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Bush Admin Overturns Ban On Firearms In National Parks

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MATTHEW DALY | December 6, 2008 10:27 AM EST | AP

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WASHINGTON — People will soon be able to carry concealed, loaded guns in most national parks and wildlife refuges.

The Bush administration said Friday it is overturning a 25-year-old federal rule that severely restricts loaded guns in national parks.

Under a rule to take effect in January, visitors will be able to carry a loaded gun into a park or wildlife refuge _ but only if the person has a permit for a concealed weapon and if the state where the park or refuge is located also allows concealed firearms.

The new rule goes further than a draft proposal issued last spring and would allow concealed weapons even in parks located in states that explicitly ban the carrying of guns in state parks. Some states allow concealed weapons but also ban guns from parks.

"If you can carry (a gun) on Main Street, you are allowed to carry in a national park," said Chris Paolino. a spokesman for the Interior Department.

The Interior Department rule overturns a Reagan-era regulation that has restricted loaded guns in parks and wildlife refuges. The previous regulation required that firearms be unloaded and placed somewhere that is not easily accessible, such as in a car trunk.

Assistant Interior Secretary Lyle Laverty said the new rule respects a long tradition of states and the federal government working together on natural resource issues.

The regulation allows individuals to carry concealed firearms in federal parks and wildlife refuges to the same extent they can lawfully do so under state law, Laverty said, adding that the approach is in line with rules adopted by the federal Bureau of Land Management and the U.S. Forest Service. Those agencies let visitors carry weapons consistent with applicable federal and state laws.

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The National Rifle Association hailed the rule change, which will take effect next month before President-elect Barack Obama takes office.

"We are pleased that the Interior Department recognizes the right of law-abiding citizens to protect themselves and their families while enjoying America's national parks and wildlife refuges," said Chris W. Cox, the NRA's chief lobbyist.

The rule will restore the rights of law-abiding gun owners on federal lands and make federal law consistent with the state where the lands are located, Cox said. The NRA led efforts to change gun regulations they called inconsistent and unclear.

A group representing park rangers, retirees and conservation organizations said the rule change will lead to confusion for visitors, rangers and other law enforcement agencies.

"Once again, political leaders in the Bush administration have ignored the preferences of the American public by succumbing to political pressure, in this case generated by the National Rifle Association," said Bill Wade, president of the Coalition of National Park Service Retirees.

"This regulation will put visitors, employees and precious resources of the National Park System at risk. We will do everything possible to overturn it and return to a commonsense approach to guns in national parks that has been working for decades," Wade said.

The park rule will be published in the Federal Register early next week and take effect 30 days later, well before Obama takes office Jan. 20. Overturning the rule could take months or even years, since it would require the new administration to restart the lengthy rule-making process.

Nick Shapiro, a spokesman for President-elect Barack Obama's transition team, said no decision had been made on the gun rule.

"President-elect Obama will review all eleventh-hour regulations and will address them once he is president," he said.

Sen. Mike Crapo, R-Idaho, hailed the new rule. Crapo and Sen. Max Baucus, D-Mont., had organized letters to Interior Secretary Dirk Kempthorne complaining about the gun restrictions. The letters were signed by half the Senate _ 41 Republicans and nine Democrats.

"I congratulate Secretary Kempthorne for taking this stand. The rule as it has come out is what we asked for with regard to handguns," Crapo said. "It's a very, very significant improvement."

Crapo called the current rule confusing and complex and said it "literally resulted in different standards as you traveled through the same state."

But Sen. Dianne Feinstein, D-Calif., said the new rule was a mistake.

"The Reagan-era rules have stood the test of time and make our national parks safe for all who visit them," Feinstein said. "The Bush administration changes will make our national parks more dangerous and will upset the delicate balance that exists between park visitors and wildlife."

Interior spokesman Paolino said the rule would not affect a ban on guns in federal buildings. Guns will still be prohibited in national icons such as Independence Hall and the Statue of Liberty, he said. Guns also will be banned in visitor centers and other buildings at national parks.

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Associated Press Writer Dina Cappiello contributed to this story

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On the Net:

Interior Department: http://www.doi.gov

National Parks Conservation Association: http://www.npca.org

WASHINGTON — People will soon be able to carry concealed, loaded guns in most national parks and wildlife refuges. The Bush administration said Friday it is overturning a 25-year-old federal ru...
WASHINGTON — People will soon be able to carry concealed, loaded guns in most national parks and wildlife refuges. The Bush administration said Friday it is overturning a 25-year-old federal ru...
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- HisXLNC I'm a Fan of HisXLNC 7 fans permalink

One more thing to add to the short list of smart things Bush has done.

Where I live, it's just common sense to take a gun with you when you leave civilization. Whether you're going into the wilderness of our national parks or the wilderness of the inner city, you should always have protection, whether it's a gun, knife, or a really big stick. You carry whatever you can get away with carrying.

    Favorite     Flag as abusive Posted 08:44 AM on 12/09/2008
- wordvarc I'm a Fan of wordvarc 32 fans permalink

Sometimes it's just common sense to have one's shoes ready to be thrown.

    Favorite     Flag as abusive Posted 01:29 AM on 12/17/2008
- wordvarc I'm a Fan of wordvarc 32 fans permalink

"Shoes do not k.i.l.l people.
People k.i.l.l. people.

A message from the National Shoe Association."

( a humuhumunukunukuapuaa comment)

    Favorite     Flag as abusive Posted 01:34 AM on 12/17/2008
- Ohio9 I'm a Fan of Ohio9 32 fans permalink

Okay all you anti-CCW posters out there, can someone please provide some evidence that state parks which currently allow CCW holders to carry their guns in them are less safe then federal parks that up to this point have not?

After all, if allowing CCW in parks is so unsafe, then such evidence should be easy to find, right?

If no evidence that pro-CCW state parks are less safe then federal parks can be found, then I think it's time to admit that you have no basis to claim the new federal park policy will make parks less safe.

    Favorite     Flag as abusive Posted 11:19 PM on 12/08/2008
- Toonadude I'm a Fan of Toonadude 18 fans permalink

The Bush administration has the evidence you seek.
It's kept in the same file with the evidence of WMDs in Iraq.

    Favorite     Flag as abusive Posted 11:31 PM on 12/08/2008
- djkrlsn I'm a Fan of djkrlsn 23 fans permalink

Actually they have found a few WMDs there--primarily in the form of artillery shells--now try to come up with some serious FACTUAL ANSWERS--not just potshots at someone who will be out of office in a few weeks

    Favorite     Flag as abusive Posted 05:11 PM on 12/09/2008
- EmilyU I'm a Fan of EmilyU 7 fans permalink
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It appears fairly obvious that many posters here do not understand the differences between owning a firearm, firearm registration, licensing, and concealed carry permits (sometimes called CCW permits, CCPs, etc).

    Favorite     Flag as abusive Posted 07:55 PM on 12/08/2008
- Toonadude I'm a Fan of Toonadude 18 fans permalink

A troubling situation.
What do you recommend be done to address it ?

    Favorite     Flag as abusive Posted 11:12 PM on 12/08/2008
- EmilyU I'm a Fan of EmilyU 7 fans permalink
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To start with, get the Brady Camp, VPC, the news media and Senators like Feinstein to tell the truth for a change.

    Favorite     Flag as abusive Posted 08:19 AM on 12/09/2008
- jurr I'm a Fan of jurr permalink

And the need for non-park rangers to carry Firearms in a wildlife REFUGE is?

    Favorite     Flag as abusive Posted 09:34 AM on 12/08/2008
- EmilyU I'm a Fan of EmilyU 7 fans permalink
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The same as anywhere else - protection.

    Favorite     Flag as abusive Posted 11:00 AM on 12/08/2008
- djkrlsn I'm a Fan of djkrlsn 23 fans permalink

How about dealing with the people that set up pot farms and meth labs in wildlife refuges, as well as national parks and forests?

    Favorite     Flag as abusive Posted 02:56 PM on 12/08/2008
- Ohio9 I'm a Fan of Ohio9 32 fans permalink

The same as the reason to lawfully carry a firearm everywhere else.

    Favorite     Flag as abusive Posted 11:11 PM on 12/08/2008
- neverbeenfooled I'm a Fan of neverbeenfooled 2 fans permalink

Of course we need to allow guns to be carried in our National Parks in oder to allow visitors to protect themselves from other visitors carrying guns. Now don't we all feel safer? Disgusting!

    Favorite     Flag as abusive Posted 08:34 AM on 12/08/2008
- djkrlsn I'm a Fan of djkrlsn 23 fans permalink

Not for other visitors who happen to be CCW holders--but to be able to protect themselves from the drug dealers that run pot farms, drug labs and other criminal activities in areas with far fewer people around

    Favorite     Flag as abusive Posted 02:58 PM on 12/08/2008
- Ohio9 I'm a Fan of Ohio9 32 fans permalink

Right, because criminals who illegally carry guns were always deterred by the "no gun" policy at parks until now.........

Why is it that anti-gun nuts think criminals will obey gun laws or gun policies while they are willing to disobey every other regulation? What makes gun laws so special?

    Favorite     Flag as abusive Posted 11:12 PM on 12/08/2008
- TruthAndTheory I'm a Fan of TruthAndTheory 2 fans permalink

And if Obama reinstates the ban, extremists will cry that our "freedoms" are being "Taken away."

Frankly, to me, freedom means going to a park without worrying about being shot by some trigger-happy nutcase (and plenty of nutcases have legally registered guns).

    Favorite     Flag as abusive Posted 11:42 PM on 12/07/2008
- nobozos I'm a Fan of nobozos 13 fans permalink

As a woman who has spent a lot of time in the Yellowstone back country armed with only pepper spray, I welcome this change.
I nearly lost my mind the summer my beautiful young daughter did geothermal mapping in the back country with bells and spray and no weapon. The wildlife is plentiful, and a moose can be as scary as a bear any day.

    Favorite     Flag as abusive Posted 05:04 AM on 12/08/2008
- Toonadude I'm a Fan of Toonadude 18 fans permalink

That .380 ACP should drop a grizzly in its tracks.

    Favorite     Flag as abusive Posted 08:44 AM on 12/08/2008
- EmilyU I'm a Fan of EmilyU 7 fans permalink
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Registered and CCW (concealed carry permits) are two different things.

    Favorite     Flag as abusive Posted 05:06 AM on 12/08/2008
- nobozos I'm a Fan of nobozos 13 fans permalink

We don't have to register our guns in Idaho.

    Favorite     Flag as abusive Posted 05:08 AM on 12/08/2008
- Ohio9 I'm a Fan of Ohio9 32 fans permalink

What makes you think a "trigger happy nutcase" would be care about anti-gun policies in the first place?

Plenty of state parks already allow CCW holders to have guns in them. Do you have any evidence those parks are unsafe?

    Favorite     Flag as abusive Posted 11:15 PM on 12/08/2008
- pokemon I'm a Fan of pokemon 21 fans permalink
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This is great. Hiking the AT will be much safer now.

Problem here is people do not realize that you can openly carry a weapon, sure you may turn heads but it is not against the law. We had a guy here cowboy carry into a gas station, they asked what we were going to do (as cops), to which we replied "nothing" besides ask him about his weapon / equipment.

    Favorite     Flag as abusive Posted 10:53 PM on 12/07/2008
- EmilyU I'm a Fan of EmilyU 7 fans permalink
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Open caarry varies by state and open carry of loaded firearms is not allowed in national parks.

    Favorite     Flag as abusive Posted 05:07 AM on 12/08/2008
- EmilyU I'm a Fan of EmilyU 7 fans permalink
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Once again:

All this ruling changes is IF a person has a valid CCW handgun permit for the state where the national park is located, they do not have to disarm.


People without a CCW permit still cannot carry loaded handguns openly or concealed, nor can anyone carry a loaded rifle or shotgun.

    Favorite     Flag as abusive Posted 08:37 PM on 12/07/2008
- pokemon I'm a Fan of pokemon 21 fans permalink
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Yes you can. Where do you live?

    Favorite     Flag as abusive Posted 10:49 PM on 12/07/2008
- EmilyU I'm a Fan of EmilyU 7 fans permalink
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According to the rules I have found, you cannot in a national park.

    Favorite     Flag as abusive Posted 05:08 AM on 12/08/2008
- MuseScavenger I'm a Fan of MuseScavenger 7 fans permalink

Bush Administration Stands Logic on Head, Claims Six is Nine.

    Favorite     Flag as abusive Posted 08:20 PM on 12/07/2008
- Amerigucci I'm a Fan of Amerigucci 14 fans permalink

There is something bent in George W. Bush's head.

He needs to go away now, and never be allowed anywhere near instruments of power again.

    Favorite     Flag as abusive Posted 08:10 PM on 12/07/2008
- pokemon I'm a Fan of pokemon 21 fans permalink
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No this is a good move. You may not want a gun, but I like my rights.

    Favorite     Flag as abusive Posted 10:53 PM on 12/07/2008
- Amerigucci I'm a Fan of Amerigucci 14 fans permalink

The solution to violent crime is not to introduce more potential for it.

The solution that has always worked is a multi-pronged approach, beginning with prevention and ending with increased security. When this liberal approach has been applied, violent crime has gone down.

    Favorite     Flag as abusive Posted 08:09 PM on 12/07/2008
- EmilyU I'm a Fan of EmilyU 7 fans permalink
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CCW holders do not represent a potential for more crime.

    Favorite     Flag as abusive Posted 08:23 PM on 12/07/2008
- 1will I'm a Fan of 1will 38 fans permalink

I noticed you never mentioned stiffer penalties for criminals but then again few anti gunners ever do. They are more interested in disarming the law abiding citizens and making excuses for the felons.
The solution is inspiring fear in the criminals. This "Multi-pronged" approach should begin with the criminal not knowing if his victim is armed and willing to shoot him. It should end with the criminal fearing an extremely long jail sentence for preying on his fellow Americans. When this common sense approach has been applied, violent crime has gone down.
Kenneshaw, Georgia has a law that family in town must own a gun. While this may be a bit extreme it must be admitted that crime is very low. On the other hand your gun control Mecca's such as Washington, DC and Chicago are almost war zones.

    Favorite     Flag as abusive Posted 09:40 PM on 12/07/2008
- pokemon I'm a Fan of pokemon 21 fans permalink
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Oh yeah, and Violent crime has been reduced in all countries with gun restrictions.

"What luck for rulers that men do not think"

Adolf Hitler

    Favorite     Flag as abusive Posted 10:55 PM on 12/07/2008
- CrittersRTasty I'm a Fan of CrittersRTasty 32 fans permalink

Are you suggesting that this will increase potential for violent crime? What logic suggests that?

    Favorite     Flag as abusive Posted 02:09 AM on 12/10/2008
- 1will I'm a Fan of 1will 38 fans permalink

Good links. It's hard to argue with your examples.

    Favorite     Flag as abusive Posted 09:16 PM on 12/07/2008
- Toonadude I'm a Fan of Toonadude 18 fans permalink

Bush did this for you and me --- the "average Joes" concerned for our safety in the National Parks. As he has shown over the past 8 years, he cares deeply about the average citizen. He did NOT do this to repay the NRA for their 2000 and 2004 campaign endorsements of him.

Now if you'll excuse me, a gallon of Kool-Aid just arrived and I'm very thirsty.

Palin 2012

    Favorite     Flag as abusive Posted 07:12 PM on 12/07/2008
- Girl28 I'm a Fan of Girl28 15 fans permalink

Lol

    Favorite     Flag as abusive Posted 04:04 AM on 12/08/2008
- 1will I'm a Fan of 1will 38 fans permalink

http://crime.about.com/b/2008/03/24/meredith-emerson-fought-hard-to-survive.html

There was a typo in the other link. My bad.
This is a horrible story. This hiker had a dog and also studied martial arts yet she still was overpowered by a 61 year old man and ended up a victim. I can think of no better example of why Bush was correct in overturning the ban on firearms in our National Parks.

    Favorite     Flag as abusive Posted 06:04 PM on 12/07/2008
- 1will I'm a Fan of 1will 38 fans permalink
    Favorite     Flag as abusive Posted 05:47 PM on 12/07/2008
- pokemon I'm a Fan of pokemon 21 fans permalink
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No. And for those of us who hike for 1-2 weeks at a time there is also a potential for animals, human and otherwise, to attack.

I carry EVERYWHERE. Of course I am a cop, but I still have my CCDW.

    Favorite     Flag as abusive Posted 10:57 PM on 12/07/2008
- puffthedragon I'm a Fan of puffthedragon 169 fans permalink
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Do you feel as a "cop" that you would be saver if EVERYONE would carry a gun with them where ever they go?

    Favorite     Flag as abusive Posted 11:39 AM on 12/08/2008
- loki I'm a Fan of loki 167 fans permalink
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well Duh.. How else can the criminals who grow pot in national forest or build meth-labs in them protect their investments?

    Favorite     Flag as abusive Posted 04:11 PM on 12/07/2008
- djkrlsn I'm a Fan of djkrlsn 23 fans permalink

The criminals growing pot or making meth in national parks/forest will carry firearms regardless of what the law says--but then again I am sure you know that gunfree zones are really criminal empowerment zones (because far more mass murders using guns occur in gun free zones than in places where most people are armed)

    Favorite     Flag as abusive Posted 04:16 PM on 12/07/2008
- MuseScavenger I'm a Fan of MuseScavenger 7 fans permalink

And where are those places where "most people are armed"? Lebanon?

    Favorite     Flag as abusive Posted 07:50 PM on 12/07/2008
- 1will I'm a Fan of 1will 38 fans permalink

So the criminals growing pot and building meth labs were deterred from carrying guns in National Forests because it was illegal?
I guess the next thing you'll tell us is "Gun Free Zones" deter murders from shooting up college campuses.

    Favorite     Flag as abusive Posted 04:53 PM on 12/07/2008
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