Obama's Afghanistan Dilemma: "Growing Dissent" On More Troops

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First Posted: 12- 8-08 02:09 PM   |   Updated: 01- 8-09 05:12 AM

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No more than one year ago, it was widely assumed that the great foreign policy challenge facing the next president would be what to do with U.S. troops in Iraq. The surge had produced a unexpected geopolitical dilemma: was the reduction of violence enough for American forces to leave, or simply affirmation that a sizable U.S. military presence was necessary?

That question, however, has largely been solved -- taken off the political shelf by the signing of a Status of Forces Agreement between the United States and Iraq. And now, somewhat remarkably, the foreign policy issue being hotly debated is one where there was once seemingly wide consensus.

Afghanistan, the so-called 'good war,' was and remains a dangerous theater. During the closing months of the presidential campaign it was taken as gospel that America needed to send more troops there. Even John McCain, initially skittish on the notion, came to argue that a greater U.S. military buildup was needed.

And yet, over the last few weeks, the progressive community that once pleaded for greater resources and attention to Afghanistan has begun to raise concerns about the idea that additional forces could change that country's increasingly dire situation.

Sen. Russ Feingold launched a major salvo just weeks before the election, when he penned an op-ed in the Christian Science Monitor, questioning the wisdom of sending more troops to Afghanistan. He was pre-dated by former National Security Adviser Zbigniew Brzezinski, who warned about the United States repeating the Soviet Union's ill-thought-out efforts in that region, during an interview with the Huffington Post. On Monday, the scales tipped even further, when the chief of the United Nations mission in Afghanistan warned that a re-intervention into the country would be pointless if not done with deep cultural sensitivities.

Obama, appearing on "Meet the Press" this past Sunday, attempted to assuage these concerns by noting the past will serve as a guide when (or if) the United States sends two additional brigades to Afghanistan.

"We do have to be mindful of the history of Afghanistan," he said. "It is tough territory. There is a fierce independence in Afghanistan. And if the perception is: we are there simply to impose ourselves in a long-term occupation that is not going to work in Afghanistan."

But with the presidential election concluded the voices of skepticism have grown only louder.

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"There is a growing dissent," Caroline Wadhams, a Senior National Security Policy Analyst for the left-leaning Center for American Progress. "I think around town there is new thinking: 'Well, what do we actually want to achieve?' The fact that they are doing all those strategic reviews reveals we are suffering the symptom of the same [foreign policy] problems [of the past]: no one is sure what our objectives are and what we should do now."

The angst is driven by a variety of concerns: what a longer-term military commitment to Afghanistan could mean for Obama's domestic and foreign policy agendas, whether the Afghanistan has the capacity to improve itself, and whether U.S. military forces are best suited for the task.

"People are understanding now how difficult it is going to be," said Wadhams. "You realize, 'Oh my god, we have so much to do and are we any good at this? Are we any good at anti-corruption? We have never been good at counter-narcotics. And how do you improve government?' These are extremely difficult objectives."

It is a sharp and remarkable contrast to the tone that members of the progressive foreign policy intelligentsia were using just several years ago. Back in September 2005, Brian Katulis and Larry Korb -- both of the Center for American Progress -- penned one of the earliest reports calling for a "strategic redeployment" of U.S. forces our of Iraq and into Afghanistan.

The study called for removing 80,000 troops coming out of Iraq and distributing "up to two active brigades [approximately 20,000 troops] ... to bolster US and NATO efforts in Afghanistan and support counter-terrorist operations in Africa and Asia. In Afghanistan, more troops are urgently needed to beat back the resurging Taliban forces and to maintain security throughout the country."

Now, as Katulis admitted himself, the same people who were championing the idea of strategic redeployment are questioning why more troops are needed. The move is driven, those analysts say, both by political and time sensitivities. A buildup in forces in Afghanistan is far different than the surge of troops in Iraq. There is more nuance as to what America aims to accomplish in the former country. Mostly, however, there is a new level of caution that comes with the responsibility of governing.

"During a campaign there is a willingness to not emphasize differences," said Max Bergmann, Deputy Policy Director at the National Security Network. "I don't think that means they were overlooked. Progressives were fully aware of the issues. But now that it is time to govern, those differences will become more public. Everyone does agree, however, that we need to refocus there."

No more than one year ago, it was widely assumed that the great foreign policy challenge facing the next president would be what to do with U.S. troops in Iraq. The surge had produced a unexpected geo...
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There was never any concensus by the public that sending more troops into Afghanistan was a good idea.

Afghanistan has never been the "good war". There is no such thing. War with Afghanistan has destroyed other countries, why wouldn't it destroy us too? The stupidest thing President Obama can do is escalate the Afghanistan war. We are killing their people. We are bombing their civilians. It's as evil a war as the one in Iraq was, and as wrong. We need to get out of Afghanistan and approach the problems in that area from another angle.

There is no such thing as a 'good war'! When did that even become a possibility?! There are only bad wars and worse wars. Obama was supposed to stop these foolish wars, not continue them.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:27 PM on 12/16/2008
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help the natives get jobs, education, free cheap laptops really !

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:25 PM on 12/09/2008
- Kartoffel I'm a Fan of Kartoffel 9 fans permalink

What is our exit strategy in Afghanistan? How is this not the same quagmire for the US that it was for the USSR? How do we pay for this unending occupation when our government is drowning in debt? How do we make our NATO allies carry their fair share of the burden? Obama hasn't answered any of these questions.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:27 PM on 12/09/2008

Psstt! I don't know if you've heard, but Obama hasn't even taken office yet! He is still over a month away from being president! He doesn't already have an "Iraq".

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:10 PM on 12/09/2008
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http://www.usatoday.com/news/military/2008-12-08-mrap_N.htm
Iraq IED threat known by US High Commands and ignored.

The depth of incompetence and hubris of our Military High command is not really appreciated by the public. What makes anyone think that dumping more troops into Afghanistan will change the equation there. Something different is needed.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:44 AM on 12/09/2008

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Afghanistan is even more problematic than Iraq. No natural resources, porous borders, and its only economic output is the Heroin trade, controlled by warlords. The drug revenues fuel the black market trade for weapons and terrorism. Reagan exploited this very system to in the Iran/Contra affair.

What to do?

Make peace with the Taliban, if they want to rule the country their way, so be it, but the heroin problem won’t go away because the country has no other source of income. To expect the government to eradicate heroine without something else to replace it is the source of the country's instability. They always choose poppies over wheat, it is too profitable. The solution becomes the legalization of heroin as a medical pain killer and the management of junkies through needle programs, Switzerland is already starting to do this. It would eliminate the black market, put the war lords out of business, and strangle the main source of funding for radical Islam.

This will be a much thornier path to success, requiring Americans to accept Islamic regimes, and legalizing drugs, will also remove a profitable sector of the pharmaceutical industry, so my solution is a very big stretch. The alternative is to pull out, let the Taliban rule, and the drug trade continue, so legitimizing the inevitable is the only option out there.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:28 AM on 12/09/2008

Iraq is just keeping time until the US leaves. The surge accomplished a little community outreach by building outposts in the neighborhoods, but the real reduction in violence had more to do with putting the local sheiks on the US payroll. We will have to continue this to buy peace, but when we leave, the Sunni's, Shiites and Kurds will go at it again, because there is no agreement as to how to share the oil revenues. The mix of money, power and tribalism will be difficult to control, that is why Saddam developed a repressive regime.

What to do?

Put a million troops on the ground in Iraq, as we did in Germany, Japan and Bosnia. This should be easy, because Obama will repair relations with Western Europe, and everyone knows if the Middle East falls, everything goes down like dominoes. A NATO coalition will look less like an American occupation, and it is the only civil way to maintain peace. I'd go one step further and get Russia and Iran involved too. There is too much oil down there, and solutions always somehow find a way to flow uphill.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:28 AM on 12/09/2008
- Sparty1 I'm a Fan of Sparty1 19 fans permalink

Can't we just get the hell out of both countries? They don't want us there. They don't want our brand of democracy. They don't want our help. Damn it, they just want to kill us. Leave them alone and let's get back to working on our country.

Bush let Osama get away with 9/11 and we're definitely not going to find him now. Unless we find the cryogenics lab that the CIA's keeping him in so that they can roll him out for a new video every now and then.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:52 AM on 12/09/2008

Our role in Afghanistan should be as healers and peacemakers in that troubled region, not warmongering, opportunist criminals. This isn't about victory vs. failure. It's about our reasons for going in the first place, which have yet to be studied. Instead, Bush-Cheney systematically brainwashed us into *believing* that Osama bin Laden was responsible for 9-11, when the FBI has yet to find one shred of hard evidence connnecting him to 9-11. Oh, we have a so-called "confession" tape, yet to be authenticated, showing bin Laden delighting over the attacks. And we have the torture-extracted confessions of the so-called masterminds. That's it.

According to a June 5, 2006 statement by Rex Tomb, Chief of Investigative Publicity for the FBI, “The reason why 9/11 is not mentioned on Osama Bin Laden’s Most Wanted page is because the FBI has no hard evidence connecting Bin Laden to 9/11.” (See the poster here: http://www.fbi.gov/wanted/terrorists/terbinladen.htm )

Instead of rearranging our war strategy, we should conduct a proper inquiry into 9-11 our reaons for warring against an entire country to "get Osama bin Laden dead or alive," for a crime he's yet to charged with. The fact that in Afghanistan, as in Iraq, the U.S. has spent the past 7 years securing our oil interests gives pause for thought, especially considering the gang of liars and crooks that took us to war in both countries.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:33 AM on 12/09/2008

The war in Afghanistan makes rich people richer. It serves no other purpose.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:23 AM on 12/09/2008
- Pdubya I'm a Fan of Pdubya 44 fans permalink

bingo. but if i comment here upon that issue, i'm annoying.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:22 PM on 12/09/2008
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If those who 'lead' us simply looked at recent history, just the 20th century, then perhaps the feelings of the other 96% of the people on this planet that the U.S. is simply the 'boss hog' of terrorism could be changed. And Afghanistan, what a great choice to 'project our power'. Hasn't every fool that tried to bend the Afganis to their will had their asses handed to them on a plate? And if the U.S. simply MUST attack an entire country for alleged "terrorism" then Israel is the natural choice. They have a long history of it because they've been at it a long time, they fit the bill as a 'rouge' State, only problem is that we arm them and pay for a human rights nightmare of concentration camps for half a century we ignore only at great peril. Go look for your self before you shrug that off. Were we to impose a peace that included Israel moving back to it's 1948 borders, apologized to and compensated those who's land we gave away all those years ago I believe the Bin Ladens and the Dick Cheneys of the world would lose most if not all their steam. And think of just the money we'd save in body bags alone.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:06 AM on 12/09/2008

That's why I didn't run for the Presidency, whew...

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:24 AM on 12/09/2008
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LOL

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:43 AM on 12/09/2008
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There ARE no objectives now -- Bush abandoned them and the means to achieve them when he invaded Iraq.

The futility of using armies against terrorism is nowhere more evident than in the attacks on Afghanistan and Iraq, though I think there were ALSO dreams of oil and an oil pipeline hidden in the psyche of the attacking government, our own.

Because the invasion of Afghanistan was conducted with no plan other than to "successfully invvade", there was no final goal to achieve before leaving. The military mission was nothing if not amorphous. There are also social forces in Afghanistan that operate just below the line of Western sight that enable the culture to continue almost unruffled EVEN WHEN foreigners occupy their land, impossible to eradicate Afghanistan is a wild country, not united by the influence of its central government in Kabul. The war-lords still run the rest of the country and know its hidden ways well. The US cannot negotiate with so many minor fiefdoms and expect the cooperation of a unified Afghanistan. Only the government in Kabul is available for some kind of negotiations and they have no influence on the rest of the country.

It's long past time to leave. Americans may have supported the initial invasion in our 911 revenge-fever, but we knew nothing then about how futile it would be, nothing about the country's terrain, nothing about how people lived, and nothing about how ineffective its central government actually WAS.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:40 AM on 12/09/2008
- Academic I'm a Fan of Academic 239 fans permalink

How long are American leaders and many of its citizens going to maintain this odious thirst for bloodletting and a punitive vendetta? What happened at 9/11 is a regrettable tragedy for those who died, their friends and family members who knew them well. But to the vast majority of Americans the dead were and still are complete strangers. Stop using their memory as an excuse for your own barbarity. The average Afghan had nothing to do with 9/11 so why punish them? Al-Qaida was created, trained and armed by the USA and Britain as an insurgency force against the Russians, a proxy war through Al-Qaida’s help their backers won before callously abandoning them, while the Taliban regime was actively supported by the West as an effective means of getting the oil from the Caspian Sea until this move was scuppered by women’s groups in the USA protesting against the Taliban’s high-powered, ministerial, US government­-sponsored trip to Texas. Mind boggling hypocrisy or what?

For centuries Britain failed to subdue Afghanistan, others also. So what hope has America? The reason is simple: the Afghans don’t like foreigners invading and running their country. And considering America’s track record of slavery, racism, segregation, Jim Crow Laws etc at home and it’s wanton usurpation of the sovereign rights of several countries worldwide – over 50 wars since the end of World War Two, you Yanks are having a laugh with your crocodile tears, aren’t you?

Professor Dr. Stanley Collymore.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:42 AM on 12/09/2008
- doctorkeys I'm a Fan of doctorkeys 7 fans permalink
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A word to the wise: Get out now. Afghanistan brought down the (superpower) USSR, and it could just as well bring down the USA. I said from the beginning that we would be there for ten years or more, and it looks like we're on our way.

We would be safer if we were less despised. The best thing we could do for ourselves would be to shut down foreign bases, pull back from these disastrous occupations, and concentrate on the colossal problems within our own borders.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:12 AM on 12/09/2008
- jake106 I'm a Fan of jake106 4 fans permalink

I would like to point out that Afghanistan only brought down the USSR with OUR help. If we had not been supplying them with weapons, that region would have been overrun and conquered thirty years ago.

And yes...I hate the fact that we've sold so many weapons to so many people across the world. Even if the original intent was to stop the spread of communism, the consequences of those weapons sales have been haunting us for decades, and will for decades more to come.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:57 AM on 12/09/2008
- Pdubya I'm a Fan of Pdubya 44 fans permalink

not quite. USSR's monetary system continued to print and borrow money to fund their war. It was their financial collapse that ended the war. Tanks etc left fully operational in the hills....

It was purposeful on some of the insiders in Russia to do that.

Sound familiar?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:11 PM on 12/09/2008
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