Fannie Mae, Freddie Mac Hearing: Testimony, Video

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UPDATE 12/09 at 3:21PM:

HuffPost's Marcus Baram reports:

Former Fannie Mae CEO Franklin Raines blamed regulators and lawmakers for encouraging the massive mortgage finance company to expand into riskier loans with limited oversight while admitting that even he had trouble understanding his own mortgage application.

Raines, who was ousted in 2004 amid accusations of accounting manipulation, told the House Oversight and Government Reform Committee today, "It is remarkable that, during the period that Fannie Mae substantially increased its exposure to credit risk, its regulator made no visible effort to enforce any limits."

He also added that homeowners shouldn't be blamed for the subprime mortgage crisis saying that he had difficulty understanding his own mortgage application.

"I know I can't [understand] and I've tried," Raines said. "To this day, I don't know what it said... It's impossible for the average person to understand" mortgage terms such as negative amortization.

Raines, his successor Daniel Mudd and former Freddie Mac CEOs Richard Syron and Leland Brendsel, faced withering questioning from congressional members wielding some of the 400,000 internal documents obtained as part of their probe into the collapse of the mortgage finance giants.

"All four of you seem to be in complete denial that Fannie and Freddie are in any way responsible for this," said Daniel Issa, the ranking Republican on the committee. "You're either standing behind the mandate of Congress or your mandate of your stockholders or perhaps the mandate of your bonus packages and you're telling us everyone's doing it."

Committee chair Henry Waxman (D-Calif.) noted some of the internal documents, including a June 27, 2005 internal presentation by Fannie that described the company as being at a "strategic crossroad" to either "stay the course" or "meet the market" by taking on risky subprime loans.

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"These documents make clear that Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac knew what they were doing," Waxman said. "Their own risk managers raised warning after warning about the dangers of investing heavily in the subprime and alternative mortgage markets."

Under harsh questioning from committee members, Raines's successor Daniel Mudd explained that it was difficult for the companies to meet their multiple obligations to earn profits for their shareholders and to promote affordable housing.

He also explained that Fannie was under pressure to compete with Wall Street banks that were also ramping up their purchases of such risky loans.

"We couldn't afford to make the bet that the changes were not going to be permanent," Mudd said.

Even as the housing boom collapsed, the companies increased their purchase of risky subprime and Alt-A securities, which totaled $158 billion in 2006 and 2007.

When asked by Carolyn Maloney (D-N.Y.) whether he regretted purchasing such a massive amount of low-documentation loans, former Freddie Mac CEO Syron initially demurred before adding,

"In perfect hindsight, I think we always wish that we hadn't bought them," Syron said. "But given the information that we had at the time and given the balance we were trying to achieve, we thought we were making the right decision."

When confronted with memos from Freddie Mac risk manager David Andrukonis that warned about the company's increasing purchase of such risky loans, Syron said he never saw them, prompting Maloney to speculate that either he or Andrukonis were not telling the truth.

Asked why Andrukonis was fired, Syron said that there were a "variety of reasons."

Under tough questioning by Republican Dan Burton, Raines addressed controversies such as reports that he received a preferential mortgage from Countrywide CEO Angelo Mozillo. "I am unaware of preferential treatment by Countrywide... I never talked [to Mozillo] about special treatment."


Four former top executives from Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac are appearing in Washington today to testify about the collapse and government takeover of the mortgage giants.

Check back throughout the day for news and video updates from the hearing.

Watch live video from hearings, courtesy of MSNBC.


From the AP:

Four former top executives are scheduled to be grilled at the hearing, which is being led by Rep. Henry Waxman, D-Calif., chairman of the House Oversight and Government Reform Committee, starting at 10 a.m. EST. But there are doubts about whether the hearing will produce any solid conclusions or will just devolve into partisan bickering.


"I think we're going to get a lot of finger-pointing, which will be totally unproductive," said Bert Ely, a banking industry consultant in Alexandria, Va.

Fannie and Freddie, which own or guarantee around half the $11.5 trillion in U.S. outstanding home loan debt, long used their lobbying muscle in Washington to thwart efforts to impose tighter regulation.

In anticipation of today's hearing the Washington Post is reporting that top executives at both companies were warned years ago of the possibly long term effect of their lending practices:

Internal Freddie Mac documents show that senior executives at the company were warned years ago that they were offering mortgages that could pose dangers to the firm, hurt borrowers and generate more risky loans throughout the industry.


At Fannie Mae, top executives were told it was necessary to develop "underground" efforts to buy subprime mortgages because of competitive pressures, although there were growing risks and borrowers often didn't understand the terms of the loans, documents show. [...]

In a memo to former Freddie chief executive Richard F. Syron and other top executives, former Freddie chief enterprise risk officer David Andrukonis wrote that the company was buying mortgages that appear "to target borrowers who would have trouble qualifying for a mortgage if their financial position were adequately disclosed."

Andrukonis warned that these mortgages could be particularly harmful for Hispanic borrowers, and they could lead to loans being made to people who would be unlikely to pay them off. "The potential for the perception and the reality of predatory lending with this product is great," Andrukonis wrote.

The documents, which the committee has not yet released but were obtained by The Washington Post, show that Fannie and Freddie, two linchpins of the nation's mortgage market, continued to push into new, risky markets despite internal debate over whether the efforts were prudent.

UPDATE 12/09 at 3:21PM: HuffPost's Marcus Baram reports: Former Fannie Mae CEO Franklin Raines blamed regulators and lawmakers for encouraging the massive mortgage finance company to expand into ris...
UPDATE 12/09 at 3:21PM: HuffPost's Marcus Baram reports: Former Fannie Mae CEO Franklin Raines blamed regulators and lawmakers for encouraging the massive mortgage finance company to expand into ris...
 
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Republicans who controlled Congress at the time.

Internal Freddie Mac budget records show $11.7 million was paid to 52 outside lobbyists and consultants in 2006. Power brokers such as former House Speaker Newt Gingrich were recruited with six-figure contracts. Freddie Mac paid the following amounts to the firms of former Republican lawmakers or ex-GOP staffers in 2006:

_Sen. Alfonse D'Amato of New York, at Park Strategies, $240,000.

_Rep. Vin Weber of Minnesota, at Clark & Weinstock, $360,297.

_Rep. Susan Molinari of New York, at Washington Group, $300,062.

_Susan Hirschmann at Williams & Jensen, former chief of staff to House Majority Leader Tom DeLay, R-Texas, $240,790.

Freddie Mac's chairman and chief executive, Dick Syron, and McLoughlin, senior vice president for external relations, used Clark and Weinstock extensively, Weber said in an e-mail Friday.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:31 PM on 12/09/2008
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In 2006 at a very critical point in time (the height of toxic loans) Newt fought off regulation.

In 2006, Freddie Mac paid the former House Speaker $300,000 to help fight off potential regulation. "Gingrich talked and wrote about what he saw as the benefits of the Freddie Mac business model,"

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:41 PM on 12/09/2008

You know what. If you put ANY company in America under the microscope that Fannie Mae was put under in the past 5 years, you would find all kind of accounting irregularities and issues. Frank Raines and Dan Mudd are good men who made business decisions based on the information they had. They tried to balance the difficult situation with Fannie Mae---they had to drive up profits for Wall Street and their shareholders, yet they had to meet sometimes ridiculous government goals for low mod and affordable housing---which led to them taking on some of the riskier loans. Fannie Mae was not Enron, and the people running it were not crooks. They had a difficult mission--private and public and tried to balance it and slamming Fannie Mae for soundbite purposes is not only wrong, it is just plain irresponsible (F*ck you John McCain for bashing Fannie Mae during the campaign---like you would understand the situation anyway you dumb sh*t). For one thing, Fannie Mae did very little of the subprime business. Yes, they made bad business decisions in hindsight, but I would encourage people to take a closer look at Fannie Mae before judging them. They were made a scapegoat by windbags like McCain and GW (F*ck him too) and it is just not that simple.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:20 PM on 12/09/2008
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is that you barney frank?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:52 PM on 12/09/2008

If mortgage documents were written in an 8th or 10th grade level, instead of a 24 to 27 grade level, then the mortgage industry, if it in fact operates as a slight-of-hand, or pyramid scheme, would be known to the majority of homeowners, not so, in a 24 to 27 grade level language, let's face it.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:14 PM on 12/09/2008
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"I know I can't [understand] and I've tried," Raines said. "To this day, I don't know what it said... It's impossible for the average person to understand" mortgage terms such as negative amortization."

And he was in charge of Fannie Mae? WTF?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:28 PM on 12/09/2008

Government created the problem, capital hill strong armed lenders to write these bad loans under the threat of racism (community reinvestment act). The Bush admin tried to put regs in place but were denied by the dems, Raines , Barney Fwank, Chris Dodd should be under indictment , crooked theives.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:01 PM on 12/09/2008

Finally someone at the top has said - "don't blame the homeowners the documents were beyond decipherible."

I have a feeling none of these top guys knew what thehell they were doing , the were just in a testosterone addled frenzy to out compete the next guy in profits.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:52 PM on 12/09/2008
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So, Franklin Raines could not figure it all out. HUMMM! Then why was he anointed into the position of CEO? Does not anyone do interviewing? I will tell you, I am no financial expert, but I did understand the mortgage debacle and how it all came down. I am sick and tired of nitwits getting into CEO positions. It is an epidemic. Call a doctor and hospitalize the lot of them for thinking they are worth 700 times more than their lowest paid worker.

http://eye-on-washington.blogspot.com

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:29 PM on 12/09/2008
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At any rate, the finger-pointing at Fannie and Freddie is all a ruse; it was the private bankers who created this problem, with their derivatives.

But these loans, and those to low- and moderate-income families represent a small portion of overall lending. And at the height of the housing boom in 2005 and 2006, Republicans and their party's standard bearer, President Bush, didn't criticize any sort of lending, frequently boasting that they were presiding over the highest-ever rates of U.S. homeownership.

Between 2004 and 2006, when subprime lending was exploding, Fannie and Freddie went from holding a high of 48 percent of the subprime loans that were sold into the secondary market to holding about 24 percent, according to data from Inside Mortgage Finance, a specialty publication. One reason is that Fannie and Freddie were subject to tougher standards than many of the unregulated players in the private sector who weakened lending standards, most of whom have gone bankrupt or are now in deep trouble.

During those same explosive three years, private investment banks " not Fannie and Freddie " dominated the mortgage loans that were packaged and sold into the secondary mortgage market. In 2005 and 2006, the private sector securitized almost two thirds of all U.S. mortgages, supplanting Fannie and Freddie, according to a number of specialty publications that track this data.

http://www.mcclatchydc.com/251/story/53802.html

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:14 PM on 12/09/2008
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I watched all of these airings and there were some really heated moments one of the strongest was when Dennis Kucinich went into Mudd for his cutting the budget of Fannie Mae's risk manager and ignoring the Risk Managers warnings of this bad paper they were accepting...

I every case not one of these men CEO's took any responsibility for their decisions of the circumstances that arose and the conditions which now exist..not one of them....!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:13 PM on 12/09/2008
    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:10 PM on 12/09/2008

Carolab - Frank was the chairperson of the committee that oversaw fannie/freddie. He saw the statistics on all the bundled loans and allowed it to continue. In fact, it was a very close very personal partner of his that was writing program guidelines for fannie/freddie during the worst of the mess.

This is not an attack, it is just the truth . You can look it up in the congressional records - not some crank left or right website.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:18 PM on 12/09/2008
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Read and learn what Frank actually did.

http://colorado.mediamatters.org/items/200809230001

And, furthermore, the subprime crisis wasn't caused by Fannie and Freddie; it was caused by the private mortgage lenders.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:47 PM on 12/09/2008

Negative amortization? They can make up any words they want, they all mean one thing: Ripoff.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:36 PM on 12/09/2008

It is stunning that Bill Clinton would appoint Franklin Raines as his Budget Director knowing that Raines does not understand mortgages or negative amortization. My 16 year old some understands it -

What is more troubling is that Raines graduated from Harvard Law and you are supposed to be brilliant if that happens.

Worst of all - how can you get a $100 Million bonus for running Freddie into the ground if you don't even understand your own mortgage???? I hope it wasn't a very big mortgage - then again if you are getting a $100 Million for a bonus I guess it doesn't matter if you understand morgages or not.

Why isn't this guy in prison?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:11 PM on 12/09/2008
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Fannie and Freddie didn't cause this crisis. If you want to blame someone, blame Greenspan.

http://moneynews.newsmax.com/streettalk/housing_crisis/2008/12/09/159837.html

Greenspan's denial of the possibility of a housing bubble has been widely derided in the past year, but a single statement could be excused as human error. However, a quick scan shows that this wasn't a single event. He also promoted the adoption and expansion of adjustable-rate mortgage (ARM) products in early 2004, when short-term rates were at or near historic lows. That same year he claimed, "securitization by Fannie and Freddie allows mortgage originators to separate themselves from almost all aspects of risk associated with mortgage lending." And separate themselves they did, ceasing to perform any kind of due diligence as to the ability of borrowers to pay for the homes they were buying.

Now retired from his role as the nation's monetary conscience, Greenspan continues to espouse his, er, theories on the financial crisis through editorials in which he denies any culpability for the events of the past three years. He is also applying his experience and insight as an advisor for Paulson & Company, a hedge fund which cashed in on billions of dollars by calling the collapse of the subprime mortgage market that Greenspan helped create.
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Or you could blame McCain's lobbyists:

http://www.motherjones.com/mojoblog/archives/2008/09/9663_mccain_fannie_freddie.html

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:56 PM on 12/09/2008
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Absolutely, along with Paulson, Bernake and Greenspan. Until someone has to pay real consequences, this will never stop. What I mean by real consequences, is jail a real jail. Not a fancy country club setting, where they have enough time and contacts to figure our how to do it again. America is sick of these guys getting theirs coming and going.
If they are a large part of what runined the company by making millions and doing nothing. Then why in the name of God, would they be allowed to continue to manage the money. People are sleeping in the streets and these guys get to say, I'm sorry and go home with millions of $'s in benefits. Nothing about this is right. And the fact that the American people have to pay this money back is a sin. Any state legislature that voted for the bailout should be voted out.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:10 PM on 12/09/2008

"It is remarkable that, during the period that Fannie Mae substantially increased its exposure to credit risk, its regulator made no visible effort to enforce any limits."

This guy is a CEO and he blames the regulator ?!?!? But ... but.... but no one stopped me....

What chuzpah ........... like the guy who murders his parents and pleads for leniency because he's an orphan.

A shameful performance.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:27 PM on 12/09/2008

The rich get richer and the little guys always get screwed

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:12 PM on 12/09/2008
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Okay, let me get the straight. The big dude from Fannie, stated that he DID NOT understand his own mortgage contract? Wow.
Either this man is in a job that he is not qualified for, or the mortgage contracts are beyond the understanding of those that draw them up. In the first case, it is obvious from the mess fannie is in that this man is not qualified for the position he holds. In the second case if the bid dude doesnt understand, it seems to me that since he was in the position of power to do something about it, he would have. Something like having the contracts written in clear layman terms than even a cave man could understand {(lol) love that commercial}.
Either way, they should put a layman in charge of those two compaines. Heck Ill do it. I have a ton of common sense, some business savy too, and I know how to treat people with dignity and respect unlike these clowns.
Charles J for President./CEO Freddie and HUD. I need two VP"S any takers
LETS KICK SOME BOOTIE AND CLEAN THIS MESS UP> LOL

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:17 PM on 12/09/2008

I'm with you all the way, CharlesJ! And I do have mortgage experience and can explain every detail of the loan process. Hemkit for VP!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:49 PM on 12/09/2008

Not to be missed. If you never want to read another article about the meltdown, you've got to at least read this one
Corporate Fools
http://www.vanityfair.com/magazine/2009/01/stiglitz200901

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:14 PM on 12/09/2008

Outrageous! These CEOs fire the Risk Managers who tell them the payoff isn't worth the risk - and they get fired for it.? These CEOs totally ignore their fiduciary responsibility and then they have the gall to say, "I did it because I was stupid and didn't know any better?"

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:58 PM on 12/09/2008

SOMEBODY pleeeease tell my why these people are CEOs... WE need to FIRE THE BOARDS of Directors...

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:15 PM on 12/09/2008

The "board of directors" for fannie and freddie are the senate and house banking committees chaired by Dodd and Frank

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:24 PM on 12/09/2008
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