Obama Education Pick Sparks Conflict

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LIBBY QUAID | 12/ 8/08 12:15 PM | AP

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A Nov. 13, 2008 file photo shows Chicago Public Schools chief Arne Duncan smiling during a news conference in Chicago. Considered a potential choice for education secretary in President-elect Barack Obama's Cabinet, Duncan visited with outgoing Education Secretary Margaret Spellings in Washington Thursday, Dec. 4, 2008, on what he said was a purely social call and had nothing to do with the possibility of being chosen education secretary. (AP Photo/Charles Rex Arbogast)

WASHINGTON — President-elect Barack Obama has not signaled what he will do to fix the country's failing schools, but his choice of education secretary will say a lot about the policies he may pursue.

Debate is simmering among Democrats over whom Obama should name.

Teachers' unions, an influential segment of the party base, want an advocate for their members, someone like Obama adviser Linda Darling-Hammond, a Stanford University professor, or Inez Tenenbaum, the former state schools chief in South Carolina.

Reform advocates want someone like New York schools chancellor Joel Klein, who wants teachers and schools held accountable for the performance of students.

Thus far Obama has avoided taking sides, saying things that reassure the competing factions. Obama has said, for instance, that teacher pay should be tied to student achievement, which reformers like, but not solely based on test scores, which teachers like.

Unions, by the way, dislike the "reformer" label, pointing out they want reform, too. And the reform group says it cares about good teachers; it just wants bad ones out of the classroom.

"He's a wise man," said Indiana Sen. Evan Bayh, chuckling. "He left himself some room to maneuver."

Bayh, a Democratic centrist who backed the No Child Left Behind law, thinks Obama will find a way to straddle the competing factions. "My strong impression of the president-elect is he is pragmatic. He won't pick an ideologue. He won't pick a side in this fight."

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Even so, Bayh expects Obama to choose someone the unions can live with to carry out his education goals.

"You probably don't get there by having an overt, in-your-face fight with classroom teachers," Bayh said. "That's going to take a lot of political capital and divert energy from other things."

Can Obama make both sides happy? Not likely, said Republican Sen. Richard Burr of North Carolina.

"I think it's almost an impossible pick to make and somebody not be upset," Burr said. "I'm not sure there's a candidate that bridges both divides."

One candidate might fit the bill _ Chicago schools chief Arne Duncan, who has spent seven years running the country's third-largest school district.

Duncan is friendly with the president-elect, playing pickup basketball as well as touring schools with the former Illinois senator and fellow Harvard alumnus. Duncan visited Washington last week, stopping for coffee with outgoing Education Secretary Margaret Spellings, but he said the visit was purely social and had nothing to do with the Obama transition.

Like Obama, Duncan has straddled both education factions, signing manifestos from each side earlier this year.

The reform group likes Duncan's work in Chicago, where he has focused on improving struggling schools, closing those that fail and getting better teachers.

And unlike Klein or Washington schools chief Michelle Rhee, Duncan has managed to avoid alienating the teachers' unions.

"Arne Duncan actually reaches out and tries to do things in a collaborative way," said Randi Weingarten, head of the 1.4 million-member American Federation of Teachers.

Weingarten also heads the New York teachers union, whose members felt demonized in their contract battles with Klein. The 3.2 million-member National Education Association shares their view.

"Joel Klein is not someone we would be happy with as secretary of education," NEA lobbyist Joel Packer said. "I don't think Obama is going to pick someone who's going to be really divisive."

Darling-Hammond, the Obama adviser who is heading his education transition team, is equally controversial. The reform group doesn't like her because of her criticism of No Child Left Behind and her early critique of Teach for America, which pairs college graduates with a school-in-need for two years, although she has since given the program credit for attracting talented teachers.

Both unions have said they like the idea of Obama choosing a governor or former governor. There are many to choose from, including former Gov. Roy Barnes of Georgia. Kansas' Gov. Kathleen Sebelius, whose name had been floated for several Cabinet posts, announced over the weekend that she had removed herself from consideration from a Cabinet job in the Obama administration, citing Kansas' budget problems that need her attention.

The names of former Mississippi Govs. Ray Mabus and Ronnie Musgrove have also surfaced; several people said Musgrove has talked to Democratic senators about the job, but he did not return a call from The Associated Press.

AFT backed Obama's rival, Hillary Rodham Clinton, in the primary, and NEA held off on an endorsement, but in the general election both endorsed Obama and spent millions of dollars supporting him.

In the education debate, the competing sides break down over the degree to which teachers and schools should be held accountable for how kids are learning, and the role test scores should play in making that determination.

At the heart of the dispute: No Child Left Behind, the law that has grown as unpopular as George W. Bush, the lame-duck president who championed it.

The reform group agrees with the law's general principle of penalties for schools if test scores fail to improve. Although nearly everyone agrees the law has problems that need fixing.

The union coalition says test scores aren't the only measure, and that factors far beyond the classroom affect how well kids learn.

WASHINGTON — President-elect Barack Obama has not signaled what he will do to fix the country's failing schools, but his choice of education secretary will say a lot about the policies he may pu...
WASHINGTON — President-elect Barack Obama has not signaled what he will do to fix the country's failing schools, but his choice of education secretary will say a lot about the policies he may pu...
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- miamia I'm a Fan of miamia 12 fans permalink

I throw my hands up. I really don't know.

I would like to be able to send my child to a private school like the one Obama's daughters will attend.

Can we get people who run those types of schools into the school system and let them figure out how to change it?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:55 PM on 12/09/2008

Chicago Public Schools are entrenched in failure, not success! Yes, the virtual campus is a great concept and option for students having trouble being in the traditional classroom but that does not fix all the internal politics and red-tape that prevent quality teaching strategies and professional interventions to step in and address the school as a community with many needs. Obama needs to look OUTSIDE of Chicago for a leader well established in both research & practice of Full-service school principles. We have an outdated school system that will continue to fail if the right leader is not selected. Every school district has unique needs because our students and communities are not from the cookie cutter shop! Mr. Obama PLEASE, PLEASE, PLEASE find the right person for the job, not just the easy reach. The Blue-Man group has it right: we should be able to graduate from high school without having to recover from the experience!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:08 PM on 12/09/2008

We should ship in someone from finland.They seem to know what to do.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:02 AM on 12/09/2008
- miamia I'm a Fan of miamia 12 fans permalink

I would tend to agree with this...

They keep picking people from within the failing system...

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:57 PM on 12/09/2008

Obama should ask Ted Mitchell, former Occidental College President, to be Secretary of Education. There isn't a more qualified candidate, period. Best institutional manager I have ever seen, speaking as a former Trustee of the college. I hope he is being considered.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:50 AM on 12/09/2008
- KarateKid I'm a Fan of KarateKid 392 fans permalink
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Unless the government makes a total commitment to public education, no one, no matter how qualified, will be a difference maker. The fact is public education has been neglected for 40 years. The Republicans don't even want an Education Department, have tried several times to eliminate it, and it is the smallest staffed of all the Cabinet departments, the step child.

As a result, public schools have declined steadily. The teaching profession has been disrespected for a long time, and considering the importance of what they do, they are grossly underpaid. An auto worker at a job bank makes way more than a teacher, now that makes sense, doesn't it? There's not much incentive for the best and brightest young people to go into teaching.

The states fund education either through sales tax or property tax, and they can't do it alone anymore, not without federal funding.

So, aside from padding the resume, or the prestige of the title, why would anyone good want the job? Without a massive influx of funding, all they would "oversee" is a worsening situation. Even with Obama's stated commitment, I'm not optimistic, not with the economic situation we're in now.

Education is something that people talk the talk about, but haven't walked the walk. It's sad, and unfair to the teachers and administrators who are so dedicated but swimming against the tide.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:18 AM on 12/09/2008
- DofG I'm a Fan of DofG 50 fans permalink
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Since Mr. Obama's kids go to a private school, he maybe a little insulated from the harsh realities of teaching on the southside of Chicago. Like too many institutions in America, C PS, under Arne Duncan, is a top-down-dysfunctional-politicized-goliath of hidden patronage, with too many teachers "holding on" for retirement, hallways of rampant profanity, childern who lack self-control, high teacher absenteeism, gangs, too many pregnant girls, no real consequences for students' bad behavior, and ever seeking new teachers, far and wide, while good ones go out the back door! It's all a sham!

I taught full time for two years in a suburban school district, and subed a few years in Chicago Public Schools. And it's a truly dehumanizing experience if you have any high expectations when it comes to behavioral, and academic standards. Don't be fooled. This crap is going on in much of the country, due to the politicization of education. All one has to do is look at how our nation stacks up against other nations in individual academic disciplines, not to mention that some of our major universities are having to increasingly remediate incoming students not prepared for college level courses.

The fundamental flaw in education is pretending that we can merely "technique", and test our way to academic competence, without accounting for substantive motivation ( not just a grade) discipline, responsibility, and the other behavioral metrics that we've chosen to ignore. Remember, the markets crashed because of "bad behavior"!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:27 AM on 12/09/2008
- miamia I'm a Fan of miamia 12 fans permalink

That is an excellent point.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:59 PM on 12/09/2008
- T-Bo I'm a Fan of T-Bo permalink

I've spent most of my working life being self-employed but after 9/11 decided to get a masters in education and become a teacher. I've been at it now for 5 years and cannot imagine a more demanding job. My fellow teachers are uniformly dedicated and intelligent, we have decent resources, parent support and a good principal but the children still get short changed. Why? It would do no good to pay me any more because there are not enough hours in the day to do a better job. However, if there was an aide in my classroom--someone who could grade some of the papers in a timely manner, give individual attention to the handful of students who most need it (and allow me the time to do the same), serve as a sounding board, allow me the space to put into effect some of the great ideas we come across in our professional development--I truly believe our students would have a much better education. For me, it's the lack of time that most frustrates my desire to do a job of which I could really feel proud.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:39 PM on 12/08/2008
- DofG I'm a Fan of DofG 50 fans permalink
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It's too complicated to get into this subject here. But if one wants to understand the plight of education, one must study its history since the industrial revolution, the politics and funding of education, the over-emphasis on human achievement, rather than human development-etc., etc., etc!

To speak more to your immediate problem, it all comes down to a simple cosmological concept- we are "finite creatures" futilely trying to manage infinity as we "create" it! And with the advent of the computer, we are creating even more of it without understanding the true nature of our capacity. In other words, over ninety percent of our brains go un-used because we think we can totally manage phenomena "outside-in", rather than "inside-out"! This is pure folly! That's why life seems to be overwhelmingly sped up. Because we have drastically augmented the contents our environment without the benefit of augmenting the capacity of our consciousness, which is dual in nature!

Watch Disney's "Fantasia" with Mickey Mouse starring in the "Sorcerer's Apprentice". Interpret the symbolism, and one can see how it is a reflection of our present state. And please, do not assume that I"m seeking to offer any sectarian considerations.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:49 PM on 12/09/2008
- miamia I'm a Fan of miamia 12 fans permalink

Do you think a smaller student to teacher ratio, should be the primary solution?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:00 PM on 12/09/2008
- XME I'm a Fan of XME 26 fans permalink
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If recent adminstration selections are any indication, the only thing I'm fairly certain of is that, no matter who he picks, some Dems will be thowing fits about it!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:45 PM on 12/08/2008
- larry278 I'm a Fan of larry278 50 fans permalink

Some won't waste energy throwing fits; they will walk to another, more progressive, party. If you fool me once-shame on you. If you fool me twice-shame on me.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:40 PM on 12/08/2008
- KarateKid I'm a Fan of KarateKid 392 fans permalink
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Which one?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:52 AM on 12/09/2008
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YAWN

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:57 AM on 12/09/2008
- grata2ude I'm a Fan of grata2ude 61 fans permalink

Somebody that really takes an interest in schools would be great. Right now, my daughter is in her first year of teaching pre-k and the school where she is working their heating system isn't working right, today the temp was 26 degrees and her classroom temp was 60. The toilet in her classroom of 17 five year olds overflows every time one the little ones flush.

She shouldn't have to be cold and mopping and plunging while trying to teach kids.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:30 PM on 12/08/2008
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My problem with "teacher accountability" is this: Unruly or brutish students. Will the teachers get more leeway in disciplining students as parents might otherwise be unable (or unwilling) to parent?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:50 PM on 12/08/2008

I agree. Without giving incompetent teachers any leeway, only students who are willing to learn should remain in the classroom. All those who are in school to distract the serious student should be kicked out the school. Parents should also be held responsible. Irresponsible parents are as responsible as incompetent teachers for the degradation of our educational system.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:01 PM on 12/08/2008
- jumperpin I'm a Fan of jumperpin 9 fans permalink
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Bingo! Today's surrogate parenting, commonly referred to as K-12 schooling, is a failure at parenting - as well as education.

If one parent could commit to full-time parenting, test scores (and btw wages/salaries) would skyrocket.

There's nothing "modern" about school/community-based parenting. It's a throwback to prehistoric times when children were indeed raised by communal efforts.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:11 AM on 12/09/2008
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You guys hit on the nail. I am sooo tired of parents dumping all their responsibilities on teachers and the government. Its time that every stakeholders work together to help children

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:59 AM on 12/09/2008
- Pharos I'm a Fan of Pharos 9 fans permalink

Kick them out? Then what? "Parents should also be held responsible." How?

Slogans are easy, ask any Compassionate Conservative about it.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:56 AM on 12/09/2008
- miamia I'm a Fan of miamia 12 fans permalink

Well, I do agree that the students have discipline problems but what do you expect when you are placing them in a failed institution.

I have worked with "professional" adults who act worse than "brutish" children and it is normally a reflection of the organization's culture. If the culture can affect an adult's behavior, what effect will it have on a child?.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:05 PM on 12/09/2008

And finally, part 5...point is she sounds like a great educator and Obama should choose her!

Dr. Marshall is a member of numerous corporate and civic groups in Chicago including the Economic Club, The Commercial Club, The Executives Club, and The Chicago Network. She is also a member of the Board of Directors of Tellabs, Inc., a member of the Board of Directors of Sentry Insurance, and is a Vice-President of The Fry Foundation in Chicago. She also serves as an international consultant, keynote speaker and writer on issues critical to educational transformation. After the election of Illinois Governor Rod Blagojevich in 2002, she was appointed to be a member of his transition team.
Her book, The Power to Transform: Leadership that Brings Learning and Schooling to Life, was published (Jossey-Bass Publishers) in February 2006.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:46 PM on 12/08/2008

part 4

She is a fellow in the Royal Society for the encouragement of Arts, Manufactures and Commerce in the UK. At the invitation of Queen Noor of Jordan, she joined the Board of Directors of the Queen Noor Jubilee School in Amman, Jordan (2002).
Dr. Marshall received Loyola University’s Distinguished Alumni Award and was selected by the RJR Nabisco Corporation as one of the nation’s most innovative educational leaders. She was selected twice by the Executive Educator Magazine and the National School Boards Association as one of North America’s 100 Top School Executives and received a resolution from the Illinois General Assembly for Outstanding Contributions to Illinois Education.
The Chicago Sun Times selected her as one of the ten most powerful women in education and one of the 100 most powerful women in Chicago; she was elected into the inaugural Hall of Fame of Chicago Women’s Today (2002) and has received numerous awards and recognitions for her distinctive leadership. These include: Distinguished Service Award from the United States Marine Corps, Woman Extraordinaire Award by the International Women’s Association, Distinguished Citizen of the Year Award from the Boy Scouts of America, Van Miller Distinguished Scholar Practitioner Award from the University of Illinois, and Outstanding Women Leader of DuPage Award.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:45 PM on 12/08/2008

part 3

She is a contributor to the National Academy of Sciences book, Learning and Understanding: Improving Advanced Study of Mathematics and Science in U. S. High Schools (2002), and a chapter author for the book Organizations for the Future, published by the Drucker Foundation. She is also a chapter author for Scientific Literacy for the 21st Century. Dr. Marshall has published over 35 articles on educational innovation, educational leadership, gifted education, and mathematics and science reform.
Marshall received a BA from Queens College, City University of New York, a MA in Curriculum and Philosophy from the University of Chicago, and a Ph. D. in Educational Administration and Industrial Relations from Loyola University of Chicago. She holds three Honorary Doctorates from Illinois Wesleyan University, Aurora University, and North Central College.
Marshall served as President of the Association for Supervision and Curriculum Development International and is a member of the National Academy of Sciences Committee on Advanced Study of Mathematics and Science.
Dr. Marshall has served as the Chairman of the Great Lakes District Selection Committee for the Rhodes Scholarship, and as a member of the Commissioning Committee of the USS Abraham Lincoln. At the invitation of Mikhail Gorbachev, she became a member of the State of The World Forum, an international “think-tank” designed to study and resolve issues impacting global sustainability. She has addressed the Forum on several occasions on issues of educational transformation.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:44 PM on 12/08/2008

part 2

In 1993, Dr. Marshall was elected President of the Association for Supervision and Curriculum Development International (ASCD), the largest educational leadership organization in the world (over 175,000 members). Dr. Marshall was a consultant to the United States Department of Education’s Overseas Schools, and also to the Near East School Administrators. She continues to consult internationally and is currently working with the Government of South Australia on a major project called Learning to Learn.
Formerly the superintendent of schools in Batavia, Illinois, Marshall left her position in 1985 to found IMSA in nearby Aurora, Illinois. Working with Dr. Leon Lederman, Nobel Laureate in Physics (1988) and director emeritus of Fermi National Accelerator Laboratory, Marshall worked with the Illinois General Assembly to open a school that would specifically build talent in mathematics, science, and technology. She remains the president of IMSA. In 2005, Marshall received the Lincoln Award, the highest honor Illinois bestows upon civilians, for her life's work in the field of education.
She served as an advisor to the Education Task Force of the President’s Council of Science Advisors, as a member of the National Policy Council, the National Forum for Educational Organizational Leaders, and as a member of the National Academy of Sciences Committee on Advanced Study in Mathematics and Science in U.S. High Schools.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:43 PM on 12/08/2008
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I'm liking her :). I've never heard of her, either, so thanks much for the info.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:22 PM on 12/08/2008

here's her wikipedia biography

Dr. Stephanie Pace Marshall is an educator and the founding president of the Illinois Mathematics and Science Academy. She is also the founding president of the NCSSSMST. She is internationally recognized as a pioneer and innovative leader, teacher, speaker and writer on issues of leadership, learning and schooling, gifted and talented education, mathematics and science education, and the design of generative and life-affirming learning organizations.
She has held numerous statewide leadership positions including President of the Illinois Association of Supervision and Curriculum Development, a member of the Governor’s Science and Technology Advisory Committee, Chairman of the State Board of Education’s Gifted Policy Advisory Committee, member of the Resource Committee of the Metropolitan Planning Council of Chicago, and a member of the National Commission for the Illinois Institute of Technology. She is currently a member of the President’s Council of Northwestern University and serves on the board for Society for Science & the Public. She has taught at every educational level from elementary school through the doctoral level and has served as a member of the graduate faculty at National Louis University and Loyola University Chicago.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:42 PM on 12/08/2008
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WOW!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:21 PM on 12/08/2008
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