Bush's Environmental Chief: There's "Not A Clean-Cut Division" Between Religion And Science


First Posted: 12- 8-08 07:12 PM   |   Updated: 01- 8-09 05:12 AM

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Think Progress:

A Philadelphia Inquirer profile of EPA Administrator Stephen Johnson this weekend reveals that the chief steward of our environmental protection is unwilling -- or unable -- to separate religion from science. The Wonk Room's Brad Johnson notes that, when questioned by reporters, Stephen Johnson admitted he does not see a "clean-cut division" between the two:

It's not a clean-cut division. If you have studied at all creationism vs. evolution, there's theistic or God-controlled evolution and there's variations on all those themes.

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A Philadelphia Inquirer profile of EPA Administrator Stephen Johnson this weekend reveals that the chief steward of our environmental protection is unwilling -- or unable -- to separate religion from ...
A Philadelphia Inquirer profile of EPA Administrator Stephen Johnson this weekend reveals that the chief steward of our environmental protection is unwilling -- or unable -- to separate religion from ...
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- bubbuh I'm a Fan of bubbuh 178 fans permalink
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Oh, Sweet J*sus, Fire His Arse! Save us all!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:58 PM on 12/08/2008

Sure there is a connection, God gave us this beautiful universe to study

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:56 PM on 12/08/2008
- HumeSkeptic I'm a Fan of HumeSkeptic 1659 fans permalink
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Prove it.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:59 PM on 12/08/2008
- lisakaz2 I'm a Fan of lisakaz2 111 fans permalink
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I'd accept it IF by "studying" the scientific method still mattered vs. praying away pollution and the "who cares; the end is near" bs.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:08 PM on 12/08/2008
- djk37 I'm a Fan of djk37 4 fans permalink

Ditto.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:55 PM on 12/08/2008
- samiam4285 I'm a Fan of samiam4285 3 fans permalink

There is a difference between believing in God and allowing your belief to prevent objective, rational, scientific thought.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:05 PM on 12/08/2008
- wndrwrthg I'm a Fan of wndrwrthg 39 fans permalink
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"We are a fluke of the universe".

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:18 PM on 12/08/2008
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Stephen Johnson is living proof that *Australopithicines* are not extinct... and found mainly in the ranks of the GOP...

Arrested evolutionary development, thy name remains GOP.

Yeeeach.

Would you like a banana, Mr. Johnson?

Leland R. Erickson

Citizen

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:48 PM on 12/08/2008
- HumeSkeptic I'm a Fan of HumeSkeptic 1659 fans permalink
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It's not a clean-cut division. If you have studied at all creationism vs. evolution, there's theistic or God-controlled evolution and there's variations on all those themes
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We are lucky to have survived another Dark Age. Just a few more days to Jan 20, 2009.
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    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:47 PM on 12/08/2008
- Cyano I'm a Fan of Cyano 3 fans permalink

"Stephen Johnson admitted he does not see a "clean-cut division" between [religion and science]"

Sure there is... religion is made up (which is why there are so many and they don't agree) and science isn't. Duh!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:42 PM on 12/08/2008
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Probably doesn't see a clear cut division between
men and women, men and monkeys, men and sheep ...

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:39 PM on 12/08/2008
- lisakaz2 I'm a Fan of lisakaz2 111 fans permalink
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They see a diff in men vs. women. Men give the orders acc. to these dinosaurs.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:09 PM on 12/08/2008

Anyone remember a guy named James Watt, the EPA Secretary during part of the Reagan administration. Watt was another fundamentalist nitwit who believed that we were living in "the last days" and that God would be oh so mad at us if we didn't use up all the forests and other natural resoures before Jesus returned, which was going to happen any day now ... "any day" being about thirty years ago.

Watt tried to gut virtually ever single environmental protection guideline that existed, apparently at the behest of God, who wanted all those messy trees and other living things out of the way so that Jesus could sweep the deck clean for the rapture.

Watt also believed there was no clear line between science and religion.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:38 PM on 12/08/2008
- HumeSkeptic I'm a Fan of HumeSkeptic 1659 fans permalink
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I remember him. I think he was the one who taught Reagan that trees caused more pollution than cars.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:48 PM on 12/08/2008
- lisakaz2 I'm a Fan of lisakaz2 111 fans permalink
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Nitwit is is pretty mild. I think he was to pollution what Gordon Gekko was to capitalism.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:11 PM on 12/08/2008
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yeh i remember that a**hole very well.

has anybody noticed--why hasn't everybody noticed--that only REPUBLICANS put garbage like this in public office--to all of our peril.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:41 PM on 12/08/2008
- MyTake I'm a Fan of MyTake 33 fans permalink
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Well, don't you remember the famous Reagan ALIEN speech. Well those ALIEN'S sent Bush an email just before he appointed this guy. Bush has been on the bottle ever since.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:54 PM on 12/08/2008
- johnnynyc I'm a Fan of johnnynyc 34 fans permalink

The next time religion gets us to the moon and back, the next time religion pilots a spacecraft through the universe and onto the surface of mars I'll agree there's no clean cut division between religion and science.

The observations and calculations that allowed us to predict how the universe works aren't much different
than those that allow us to read the fossil record.

Creationism is a belief for which there is no proof, evolution is a fact drawn from observing the world around us.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:38 PM on 12/08/2008
- Village I'm a Fan of Village 8 fans permalink

He must get apples and oranges confused too.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:33 PM on 12/08/2008
- chewie2008 I'm a Fan of chewie2008 17 fans permalink
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Thsi is the same mindset that brought us"There`s a clean cut division between global warming and the greenhouse effect."

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:32 PM on 12/08/2008
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Ya, and there is not a clean cut division between insanity and religious thought!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:25 PM on 12/08/2008
- samiam4285 I'm a Fan of samiam4285 3 fans permalink

At this point, I am counting down the minutes until Jan 20. Right there, that is everything that is wrong with this administration. The war on science is over in T-42 days, 3 hours, and about 40 minutes.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:23 PM on 12/08/2008
- AtheistUS I'm a Fan of AtheistUS 83 fans permalink
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And why we had idiot in so high government position? Because millions voted for another idiot, twice. And why they voted so, giving opportunity to a few wealthy families to profit enormously in robbery of US (and Iraq too)? Yes, of course, they voted so because of their religious views and luck of education.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:11 PM on 12/08/2008

This is the same thinking that has created a Middle East that is intolerant of science and progressive ideology that enhances a better world. Think about why the region has never advanced technologically...all the new technology that exists there today is certainly not native. This is exactly why a separation is needed unless we want a digression in the human race.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:31 PM on 12/08/2008
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and yet it was arab culture that gave us the higher mathematics, architecture, algebra, astronomy and more The "christians" drove all that out of Europe with the driving back of the Ottoman Empire and the crusades. And THAT, my dears, is why the Middle Ages were a time of dearth of learning in Europe except in the monasteries where some of the monks had enough sense to preserve the libraries of the Ottoman Turks so that the learning that had been amassed in that culture was not entirely lost. If it had not been for the preservation of those libraries, the great cathedrals of medieval Europe could not have been built.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:46 PM on 12/08/2008
- AtheistUS I'm a Fan of AtheistUS 83 fans permalink
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...let me add that now our christian religious extremists destroyed Iraq National Museum and most libraries. Treasures in which any clay piece is more precious than a clay head of our son of a president.
Paul Bremer, Peter McPherson and John Agresto wanted to erase Iraq culture as inferior and replace it with our pop culture, not even knowing that Iraq before sanctions had highest literacy rates in the region - and higher than in some our US states.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:54 AM on 12/09/2008
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