Franken Scores: More Ballots Found In Democratic Stronghold

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First Posted: 12- 5-08 12:40 PM   |   Updated: 01- 5-09 05:12 AM

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Days after it was reported that 133 ballots were missing in the Minneapolis portion of the Minnesota Senate recount, local officials in the city said they had discovered a misplaced stack of ballots. Democratic sources in the state, meanwhile, say that this group of votes were not counted on the day of the election, meaning they will have a larger effect on the outcome of the recount.

By mid-day Friday a spokesperson for the city, Matt Laible, said that the envelope contained about 10 absentee ballots -- a small number compared to the total number of votes casts in the state, but potentially very significant. An hour or so later, Marc Elias, Franken's lawyer, declared that with all precincts recounted the campaign's internal numbers had them ahead by a mere four votes.

"We are moving on to the next stage of the process," said Elias. "We are not declaring victory."

As such, the findings of the missing absentee ballots -- which Laible said would not be tallied immediately -- are being cheered by Al Franken's campaign not merely because they come from a deeply Democratic area of the city and promise to bolster the vote total of the Democratic challenger. But over the past few weeks, the Franken team has been arguing that the recount process must be more comprehensive and thorough. Indeed, on a conference call with reporters, Elias announced that the campaign was sending a letter to officials in the state's 87 counties, urging them to redouble their efforts to look into missing ballots, including improperly rejected absentee ballots.

Earlier in the week, election officials discovered more than 170 ballots in Ramsey County that, once counted, added 37 votes to Franken's total. The disappearance of 133 ballots from Minneapolis, however, has thrust both campaigns into full-on political hysteria. During a conference call on Thursday, aides to Franken argued that the disappearance of these votes would effectively throw the election to Sen. Norm Coleman.

The Coleman camp's response, meanwhile, was a bit more confused. The Senator's lawyer, Fritz Knaak, declared on Thursday that they did "not know that there are any ballots missing, and it is premature and simply irresponsible to suggest that they are."

At the same time, the local press was reporting that instead of accidentally counting 133 ballots twice on Election Day (the alternative explanation for why those votes had gone missing) local officials had determined a single envelope of ballots was in fact missing.

This was the second time Knaak had misstated a recount-related issue. Four days after the election, he declared that a Minneapolis elections director had ridden around the city with 32 ballots in her car -- raising questions of her integrity -- when she discovered them after the election. It turned out, however, that the ballots had been transported properly back to Minneapolis City Hall from a precinct, before briefly being misplaced.

UPDATE: Talking Points Memo quotes a local election official saying that, if the state can't find the 133 ballots that are missing in Minneapolis, they may simply include the Election Night total for the precinct in place of a recount total. This would be a big victory for Franken as well, as he would "avoid losing a net 46 votes if [the ballots] were disregarded."

Days after it was reported that 133 ballots were missing in the Minneapolis portion of the Minnesota Senate recount, local officials in the city said they had discovered a misplaced stack of ballots. ...
Days after it was reported that 133 ballots were missing in the Minneapolis portion of the Minnesota Senate recount, local officials in the city said they had discovered a misplaced stack of ballots. ...
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- Loisebby I'm a Fan of Loisebby 2 fans permalink

Does anyone really care anymore. This damn thing is going to go on forever. Both of these clowns are not fit for office. What is wrong with Minnesota? A matter of fact where is Minnesota? Can someone grab a shovel and dig up Hubert - or find Jessie preening in front of a mirror. At least these two political cats were electable...

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:58 PM on 12/08/2008
- PSRinNJ2 I'm a Fan of PSRinNJ2 7 fans permalink

Of course more ballots were "found". More were "needed" for Franken to steal the election.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:32 PM on 12/08/2008
- viflyer I'm a Fan of viflyer 29 fans permalink

Do us all a favor and grow up! You sound like a five year old having a tantrum.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:47 PM on 12/08/2008
- PSRinNJ2 I'm a Fan of PSRinNJ2 7 fans permalink

Gee, I guess you all weren't having tantrums during the last two elections. You grow up. This election is being blatantly, brazenly stolen.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:00 PM on 12/08/2008

How is it that ballots can go....missing?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:39 PM on 12/08/2008

that's what I wanna know.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:29 PM on 12/08/2008

By people hiding them.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:03 AM on 12/09/2008
- lenoirlady I'm a Fan of lenoirlady 12 fans permalink

I wish no more for Al Franken that the vote be counted properly and that none of the previous smarmy actions by the R Party by tolerated. Fight to the end for open, fair election process! I wish to God, frequently, that Al Gore had fought a bit harder. We WOULD NOT be in this national crisis. NEVER give up to the Republican Party. They have been in office each and every time we have experienced Deep recession or Depression. What Democrats have allowed this Bush Administration to do to this country borders on lunacy!!! We literally turned the asylum over to the inmates - crazy, drunk with power and other substances, to meet their white trash rich friend's needs, financially.
Make them count the votes AGAIN Al, if you aren't certain they are correct!!!! Grrrrrrrrr. I am furious with we Democrats for allowing this rabid bunch of Fundy dogs to prey on this country, and its people, as they have.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:55 PM on 12/08/2008
- Pablo175 I'm a Fan of Pablo175 16 fans permalink

We need Al to win. He is no more an embarrassment than the rest of the Senate.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:30 PM on 12/08/2008

Sounds like a good enough campaign slogan to me. lol

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:04 AM on 12/09/2008
- gojo I'm a Fan of gojo permalink

Al should have run as Stuart Smalley. He would have been even more (sym)pathetic to liberals.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:02 PM on 12/08/2008
- groot I'm a Fan of groot 2 fans permalink

not only that but he's good enough, he's smart enough, and doggone it people like him...

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:24 AM on 12/09/2008

Wow, that's a surprise, NOT!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:53 PM on 12/08/2008
- palealien I'm a Fan of palealien 2 fans permalink

All these lost ballots they seem to keep finding sure suggests that for unless there is a controversy, every vote does not count. Makes you wonder about nay other election that was even close to being close.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:51 PM on 12/08/2008

Anyone give them a calculator...

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:42 PM on 12/08/2008
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Any updates here? Apolitical, if possible. Not Norm's spin or Al's shocked-shocked to find gambling here.

Just a news update on the counting if there is one.

thx,
ATOD

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:09 PM on 12/08/2008
- anabelle I'm a Fan of anabelle 3 fans permalink
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go Al go!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:57 AM on 12/08/2008
- zest I'm a Fan of zest 21 fans permalink

Maybe this will take some of the heat off of Floriduh.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:53 AM on 12/08/2008
- Punkynsnow I'm a Fan of Punkynsnow 53 fans permalink
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We got it right this time, it was a fair election because we didn't have a Bush in the Governor's office. Charlie Crist made sure that all his constituents had the opportunity to vote. What a concept...

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:14 PM on 12/08/2008

Okay Minn. I am holding up one hand, how many fingers can you count. Now go home, study ,and tomorrow we will use both hands...but maybe still just the one finger.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:32 AM on 12/08/2008

Maybe they should start counting for the 2010 election...being slow and all.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:31 AM on 12/08/2008

how ironic this election has turned into a joke

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:57 AM on 12/08/2008
- WSAY I'm a Fan of WSAY 35 fans permalink
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The joke is those uninterested in the democratic process but who profess to put "country first."

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:15 AM on 12/08/2008

nothing wrond with counting in country first states either...as hard as that seems there..

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:34 AM on 12/08/2008
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