Yamarone of Argus Research. "It is as if someone flicked off the switch on hiring."

"It's a mess," said Mark Zandi, chief economist at Moody's Economy.com. "Businesses, battening down the hatches, are concerned about their survival and are cutting workers."

President-elect Barack Obama said the crisis "is likely to get worse before it gets better," and no one was going to argue that point. Economists predicted the unemployment rate, which rose to a 15-year high of 6.7 percent in November, could soar as high as 10 percent before skittish employers begin hiring again.

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The jobless rate would have bolted to 7 percent for the month if not for the exodus of 422,000 people from the work force for any number of reasons _ going back to school, retiring or simply abandoning job searches out of sheer frustration. When people stop looking, they're no longer counted in the unemployment rate.

The rate was at 4.7 percent just one year ago, 6.5 percent in October.

Employment shrank in virtually every part of the economy _ factories, construction companies, financial firms, accounting and bookkeeping, architectural and engineering firms, hotels and motels, food services, retailers, temporary help, transportation, publishing, janitorial and building maintenance, and even waste management. The few fields spared included education, health care and government.

The United States _ already in recession for a year, may not be out of it until the spring of 2010 _ making for the longest downturn since the Great Depression of the 1930s, economists are now saying. Recessions in the mid-1970s and early 1980s last 16 months.

Unemployment peaked at 10.8 percent in 1982, terrible but still a far cry from the Depression, when roughly one in four Americans were out of work.

That said, more pain is certainly in store. Fresh evidence:

_ A record one in 10 American homeowners with a mortgage was either at least a month behind on payments or in foreclosure at the end of September, the Mortgage Bankers Association reported.

_ General Motors, already pleading with Congress for billions of dollars to survive the month, said it would lay off an additional 2,000 workers as it cuts shifts at three car factories starting in February due to slowing demand for GM cars.

President George W. Bush, who used the word "recession" for the first time to describe the economy's state, pledged Friday to explore more efforts to ease housing, credit and financial stresses.

"There is still more work to do," Bush said. "My administration is committed to ensuring that our economy succeeds."

President-elect Obama said the dismal job news underscored the need for forceful action, even as he warned that the pain could not be quickly relieved.

"There are no quick or easy fixes to this crisis ... and it's likely to get worse before it gets better," Obama said. "At the same time, this ... provides us with an opportunity to transform our economy to improve the lives of ordinary people by rebuilding roads and modernizing schools for our children, investing in clean energy solutions to break our dependence on imported oil, and making an early down payment on the long-term reforms that will grow and strengthen our economy for all Americans for years to come."

On a personal level, right before Thanksgiving, Mark Pierce, 51, who was executive pastor at a church in Mansfield, Ohio, was given a choice: get laid off or take a lesser job with a roughly 40 percent pay cut. His last day of work was Tuesday.

"Anyone in that situation looks at it very personally," he said. "You say, 'Is this a cut across the board, or it just me?'"

It's not just him.

Employers are slashing costs as they cope with sagging sales in the U.S. and in other countries, which are struggling with their own economic troubles.

In recent days, AT&T Inc., DuPont, JPMorgan Chase & Co., as well as jet engine maker Pratt & Whitney, a subsidiary of United Technologies Corp., and mining company Freeport-McMoRan Copper & Gold Inc. all have announced layoffs.

Tom Solso, chief executive of Columbus, Ind.-based manufacturer Cummins Inc., said Friday the company planned to cut 500 jobs, or about 3.5 percent of its work force despite other cost-cutting moves such as temporarily shutting down plants, shortening work weeks and extending holiday shutdowns.

Fighting for survival, the chiefs of Chrysler LLC, General Motors Corp. and Ford Motor Co. returned to Capitol Hill Friday to again ask lawmakers for as much as $34 billion in emergency aid.

Workers with jobs did see modest wage gains in November. Average hourly earnings rose to $18.30, a 0.4 percent increase from the previous month. Over the year, wages have grown 3.7 percent, but paychecks haven't stretched that far because of high prices for energy, food and other items.

Federal Reserve Chairman Ben Bernanke is now expected ratchet down a key interest rate _ near a historic low of 1 percent _ by at least a half-percentage point on Dec. 16 in a bid to breathe life into the moribund economy. Bernanke is exploring other economic revival options and wants the government to step up efforts to curb home foreclosures.

Treasury Secretary Henry Paulson, whose department oversees the $700 billion financial bailout program, also is weighing new initiatives such as tapping the second half of that rescue money to ease the economic crisis.

Obama, who takes office on Jan. 20, has called for a massive economic recovery bill to generate 2.5 million jobs over his first two years in office. House Speaker Nancy Pelosi, D-Calif., has vowed to have a package ready on Inauguration Day for Obama's signature.

The measure, which could total $500 billion, would bankroll big public works projects to create jobs, provide aid to states to help with Medicaid costs, and provide money toward renewable energy development.

For now that's cold comfort to Gary Cope, 33, who lost his communications job this week at Roanoke, Va.-based high-tech research and development company Luna Innovations Inc.

Cope was called into a meeting first thing Thursday morning. The message: He was being laid off, for financial reasons, effective immediately.

He left with a box of his belongings and about two months' severance. As Cope walked out the door, all he could think was, "I have a 3-year-old son and I'm a single dad."

"I came home and did my initial pity party, then I got myself together, talked to my family and went right to work" rewriting his resume and sending it out, Cope said.

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AP writers Christopher S. Rugaber, Ellen Simon and Chris Leonard contributed to this report.

WASHINGTON — An alarming half-million American jobs vanished virtually in a flash last month, the worst mass layoffs in over a third of a century, as economic carnage spread ever faster and the ...
WASHINGTON — An alarming half-million American jobs vanished virtually in a flash last month, the worst mass layoffs in over a third of a century, as economic carnage spread ever faster and the ...
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- abby4ever I'm a Fan of abby4ever 266 fans permalink
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The more posts I read from those who describe the situation where they live, the more I realize how terrible, and how terribly widespread, this economic crisis is. It is bad in some parts of the UK but I think not quite as bad as there.

Over here the gov't is fighting with the big take-the-money-and-run banks, who won't pass interest rate cuts on to their customers, this after snatching their money in a bailout. They have learned nothing. And this is what disturbs me. The more bailouts there are, the less incentive their will be for these big banks and other companies in other sectors, to mend their ways. There will be a next time because they weren't punished hard enough (if at all) this time, and the next time will sound just like this time: "We're too big to fail! Think of the job losses!"

As they cry into their beer and stuff bailout and bonus money into their pockets...

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:28 AM on 12/05/2008
- MIMom I'm a Fan of MIMom 110 fans permalink
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It's a pretty bad situation. I don't know where it's a good place to be.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:42 AM on 12/05/2008
- bayside I'm a Fan of bayside 40 fans permalink
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Next time someone says we need experience people in our govt. show them what Cheney, Rumsfield ,Mccain etc experienced people did to us..

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:27 AM on 12/05/2008
- Sabreen60 I'm a Fan of Sabreen60 70 fans permalink
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I don't think "experience" is the problem. IMO, morality is what's been missing. Many in gov't and the public have the "me" attitude - I've got mine - if you don't have yours too bad.

These are the same people who call liberals who care "bleeding hearts". They don't believe in "I am my brother's (sister's) keeper.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:15 PM on 12/05/2008
- dandypuddin I'm a Fan of dandypuddin 187 fans permalink
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I started crying during Obama's DNC speech when he said that. We have truly forgotten. Maybe this crisis will remind us what is really important this December.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:20 PM on 12/05/2008
- Revee I'm a Fan of Revee 5 fans permalink

Amen to that! You are exactly right.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:40 PM on 12/05/2008
- DocJerome I'm a Fan of DocJerome 22 fans permalink

The unemployment rate is far higher than 6.7 percent. This is gaming the system math. I'd say the actual unemployment rate is between 12 and 13 percent. This is one final F-U by Bush Administration and all those greedy Wall Street corporate CEO's with tens of millions in the bank to get out of what is fast becoming, a cesspool of poverty, desperation and despair.

The fat cats at Halliburton have already set up shop in Dubai, . . . have anyone of you been there lately? That city's skyline and infrastructure are doing just fine, . . . just fine indeed.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:26 AM on 12/05/2008
- DuganS1 I'm a Fan of DuganS1 20 fans permalink

On what basis do you think the unemployment rate is higher than 6.7%? A few people have posted that the unemployment rate only includes those that are receiving unemployment insurance but that is wrong. The unemployment rate includes all those who aren't working but are activity seeking employment.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:35 AM on 12/05/2008
- dandypuddin I'm a Fan of dandypuddin 187 fans permalink
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How?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:10 PM on 12/05/2008
- DocJerome I'm a Fan of DocJerome 22 fans permalink

Statistics are compiled based on people filing for unemployment benefits, and we all know that once the duration for benefits runs out, those people are expunged from the data and are no longer eligible for the benefits. Also, entrepreneurs in business for themselves (DBA's and many LLC's) are not accounted for in these numbers. Finally, in NYC, many employers skirt unemployment by hiring part time and provisional staff. The practice is widespread.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:14 PM on 12/05/2008
- Sabreen60 I'm a Fan of Sabreen60 70 fans permalink
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How do the statisticians know how many people are 'seeking employment'? The best they can do is "estimate" based on those receiving unemployment compensation, which only lasts for a few months. Every economist knows that the numbers are conversative.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:27 PM on 12/05/2008
- DocJerome I'm a Fan of DocJerome 22 fans permalink

Please excuse the bad grammar, I am so angry I can't blog straight.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:35 AM on 12/05/2008
- jsgaetano I'm a Fan of jsgaetano 218 fans permalink
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It's the Bush Boom!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:09 AM on 12/05/2008
- Viper I'm a Fan of Viper 304 fans permalink

Tax cuts for the rich and massive deficits work just fine, along with free trade!

Regards

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:27 PM on 12/05/2008

What if all of us accepted some blame? It is as if no one saw this coming...

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:59 AM on 12/05/2008
- comacoma I'm a Fan of comacoma 15 fans permalink

I knew I should've purchased a Hummer and a 60" flat screen TV instead of paying my bills....

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:03 AM on 12/05/2008
- rubinoff I'm a Fan of rubinoff 54 fans permalink

Hey, I paid/pay my bills 'on time'...Makes no difference that We abided by all the rules, .... will still get caught up in this 'mess.' Only have 1 credit card because the powers that be said that it was a must...So much for being a decent citizen, that and a bag of chips will get me where???

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:08 AM on 12/05/2008
- dandypuddin I'm a Fan of dandypuddin 187 fans permalink
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Sorry, the effects of greed seem to hit everyone. Well, except the wealthy, of course.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:12 PM on 12/05/2008
- comacoma I'm a Fan of comacoma 15 fans permalink

The legacy of bush and his republican handlers writ large in blood in the sands of Iraq and in plain old black and white on the unemployment checks of hundreds of thousands of US citizens... hope you greedy b a s t a r d s are proud of yourselves.... republicans are the enemy.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:59 AM on 12/05/2008
- MNCurler I'm a Fan of MNCurler 6 fans permalink

Just curious- who are you going to blame for the next 4 years. It's great that you want to keep perpetuating the "us against them" mentality- that's so productive. How will you keep all of your anger in check now that the Republicans are pretty much out of the scene and the Democrats have carte blanche?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:09 AM on 12/05/2008
- brynn6 I'm a Fan of brynn6 12 fans permalink

The same ones are good for at least the next four years. Gotta stay angry and not let anyone "forget" who caused all of these disasters so it doesn't happen again anytime soon. BTW, your party perfected the "us against them" mentality over the last eight years, so don't even try to go there.

Why is Bush "out of the scene" and why are the Republican members of Congress still obstructing? No carte blanche has been achieved. Write your representatives and tell them to get off their @sses and work with the rest of us.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:18 AM on 12/05/2008
- comacoma I'm a Fan of comacoma 15 fans permalink

I will remain angry with republicans. In case you haven't noticed they have been instrumental in the near destruction of our military, our economy, our education system and health care. They deserve blame and they should be held accountable. Forgive and forget is for those who can afford that luxury... and most US citizens can't afford any luxuries at all.

Additionally, your precious republicans are not out of the scene, have advocated establishing a shadow government (Jeb Bush) and continue to seek to deny basic human and civil rights to large populations of our citizenry... hypocrites, liars and thieves... our tolerance for republican "ethics and morals" needs to end.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:29 AM on 12/05/2008

Bush created the problem, Obama is will spend the first four trying to clean it up.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:38 AM on 12/05/2008
- mjtaylor22 I'm a Fan of mjtaylor22 45 fans permalink
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8 YEARS OF MIS MANAGEMENT, WILL TAKE 12 YEARS TO FIX,

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:00 PM on 12/05/2008
- dandypuddin I'm a Fan of dandypuddin 187 fans permalink
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Truly you can't be Happy about the state of affair Bush has left us to clean up. Aren't you just a little angry? Or scared? If not, can a get your Rx? I'd like to escape from reality for a while too.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:17 PM on 12/05/2008
- mjtaylor22 I'm a Fan of mjtaylor22 45 fans permalink
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VERY GFEW OF THE UNEMPLOYED AMERICANS ARE ACTUALLY RECEIVING A CHECK AT ALL

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:13 PM on 12/05/2008
- rkimball I'm a Fan of rkimball 5 fans permalink

this is only the begining of a long & deep recession. in my town, four plants shut down in less than a month. the whole town is devistated. nobody has any money. about 200 families lost their homes & are now living in their cars. mc donald's had a position open & about 100 people showed up to fight for one minimum wage job.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:43 AM on 12/05/2008
- brynn6 I'm a Fan of brynn6 12 fans permalink

Geez! Where are you located? (If you don't mind saying?)

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:49 AM on 12/05/2008
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Well, I dont know where rkimball is but here in MI it is the same way. There are cities here that have HALF of the homes foreclosed on. So many people lost their jobs and business once the auto plants shut down. They do not have enough beds at the homeless shelters and whole families are living in cars. Schools and hosptials are closing. Even the libraries are closing......

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:52 AM on 12/05/2008
- rkimball I'm a Fan of rkimball 5 fans permalink

georgia.
it don't do much good to bailout the big three or the banks if the nation is devistated. first priority should be a wpa or ccc project to put americans back to work rebuilding our infrastructure rather than bailing out the auto industry & banks.

without disposable income consumers can't spend. provide the income & the people will spend again & there will be no need for bailouts.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:55 AM on 12/05/2008
- rubinoff I'm a Fan of rubinoff 54 fans permalink

For sure, the whole country is in a dire/pitiful state...If it hasn't happened in your neck of the woods, not to worry, it's just around the bend.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:01 AM on 12/05/2008
- abby4ever I'm a Fan of abby4ever 266 fans permalink
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May I ask which state you live in?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:18 AM on 12/05/2008
- Sundialsvc4 I'm a Fan of Sundialsvc4 144 fans permalink

The Great Depression of 2008 is finally here ... maybe it will be tagged "2009" and maybe not ... but it will be an economic disaster that will affect countries all around the world that have permitted themselves to become too-tightly interlocked ... and too dependent on credit.

"Credit," though, has been used repeatedly as a way to literally -manufacture- money. And the US Federal Government, unfortunately, is one of the biggest consumers of that "money." Today alone, "the guv'mint" will "borrow from itself' much more than $1,440,000,000.00. Just -today-. And tomorrow will be the same.

The root cause of this problem is what "Ike" Eisenhower warned us about: "war itself." It's an industry worth billions of dollars a day as long as war never ends. With that kind of "income," all of it coming from "borrowed" (sic...) cash, nothing else seems to matter. Huge factories turn out billions of bullets a month just so that soldiers can train to kill one another. "How much does one atomic bomb actually cost?"

But there is another root cause too: the notion that "all this money" is actually real. That we can build factories "far, far away" and pay for whatever we want with phony money and make our livelihood on "services."

Bunk.

"We Can Do It!" But we'd better hang the leprechaun first.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:40 AM on 12/05/2008
- rubinoff I'm a Fan of rubinoff 54 fans permalink

Thank you, well stated...:)...We use to be a manufacturing country, now, more or less, a 'service.' country.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:04 AM on 12/05/2008
- DuganS1 I'm a Fan of DuganS1 20 fans permalink

Military spending has nothing to do with our current economic and credit related problems.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:36 AM on 12/05/2008
- luvobama I'm a Fan of luvobama 264 fans permalink

It most certainly does. Imagine if we went into that kind of debt, improving our own country. Can you imagine what kind of jobs could have been created? How about our educational system? I would love to see what our schools and universities could have done with that amount of money.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:46 AM on 12/05/2008

Apparently you can't do basic math. Add up the 10-12 billion a month for the duration of the Iraq invasion and botched occupation (not even including what will end up being trillions taking care of all the injured vets over their lifetimes).

None of which even had to happen, which is the most pathetic aspect of it.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:26 PM on 12/05/2008
- dandypuddin I'm a Fan of dandypuddin 187 fans permalink
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Deficit and debt. Might be related to the economy. Maybe not.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:31 PM on 12/05/2008
- iPolitics I'm a Fan of iPolitics 33 fans permalink

George W. Bush

Worst President in the History of the United States of America

James Buchanan and Herbert Hoover rejoice.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:40 AM on 12/05/2008
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I heard an interview with a descendant of Buchanan on NPR and he was kinda happy that Bush came along.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:53 AM on 12/05/2008
- comacoma I'm a Fan of comacoma 15 fans permalink

hmmm.. clearing the family name through the misery of hundreds of thousands of citizens.... why am I not surprised.... typical of the political class(less).

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:02 AM on 12/05/2008
- rkimball I'm a Fan of rkimball 5 fans permalink

what depression! bush just purchased a $5 million dollar home in dallas.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:00 AM on 12/05/2008
- comacoma I'm a Fan of comacoma 15 fans permalink

Bet he got a low, low interest rate too...unless Halliburton and KBR bought it for him....

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:05 AM on 12/05/2008
- dandypuddin I'm a Fan of dandypuddin 187 fans permalink
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I wonder if it was a foreclosure. Fitting if it were.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:32 PM on 12/05/2008
- nellie I'm a Fan of nellie 502 fans permalink
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The unemployment rate is much higher than 6.7 percent. Administrations have been gaming the way people out of work are counted for a long time, and the Bush Administration is the all-time champion of leaving people out of the count. I've seen adjusted unemployment rates—that attempt to count people who have given up on job hunting and other categories that should be included—as high as 10 percent.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:36 AM on 12/05/2008
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Here is a great website that uses the old formulas and true number for GDP, Unemployment rates, etc.

http://www.shadowstats.com/

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:39 AM on 12/05/2008
- nellie I'm a Fan of nellie 502 fans permalink
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That's a fascinating site. Thank you.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:40 AM on 12/05/2008
- brandon102 I'm a Fan of brandon102 13 fans permalink

Thank you George Bush, for this lovely parting gift to the American People.

By the way, with all these folks out of work you'd think there would be some major rush to get everybody healthcare coverage. I've been following the "Healthcare for All" project of Team Obama and so far they've made a blog, a Web Cloud, and 2 lovely 3-minute videos. As far as what they're going to do -- NOTHING WHATSOEVER.

I really would like Obama to get us some universal healthcare coverage, and obviously going through employers isn't going to work since so many people don't have such a thing and can't afford COBRA. So please, Mr. Obama and Ms. Pelosi, could you have SOMETHING for the healthcare of us American citizens ready to go as soon as Barak takes office? Maybe shave just a little off the financial bailout? I bet some of those Wall Streeters could live with $10 million condos instead of $15 million condos.

I expected a hell of a lot more, and faster. Yes I know he's not president yet, but you can bet the Insurance and Pharmaceutical industries are getting ready at full speed already. George Bush took us to war with a signing statement & got the money in what, half an hour? Isn't healthcare more important? It's hard to stay healthy living on the streets, since being evicted since your job ended & they threw you out of your apartment. Please?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:34 AM on 12/05/2008
- nellie I'm a Fan of nellie 502 fans permalink
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H.R. 676.

Let's push Congress to pass Medicare for All.
http://www.hr676.org/

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:42 AM on 12/05/2008

whats the residual force obama wants to leave in iraq????

i thought he would pull the troops out in 16 months????

what a joke..........hes a lia r

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:32 AM on 12/05/2008
- rubinoff I'm a Fan of rubinoff 54 fans permalink

Oh, I see, it's t.roll time. :(

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:35 AM on 12/05/2008
- nellie I'm a Fan of nellie 502 fans permalink
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A bitter one, at that.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:38 AM on 12/05/2008
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I see you got used to the Rovian fear policy and just can't quit.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:42 AM on 12/05/2008

the below the basement crowd ehh buddy...

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:52 AM on 12/05/2008
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Why are you drinking so early in the day??
Still bitter are we?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:55 AM on 12/05/2008
- rkimball I'm a Fan of rkimball 5 fans permalink

he may have no choice but to start a new war & put the entire unemployed nation in uniform. three hots & a cot. problem solved as what to do with the millions of unemployed.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:03 AM on 12/05/2008

you might be right......

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:13 AM on 12/05/2008

obama and bush share the same policies........

what is different between the two NOTHING

the agenda is the same....

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:27 AM on 12/05/2008
- nellie I'm a Fan of nellie 502 fans permalink
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???

A post with no truth in it.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:33 AM on 12/05/2008

then prove it wrong .....educate me please

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:34 AM on 12/05/2008

you tell yourself that to justify sleeping shall we say with the stepdaughter or sister?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:53 AM on 12/05/2008
- dandypuddin I'm a Fan of dandypuddin 187 fans permalink
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IGNORE this idi0t. He posts the same dumb things over and over just to get attention.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:34 PM on 12/05/2008
- mjtaylor22 I'm a Fan of mjtaylor22 45 fans permalink
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what are u talking about? do u even know, or are u just blowing steam and garbage to pass the time.
Bush is the President and our nation only has one gov't at a time.
I sure hope we can get allthe way out of IraQ, but not at the cost of soldiers lives unnecessarily, Obamaat least wants to get ut, where as Bush, was sitting on his ranch, sippign vodka, while our nations children fought in his mis guided war. with no plan for stabilization or no exit strategy.
with Obama as President we will develop an exit stragegy that is practical, and not just some lurch for the sake of satisfuing those who shoose to complain.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:43 PM on 12/05/2008

Terrible economy, but it could be worse.

Here is how a VP elect Palin would respond to the economic crisis:

Palin: Ameeerica is great. Full of hardworking, great Ameeericans and we have to shore up our economy, cut spending, holdin' people to account, but also too, gettin energy independent because, you know, that is going to keep us safe from the terrists who want to harm our great country, America. Up in Alaaaska, as opposed to down in Alaaaska, our economy as a whole, but also too, in this great country of America we have to put our great Ameeericans back to work. And ramping up education, cut spending, gettin energy independent, and holdin people to account will do that.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:27 AM on 12/05/2008
- rubinoff I'm a Fan of rubinoff 54 fans permalink

No pause in her statements, she just goes on and on and on...Doesn't even catch a breath...lol

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:33 AM on 12/05/2008

She would say: I am an expert in economics, I can see the unemployed from my porch.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:35 AM on 12/05/2008

lol

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:54 AM on 12/05/2008

I now have developed a new appreciation for the French Revolution. Poor Marie Antionette talked about cake vs. bread, while our own Bushette buys a 3 million spread in Dallas....that he will pay off in 4 years!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:27 AM on 12/05/2008
- brynn6 I'm a Fan of brynn6 12 fans permalink

Well, there goes the neighborhood.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:32 AM on 12/05/2008
- dandypuddin I'm a Fan of dandypuddin 187 fans permalink
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Yes, and the Treasury Department is eating the cake in the Cash Room. Sickening.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/12/05/treasury-dept-hosting-hol_n_148693.html

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:50 PM on 12/05/2008
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