Obama's Churchgoing Habits Overexamined By Politico [UPDATED]

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First Posted: 12- 9-08 01:02 AM   |   Updated: 01- 8-09 05:12 AM

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Recently, Politico's Jonathan Martin and Carol E. Lee wrote a nonsensically long article on Obama's post-election church-going habits that read like an undergraduate composition assignment and was just as boring. It didn't mention how George W. Bush rarely went to church during his time as President, either, which would have gone a long way to making MediaMatters happy, but would have made the piece even more long and boring.

Then, on December 7, Politico's Ben Smith picked up the ball and wrote a blog post on the topic that was also boring and inconsequential but nevertheless superior to Martin's in that it was blessedly short.

Then John Judis wrote a short and overheated post on center-left nerd journal The New Republic's "The Plank" blog about how the Politico was all invading Obama's privacy, even though we bet a) Judis has probably complained about how secretive the Bush administration is, at least once in his life, and b) The Politico didn't really expose anything about Obama's private life.

And then, Media Matters tied it all together in one long litany of complaint, which subsequently spawned a response post from Ben Smith.

At no time did any normal person, encountering any part of this story, fail to experience the effects of deadly, crushing dullness.

It's hard for me to pick a side in the whole affair. This is because the stakes are so terrifyingly low! Nothing in our lives hinges on whether or when or where or how President-Elect Barack Obama goes to church. The only place is seems to matter is to media types, off chasing picayune inanities.

Anyway, here's some relevant things you need to know, that speak to why this boring story was made a part of our lives.

1. You should realize that Politico is about detail, not thought. They are about activity, not achievement. They basically do a whole lot of tick-tock stuff, a lot of campaign press release stuff, a lot of what happened stuff, and they'll try to do it fast. They're pretty good at it too. Unlike Mark Halperin's The Page, you don't feel like you've been cheated or shamed, and Politico's main competitors -- The Hill and Roll Call -- are built on websites that Boing Boing would classify as steampunk.


2. So, if you want to know what happened, you could do worse than Politico. Just don't ask them for analysis because it will be an agglutination of only the most conventional of wisdom, topped off by -- depending on who writes it -- borderline psychopathic egomania.

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3. Politico is basically obsessed with territorialism and exclusivity. Remember that time an otherwise unassuming reporter from a little-known outfit called the Capitol Standard tried to point out to the Politico's Josephine Hearn that she didn't, in fact, break a bunch of news she thought she had? Hearn defended her claim like it was a life and death struggle for survival, instead of a nothing story that no one was going to remember a week later anyway.

4. Because of this, the worst thing Media Matters could have done was draw attention to these dumb Obama-church stories, because it all but assures that it's going to become some kind of "beat" now at Politico, and it will never ever go away.

5. At the same time, Ben Smith should probably acknowledge how stupid it was to say, "If nothing else, the tone of the responses reflect how defensive the left still is on faith." The "left" isn't defensive about their faith, for starters. Also, John Judis, Eric Boehlert and Jamison Foer don't get to be stand-ins for "the left," because they are just three dudes. In actuality, it would have been more accurate for Smith to write: "If nothing else, the tone of the responses reflect how these three dudes are ready to saddle up and complain about the most niggling things."

Basically, there's really nothing more to say about it. Does anyone really want the Politico to go back through eight years of Sundays to chronicle George W. Bush's churchgoing habits, and put things back in balance? No! Because we are not insane people! We take it on faith that President Bush's storied incompetence was not learned in church. So: let's just agree that anyone who writes any future blog posts about Barack Obama's churchgoing habits is terrible and boring and probably deserves to be laid off.

Besides, all of you are hypocrites anyway, because none of you go to church. You sit and watch those horrible Sunday Morning Political Shows. And they don't count as church unless you are watching them out of penitence, like me.

UPDATE: Remember when we said, "...let's just agree that anyone who writes any future blog posts about Barack Obama's churchgoing habits is terrible and boring and probably deserves to be laid off?" Yeah, well, Ben Smith, predictably, rushed in to lay claim to that title. Chances are, he felt like he was in a RACE AGAINST TIME to advance THIS CRITICAL STORY. He also seems to think that I wrote a story "about Obama's church attendance." Ha! I have done no enterprise reporting on that matter and hope to always be able to say that!

At least he counted every blessed word I wrote. Like I said: Activity over achievement!

Recently, Politico's Jonathan Martin and Carol E. Lee wrote a nonsensically long article on Obama's post-election church-going habits that read like an undergraduate composition assignment and was jus...
Recently, Politico's Jonathan Martin and Carol E. Lee wrote a nonsensically long article on Obama's post-election church-going habits that read like an undergraduate composition assignment and was jus...
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A place of worship is a place for prayer and contemplation. There are many talking here, but are there enough listening? P-E Obama might go (or not go) on the basis of duty and sincerity. Some of the people here are demeaning and/or ignorant about matters (not people) that escape their understanding. They "Try to Make it Real, but Compared to What?"

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:14 PM on 12/10/2008

Religious faith can be a very powerful motivating factor in peoples lives. This applies to both the public and politicians. We have seen this with the current president. It is a mistake to dismiss religious belief as something inconsequential. There can in fact be serious consequences when a person believes a god is telling him/her to do something. As an atheist, I am pleased that Obama did not run to church after the election to thank the supernatural for his victory. Because the reality is Obama's victor is due to hard work by an excellent candidate, the team around him, and his supporters and the people who took the time to vote for him. There is no evidence whatsoever that the victory had anything to do with the supernatural. I would also add that unfortunately, Obama introduced religion into his campaign, by repeatedly making speeches in churches, participating in the ill-advised religious test "forum" at Saddleback Church with McCain, and claiming to want to create "God's Kingdom" on earth. Hopefully Obama will now be our secular president, and leave the "god talk" to the clerics.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:57 AM on 12/10/2008
- johnwinner I'm a Fan of johnwinner 13 fans permalink

Throughout the campaign, until the election, Smith was positioned as Politico's 'liberal Democrat' balancing Martin's "conservative Republican" role. NowMartin has been moved to "reporter" status, and Smith stands revealed as conservative Republican. Can we now at last admit that Politico has always been nothing more than another right-wing con-job? (And Yahoo still uses them as primary commentary-reference, which tells you their bias, too.)

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:48 AM on 12/10/2008
- susanhb I'm a Fan of susanhb 4 fans permalink

When I do my daily news up-date reading, number one on my interest agenda is our new PE's latest contribution to improving our economy. So far he has an A+ on all fronts.
He has done more since elected than our sad excuse for White House resident during his entire "lodging" period. Without the screw-ups as well.
I am totally not interested in his "church attendance", would not even bother to read an article about it.
I does not help me with my awful financial situation,my family's struggle or our health. What relieves my stress is the hope I get reading about our PE's constant search to improve the pathetic state this country has fallen in. We can thank the many right wingers for whom religion is so important for that horrible fall. So please stop shoving church and religion down our throats. Use your supposed faith and prayers to improve our lives. There are deeply religious people in this country that quietly help in their communities without flying that "false compassion" flag. Let's join them to help our new president and make his job easier to help us.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:35 AM on 12/10/2008
- Verified I'm a Fan of Verified 14 fans permalink

Totally agree re: Politico. Here's my favorite quote on their topic of Obama not going to church since the election because he is reluctant to impose a lot of controversy yet on a congregation.

"Both President-elect George W. Bush and President-elect Bill Clinton managed to attend church in the weeks after they were elected."

Bush and Clinton managed to attend? Did they forget to say Nanny-nanny-boo-boo?

Perhaps they forgot to say that Obama's been working 24/7 SINCE the election and maybe we'd all better be praying for him!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:02 AM on 12/10/2008
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The less he goes, the better I like him.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:55 AM on 12/10/2008
- MarionWatts I'm a Fan of MarionWatts 109 fans permalink
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I could care less if Obama never saw the inside of a church for the next 8 years. I deplore the fact that every person Presidential candidate feels he/she has to declare himself/herself a person of faith, if not a particular, Christian faith. Or any faith. It simply shouldn't matter. If a person chooses to follow a particular religion, or even if he doesn't, it's a private matter. It shouldn't be a prerequisite that a potential President should be a follower of any faith. In a free country, it shouldn't matter if the President actually says he follows no faith, that he's an agnostic or an atheist or that as far as God is concerned, he simply doesn't know. I actually imagine most of the intelligent politicians in power in the US tend toward the sceptical variety, but are pragmatist to know that certain sectors of American connect with people of faith, responding in kind to such politicians. After all, Henri IV, a Protestant who was handed the throne of France said, 'A Mass is not too high a price to pay for the Crown of France.'

I would welcome a secular President. I would rejoice if the American people proved themselves mature enough to actually listen to the policies espoused by a Presidential candidate and evaluate him/her on the basis of how those policies could affect and better their lives, rather than deciding the worst candidate is actually the best simply because he 'believes'.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:54 PM on 12/09/2008

well, MarionWatts, you're too cool for school! I love it, agree with you wholeheartedly. However, I think it will be a long time before we have a general constituency who would see it in such a rational way. Until then, we're lucky we have Barry.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:43 AM on 12/10/2008
- jade7243 I'm a Fan of jade7243 130 fans permalink

I quit reading Politico earlier in the campaign cycle only to be sucked in once more. I have tried to break this bad habit once again.

Politico: Hackneyed Hacks Gone Haywire.

Perhaps if we ignore them, they will go away. (unfortunately, as I type this, with Tube tuned to MSNBC and Hardball, that Chiclet-toothed Jonathan Martin is pontificating about Rod Blagojevich.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:30 PM on 12/09/2008
- theone718 I'm a Fan of theone718 23 fans permalink
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Jason Linkins>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Ben Smith

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:34 PM on 12/09/2008
- strangelet I'm a Fan of strangelet 27 fans permalink

I imagine Ben used a word-counting routine. That way he wouldn't even have to read your article.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:31 PM on 12/09/2008
- dfranz I'm a Fan of dfranz 88 fans permalink
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The whole church thing is out of control. First of all churches are really exclusive clubs many of which preach that if you don't believe like them, you can't get to heaven. Secondly, religion has no place in politics. It has been made an issue since "W" told an interviewer that Jesus was his favorite philosopher prior to the 2000 election. Third, Obama has been kind of busy lately. In reality, religion is a personal thing not some kind of badge you wear around to show everyone how pious you are. Politico is just inventing news. Is Rupert Murdock Ben Smith's silent partner?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:33 PM on 12/09/2008
- DofG I'm a Fan of DofG 50 fans permalink
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Funny thing is that Luna, the closest object to planet Earth, is about 385,000km away. Maybe we are already in heaven! And maybe heaven is in us!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:06 PM on 12/09/2008
- spartanmom I'm a Fan of spartanmom 14 fans permalink

The sky starts at the ground so you could be right

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:38 PM on 12/09/2008
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Has Politico ever written a story on Cheney's church - I hear he wears horns and a long red tail when he attends ... some observers have seen animals strapped to the alter as Cheney rips the poor things heart out & eats it.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:41 PM on 12/09/2008
- jnah I'm a Fan of jnah 6 fans permalink

don't be silly evil robots don't go to church, I heard he eats orphans to keep himself running though

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:53 PM on 12/09/2008
- Whatashame I'm a Fan of Whatashame 19 fans permalink
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Everthing Obama does or doesn't do is a topic of conversation. The MSM is soooo stupid. Somtimes when I read certain things I LOL. The MSM does not know Obama, yet they keep writing stupid articles about him.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:30 PM on 12/09/2008

Who gives a rat's south end when, where, or whether Obama goes to church? In case no one noticed, it's the Electoral College that's meeting next Monday to formally elect him, not the College of Cardinals.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:20 PM on 12/09/2008

Good job, Jason! The sort of attention currently being paid to Obama's
churchgoing is inane, as is most of the reaction to it. Yes, he goes to church,
yes he listens, and yes he goes to churches that have something to say from God.
The clergy he listens to are not Catholic-hating megachurch egomaniacs (McCain's Hagen), are not
witch-hunters who drive innocent women from town (Palin's hometown preacher), and are not long-dead authors in privately-read writings like My Best for His Highest (Bush). Obama's clergy, the
ones he can stay with, are public, are accountable to God and to the gathered people who
worship, and apply the word of God critically to the problems of today. They are people who are committed to all people, no exceptions. Moses, Elijah, Isaiah and Jesus all criticized and resisted the unjust power of their contemporary rulers. Faithful clergy do the same. Good religion is serious business, and is not for the weak of stomach. It is inherently political, because if one listens properly and has any sense of justice, one will be moved and empowered to challenge unjust power and to transform society into a place where goodness and mercy reign.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:05 PM on 12/09/2008
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