Franken Scores: More Ballots Found In Democratic Stronghold

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First Posted: 12- 5-08 12:40 PM   |   Updated: 01- 5-09 05:12 AM

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Days after it was reported that 133 ballots were missing in the Minneapolis portion of the Minnesota Senate recount, local officials in the city said they had discovered a misplaced stack of ballots. Democratic sources in the state, meanwhile, say that this group of votes were not counted on the day of the election, meaning they will have a larger effect on the outcome of the recount.

By mid-day Friday a spokesperson for the city, Matt Laible, said that the envelope contained about 10 absentee ballots -- a small number compared to the total number of votes casts in the state, but potentially very significant. An hour or so later, Marc Elias, Franken's lawyer, declared that with all precincts recounted the campaign's internal numbers had them ahead by a mere four votes.

"We are moving on to the next stage of the process," said Elias. "We are not declaring victory."

As such, the findings of the missing absentee ballots -- which Laible said would not be tallied immediately -- are being cheered by Al Franken's campaign not merely because they come from a deeply Democratic area of the city and promise to bolster the vote total of the Democratic challenger. But over the past few weeks, the Franken team has been arguing that the recount process must be more comprehensive and thorough. Indeed, on a conference call with reporters, Elias announced that the campaign was sending a letter to officials in the state's 87 counties, urging them to redouble their efforts to look into missing ballots, including improperly rejected absentee ballots.

Earlier in the week, election officials discovered more than 170 ballots in Ramsey County that, once counted, added 37 votes to Franken's total. The disappearance of 133 ballots from Minneapolis, however, has thrust both campaigns into full-on political hysteria. During a conference call on Thursday, aides to Franken argued that the disappearance of these votes would effectively throw the election to Sen. Norm Coleman.

The Coleman camp's response, meanwhile, was a bit more confused. The Senator's lawyer, Fritz Knaak, declared on Thursday that they did "not know that there are any ballots missing, and it is premature and simply irresponsible to suggest that they are."

At the same time, the local press was reporting that instead of accidentally counting 133 ballots twice on Election Day (the alternative explanation for why those votes had gone missing) local officials had determined a single envelope of ballots was in fact missing.

This was the second time Knaak had misstated a recount-related issue. Four days after the election, he declared that a Minneapolis elections director had ridden around the city with 32 ballots in her car -- raising questions of her integrity -- when she discovered them after the election. It turned out, however, that the ballots had been transported properly back to Minneapolis City Hall from a precinct, before briefly being misplaced.

UPDATE: Talking Points Memo quotes a local election official saying that, if the state can't find the 133 ballots that are missing in Minneapolis, they may simply include the Election Night total for the precinct in place of a recount total. This would be a big victory for Franken as well, as he would "avoid losing a net 46 votes if [the ballots] were disregarded."

Days after it was reported that 133 ballots were missing in the Minneapolis portion of the Minnesota Senate recount, local officials in the city said they had discovered a misplaced stack of ballots. ...
Days after it was reported that 133 ballots were missing in the Minneapolis portion of the Minnesota Senate recount, local officials in the city said they had discovered a misplaced stack of ballots. ...
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- rcpmac I'm a Fan of rcpmac 6 fans permalink
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I just love all of the cynical and accusatory comments that a story like this generates. fact is when an election gets this close the natural errors in counting and accounting for ballots becomes evident. This would be the case in any state, any election - primary or final. So don't blame the state - don't blame the parties and don't blame the candidates. They all will do what they must to protect their interests and those of their constituents. It will all play out to a conclusion with a fair decision unless there has been actual election fraud like the tampering of voter rolls in FL and Ohio.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:34 PM on 12/07/2008

This is the same way the Repubs were able to steal the election from Al Gore. They threw away Democrat ballots, hid Democrat ballots, did not count all of the Democrat ballots, and stole the election, not once but twice, the did the same thing to steal Kerry's place in history.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:21 PM on 12/07/2008

Blah blah blah florida florida florida...blah blah stolen election.....
Learn a new tune.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:00 AM on 12/08/2008
- Johnagain I'm a Fan of Johnagain 58 fans permalink
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That tune will never end. Not until the Republican vermin, and the people of this country, finally face the facts and admit that we, the greatest nation on earth, the lords of the universe, had an election stolen. In much the same way that any garden variety banana republican has their elections rigged, so too did we. And we will pay for it for generations to come.

So can the 'learn a new tune' crap and pull your head out of your @.ss.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:21 AM on 12/08/2008
- brantl I'm a Fan of brantl 6 fans permalink

No problem in playing an old historic tune that tells the truth......

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:05 PM on 12/08/2008

If Franken wins he can say he has a mandate.

As Bush claimed in 2004 that he had a mandate after not even receiveing a majority of the votes,
Franken, if he wins by 4 votes, can say that he received 4 times the amount of votes he needed
to win, hence he has a mandate.

Spin is such a ____________ (you can fill in the blank).

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:46 PM on 12/07/2008
- DMSmith I'm a Fan of DMSmith 17 fans permalink

If anyone ever wondered if their vote counts, this is the proof. Out of almost 3 million votes cast the difference is only maybe 4 votes??
Imagine if you were one of the many who didn't bother to vote!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:21 PM on 12/07/2008
- KarlaElisa I'm a Fan of KarlaElisa 20 fans permalink
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what a nail biter

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:25 PM on 12/07/2008
- nogimmicks I'm a Fan of nogimmicks 29 fans permalink

Both guys are clowns. People of Minnesota should find honest and noble people like Garrison Keillor and beg them to represent their state.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:46 PM on 12/07/2008
- Blain I'm a Fan of Blain 2 fans permalink

I agree, where is Jessie the Body Ventura when you need him?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:54 PM on 12/07/2008
- DumbDad I'm a Fan of DumbDad 32 fans permalink
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Point being, they need to change their antiquated election law, not their voting system. Letting a plurality carry the day without a runoff is what gave them Ventura and this showdown
in the first place.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:30 PM on 12/07/2008
- rcpmac I'm a Fan of rcpmac 6 fans permalink
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That's a helpful comment

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:25 PM on 12/07/2008
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Agree, except for Al Franken. Norm Coleman is a bonehead.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:39 PM on 12/07/2008

Why does it always seem to be Democrats who "find" missing ballots?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:12 PM on 12/07/2008
- elcojonu I'm a Fan of elcojonu 28 fans permalink

Because we're good at it.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:20 PM on 12/07/2008
- TheBrizz I'm a Fan of TheBrizz 6 fans permalink

Why does it always seem to be Republicans who are caught "cooking the books" or stealing elections, or trying to trick or intimidate people people into not voting? Why is it that when electronic voting machines malfunction, they always seem to do so in favor of the Republican candidate? Why is it that Republicans are the ones who get caught in the phone-jamming scandals, the fliers claiming Democrats are supposed to vote the day after election day, etc? Why is it that the Republicans are always the one trying to purge voter rolls, usually of people most likely to vote Democrat?

The Republicans always claim to be on the warpath against voter fraud, when in reality they're the ones most guilty of it.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:23 PM on 12/07/2008
- alvdh1 I'm a Fan of alvdh1 25 fans permalink

Why does it seem that when ballots go missing, the Republican's have had a hand in it? I suppose that you are one of those people who likes to use the words never, always, everytime and everyone. These are globalizing words that most often do not apply to every situation.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:27 PM on 12/07/2008
- WSAY I'm a Fan of WSAY 35 fans permalink
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Because it is always the Republicans who "lose" them.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:50 PM on 12/07/2008
- Clarknt67 I'm a Fan of Clarknt67 3 fans permalink
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why is it only Democratic votes that get lost?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:54 PM on 12/07/2008

No matter who wins, 58% of the people of Minnesota rather have someone else.
It might be better if each party found someone else and ran another election.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:10 PM on 12/07/2008
- TheBrizz I'm a Fan of TheBrizz 6 fans permalink

The election is close so let's scrap the entire campaign and start over with different candidates? That's not the way it works. And thank God for that.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:24 PM on 12/07/2008

Maybe most of you don't remember it but BEFORE BUSH ballot counting was something that was done with very little controversy. Now we even debate whether we should count the votes. I don't think it takes a genius to know that those NOT WANTING THE VOTES COUNTED ACCURATELY probably have a dead argument. Count the votes. Is that so hard?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:47 PM on 12/07/2008
- elcojonu I'm a Fan of elcojonu 28 fans permalink

Repugs don't like math( specially when it goes against them ).

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:22 PM on 12/07/2008
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They don't like anything they can't understand.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:27 PM on 12/07/2008
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they like to take the "count" out of accounting

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:30 PM on 12/07/2008
- TheBrizz I'm a Fan of TheBrizz 6 fans permalink

I agree... ever since Florida 2000, every election seems to be a long, drawn-out lawyer-fest. I'm glad the Obama/Biden win on Nov. 4 was decisive enough that there was no way to dispute the results. That was my biggest fear leading up to election day.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:29 PM on 12/07/2008
- jdenham I'm a Fan of jdenham 7 fans permalink

It makes you wonder how election officials would lose ballots. Almost as if someone is skimming ballots to affect the outcome. Why don't Republicans want to recount the votes? That makes you wonder too. As we have found in most elections recently that after a recount the Democrat wins. Most of the time in these close races there is a poll worker that has accidentally missplaced some ballots in the trunk of their car. I not saying someone is commiting a crime, there just seems to be a pattern.
It makes you wonder how many close elections were won by a politician because poll workers might have misplaced ballot.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:36 AM on 12/07/2008

Why would poll workers place ballots anywhere else than in a ballot box? This BS sounds like Franken's minions are busy "creating" ballots for Mr. Smalley.

Kinda reminds me of the 1994 election in Californa where more Hispanic voters voted for Loretta Sanchez that were registered in the district, defeating Bob Dornan. It was discovered many of the voters weren't American citizens but Sanchez was still allowed to win.
I don't think HuffPo covered this,,,naturally.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:09 PM on 12/07/2008
- TheBrizz I'm a Fan of TheBrizz 6 fans permalink

You're absolutely right... Huffington Post didn't cover that... because Huffington Post wasn't created until 2005.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:33 PM on 12/07/2008
- TheBrizz I'm a Fan of TheBrizz 6 fans permalink

Other than exit polls, which have varying levels of accuracy and only identify percentages and not number of votes, how would they be able to tell how many people of a specific race voted for a specific candidate? The ballot you cast does not have your name or your ethnicity on it.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:47 PM on 12/07/2008
- rcpmac I'm a Fan of rcpmac 6 fans permalink
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Typical blame the victim mentality

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:27 PM on 12/07/2008

Democrats will try anything to steal an election and they don't even try to hide it.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:07 AM on 12/07/2008
- fumes2 I'm a Fan of fumes2 11 fans permalink
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They are trying the same thing in MN that they did in Washington state in '04 and in Florida in 2000 . They succeeded in Washington, they must be stopped in Minnesota.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:37 AM on 12/07/2008
- dphilip I'm a Fan of dphilip 41 fans permalink

They don't try to hide it because it has become a matter of course for them. Democrats think that if a democrat doesn't win every election that it can only be due to an error or republican voter fraud. Therefore, they feel they are entitled to "steal it back". Their tactics are right out of the banana republic election playbook. The democrats have gone so far over the line with their rhetoric and political ploys for so long that they forgot where the line was.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:45 AM on 12/07/2008
- LDS50 I'm a Fan of LDS50 10 fans permalink

Why is recounting a close election so controversial. If a republican lost by a handful, you think he wouldn't want a recount? You betcha!

By the way, can you buy the "banana republic election playbook" on amazon? Does it come in a series or is it one volume? To think the repubs have been winging it without a playbook all these years!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:20 PM on 12/07/2008

Hello...Ohio 04?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:49 AM on 12/07/2008

Projection. Google it along with "psychology".

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:53 PM on 12/07/2008
- elcojonu I'm a Fan of elcojonu 28 fans permalink

Why should we ?
You's guys did it out in the open in 2000.
The cat's out of the bag now.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:24 PM on 12/07/2008
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It's just insane how there are a "Oh, here are a few missing ballots we pulled out of our A**!" wtf!?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:45 AM on 12/07/2008
- ltyr2002 I'm a Fan of ltyr2002 15 fans permalink

I hope Al wins. But it MUST be fair.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:51 AM on 12/07/2008

Ditto that.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:03 AM on 12/07/2008
- AlexNYC I'm a Fan of AlexNYC 14 fans permalink
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It's Minnessota state law to have a recount when the results were as narrow as there were here. That should be a full, thorough, and fair count of the ballots. I want Al Franken to win, but I don't want either side to cheat by disenfrachising the other side's votes. A full recount would have won Al Gore the presidency in 2000, but the Supreme Court stopped the counting. Count all the ballots and let the chips fall where they may.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:30 AM on 12/07/2008
- elcojonu I'm a Fan of elcojonu 28 fans permalink

You're right, fair to us Democrats.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:26 PM on 12/07/2008
- Martampa I'm a Fan of Martampa 13 fans permalink
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Minnesota can join the ranks of Florida and Ohio who couldn't get an election right.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:36 PM on 12/06/2008
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Only fair that one goes to the Dems.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:48 AM on 12/07/2008
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Mart I think this is just an ice crystal of the iceburg of how messed up our entire election system is, and how the Gang O Phascists have been stealing them. Isn't it funny, how since Franken will not give up and is digging deeper, how the missing votes are coming out of nowhere now?
Refer to "How to Rig an Election- Confessions of a Republican Operative"

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:52 AM on 12/07/2008

Little House on the Prairie...take two.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:05 PM on 12/06/2008
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