Bill Ayers On Hardball: Calls Accusations "Profoundly Dishonest" (VIDEO)

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First Posted: 12-10-08 07:01 PM   |   Updated: 01-10-09 05:12 AM

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"I don't tend to watch television news...I have three grown sons who kind of filter those things and they sent it to me."

That's Bill Ayers, making an appearance this evening on Hardball, with Chris Matthews. Once of the Weather Underground, Ayers was more recently a central figure in the vast booga-foo nightmare that the GOP tried to paralyze the nation with to prevent the election of Barack Obama, because they didn't have any ideas or policies they wanted to talk about instead. I guess. I mean, such things could have been useful to a presidential campaign or something! Anyway, instead, we had loud braying about how Obama and Ayers might have met at some point, and Obama's failure to strike Ayers down in cold blood for his crimes was proof that they were in cahoots with one another. Or, in the parlance of Alaska Secessionists, "pallin' around."

Asked about his reaction to Palin's "palling around with terrorists remark, Ayers said: "I thought it was outrageous and profoundly dishonest, and I chose not to react to it at the time."

Ayers added, "I was on a board with President-Elect Obama, we did live in the same neighborhood, but the dishonesty of the narrative is that if you can place two people in the same room or prove that they took a bus downtown together, that they're somehow responsible for one anothers politics, policies, outlook, and behavior, and that seems to me to be patently absurd."

Matthews, along the way, talks about supposed Weather Underground targets like the Pentagon and the Capitol building having special "resonance" because they were hit on 9/11. I know, I know...unlike the Weather Underground, al Qaeda did not furnish evacuation warnings in advance of their attacks. Also, despite what Chris Matthews thinks, the Capitol Building was actually NOT ATTACKED ON 9/11.

Of those bombings, Ayers says, "I don't defend those actions...what I try to do in Fugitive Days is try to understand how this young man...in that context could find himself in these extreme positions." Lots of passive voice in the description, huh? "I think we made enormous mistakes," Ayers says, adding, "I think there were terrible things done." Ayers goes on to say he favors a sort of "truth and reconciliation" moment where everyone comes clean about what they did during the Vietnam War. Somehow I think Robert McNamara isn't going to see eye to eye with this concept.

"I don't want to defend what we did, nor do I think it was completely insane," Ayers says. Matthews remembers some demonstrations and some activism from the period, that he felt was more effective than bombing. What is it that distinguishes a protesting assemblage from a cabal of bombers? Desperation borne of solitude, perhaps. I'm tempted to say: the sort of narcissism that inspires a man to make sure the first thing he says to a TV newsman is that he doesn't watch television news.

For what it's worth, Chris Matthews' judgment was that Bill Ayers was a changed man. Make of that what you will.

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"I don't tend to watch television news...I have three grown sons who kind of filter those things and they sent it to me." That's Bill Ayers, making an appearance this evening on Hardball, with Chris ...
"I don't tend to watch television news...I have three grown sons who kind of filter those things and they sent it to me." That's Bill Ayers, making an appearance this evening on Hardball, with Chris ...
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It is nice to see Ayers' actions finally put into the context of the times. I asked a reporter during the election why they didn't report on the 60s and what was happening in the country at that time. He told me that no one was interested and no one would listen. Maybe,he was right...I don't know. But in order to understand BA, you have to undersand the political and social climate of the 60s.

Just like the Iraqi war, we had an adminstration who lied to the American people. It really wasn't until Walter Cronkite starting doing nightly news reports from Vietman that people starting realizing what was really happening in country. Under the Bush administration, reporters are hamstrung by the Adminstration on what they can and cannot report. We get most of the news about Iraq from the administra­tion...not from journalists. We are only allowed to know what they want us to hear.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:51 AM on 12/11/2008

'under the Bush admin... reporters are hamstrung' (?!?)

you must not watch the news that much

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:19 AM on 12/11/2008
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Your comment is true for the past 3 years or so, but certainly during the buildup to the war (and at least the first few years) there was a nationwide moratorium on dissenting views. The only access most journalists had for a significant portion of the war thus far has been military press releases as the conditions outside the green zone have been far too hazardous and unstable. The piece that Richard Engel has on his experiences during this time period is a case in point. Much respect to him for doing what he could to bring us a small taste of daily life in Iraq.

In respect to being 'hamstrung' there is a laundry list of subjects surrounding the war that are not reported to this day (images of dead soldiers, the actual costs of the war including private contracts, the corruption of the Iraqi government, and on and on)

The more recent pull away from news in Iraq has been due to the election, the economy, and the lack of profit for news outlets in the U.S.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:12 AM on 12/11/2008
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Marx: The Bush Administration FORBIDS journalists to cover the families of the fallen soldiers, UNLIKE the Nam war, Bush FORBIDS journalists to photograph the thousands of coffins that our fallen soldiers are in. Bush Administration CENSORS what they allow the journalists to cover.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:34 AM on 12/11/2008
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Pearl89 - Awesome post! You are right on all points!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:33 AM on 12/11/2008
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For me this is still a non-story. Whether ayers is a horrible person or not is largely irrelevant because his relationship with obama was practically fabricated.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:45 AM on 12/11/2008
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Timm - good point

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:36 AM on 12/11/2008
- roshni I'm a Fan of roshni 167 fans permalink

That too.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:05 AM on 12/11/2008
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With all the free publicity Bill Ayers got, he should consider running for public office. He is got a head start over the no-name candidates. He certainly is showing the capacity to formulate a cohesive message and stand by it. In a convoluted way, his early radicalism qualifies him as an agent of healing for what actually took place in Vietnam. Ayers for governor!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:36 AM on 12/11/2008

you're a sic hu.man.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:58 AM on 12/11/2008

Agree. He could replace Blagovich. Intelligence, integrity and not motivated by greed.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:15 AM on 12/11/2008
- jillsond I'm a Fan of jillsond 159 fans permalink
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Dear Bill Ayers,

Thank you for thoughtfully defending your past actions and explaining to the uninformed what you did to protest the Vietnam war.

One would hope that the skeptics out there will google to their heart's content, do some research on their own, and come to an informed conclusion of what actually took place during the Vietnam War, how citizens protested during that time, and how some, including, but not exclusively you, chose to make themselves heard.

Thank you for continuing to speak out against injustice.

Jill

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:18 AM on 12/11/2008

what about the justice for those that Bill Ayers killed?

jillsond, wake up from your social injustice fantasy.

unreal. *jaw dropped*

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:49 AM on 12/11/2008
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Ayers never killed anybody.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:00 AM on 12/11/2008
- callmemara I'm a Fan of callmemara 12 fans permalink
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you are the uninformed one here. Ayers never killed anyone. People grow up and it seems this man has. He was in his early 20's when he protested a war. Was he stupid? No doubt. But I lived through the Vietnam war. It was senseless. We shouldn't have been there. I lost relatives. Did you?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:15 AM on 12/11/2008
- viflyer I'm a Fan of viflyer 27 fans permalink

You know, if you are going to come here and open your YAP, at least have your facts correct.

Where were YOU during the Vietnam war.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:20 AM on 12/11/2008
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Can you name one person that Bill Ayers killed?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:56 AM on 12/11/2008
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Marx: BA did NOT k i l l anyone.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:39 AM on 12/11/2008
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So do you think all of us who see injustice should bomb buildings, target judges and politicians, what a strange world you want to live in. Fight injustice with violence. I hope people who think that way will always be called terrorists, because that's what they are.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:11 AM on 12/11/2008
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Mattie - You have totally not listened to a word BA said. Open your mind and let in reality.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:39 AM on 12/11/2008
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Nothing wrong with wanting to be heard, problem I have is when one chooses to be "heard" via pipe bombs laden with nails and C4 explosives.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:48 AM on 12/11/2008

The Weather Underground DID kill some people. Certainly, the three Brinks Truck guards in the 1980's. The policeman in San Francisco is a bit hazier. And certainly Ayers is fine with being hazy about it. As he said in his book (paraphrase here): "Certain facts cannot be told." No statute of limitations on murder, you know.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:42 PM on 12/11/2008
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The body count of civilians killed in Iraq is nearing 100,000. In Vietnam, it was 160,000. It is something the American government does not talk about very much. And judging from the comments made by the Sarah Palins of the world, I don't think they care either. They speak of how our soldiers are fighting for OUR freedom, just like they did in Vietnam.

Bill Ayers has admitted the Weather Underground made errors, but he believed in his cause, which, if you think about it, was just.

58,000 soldiers died in Vietnam. Why??? Because a bunch of old fogies were afraid of the Domino Theory, that the whole world would go Communist. Hundreds of thousands were wounded, and scarred for life.

I was one of the lucky ones, but I have a wound that still requires that I change the dressing twice a day, and for the last 40 years I've had to do that. I was hit by flying shrapnel from a VC land mine, and I have an eColi infection. Three died in that explosion so I've been living on house money for 40 years.

I don't look at Bill Ayers as my enemy; I look at him as someone who tried to stop the madness. His methods may have been wrong at times, but at least he cared. That's more than what I can say about someone like Kissinger.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:05 AM on 12/11/2008
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THANKS for your comments. I find it hard to swallow the little weasels that come here and make their stupid, ignorant comments about what Ayers did.

Anyone who lived throught hat period and opposed that war understands EXACTLY where Ayers was coming from and why he did what he did,. Desperate situations produce desperate actions by some individuals.

Funny how BANKERS can destroy this country and ruin the lives of millions of our citizens, and we can go fight a needless war and kill millions of Iraqis, but these little worms come here and trash Ayers. You might think they would take their OUTRAGE out on the billions given to the Iraqi war profiteers, who we started this war for, but NO. They have petty little brains with a truly warped and narrow view of the world.

THEY REALLY don't have a clue.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:29 AM on 12/11/2008

bankers destroyed this country? uhh... no.

It is you, viflyer, who do not have a clue... your comments strain credibility.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:23 AM on 12/11/2008
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Thank you KarateKid for both your service to our country and your posting. One of the differences during the Vietnam period was that the draft was in effect and many young people were not only protesting about the war, but also to keep their butts out of the line of fire. Like you I don't condone violence, but when the frustration rises to the limits, those who care feel they must do something.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:00 AM on 12/11/2008

yikes... this is scary.

lemme see if I got this straight, KarateKid.­..

Because Kissinger was working to stop the expansionist aims and slaugh-ter of millions by the communists­...

it was ok for Bill Ayers to bom-b federal buildings & judge's homes because he 'cared' so much... because he just wanted to stop the madness...­?

did i get that correct?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:13 AM on 12/11/2008
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Marxy, the US was full of morally blind idiots back in the '60s. The war was going along its merry way w/o a scintilla of progress towards peace, despite college teachins and marches. What next, dear chap?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:08 AM on 12/11/2008

WELL SAID, KarateKid!

What OUR country did in Vietnam was MADNESS & MURDER on a MASSIVE scale. Sad that OUR country hadn't learned from OUR mistakes. And sad that OUR President & his partners in CRIME won't be doing TIME for their roles in repeating OUR country's HISTORY!!!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:15 AM on 12/11/2008
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It's understandable to become enraged when our government adopts a policy of murdering innocent foreign people in unnecessary wars, whose sole purpose is to line the pockets of some fat cat War Profiteers. Vietnam was unnecessary and so was Iraq. Honestly, how many Americans think about the Vietnamese and Iraqis, men, women, seniors, children, pregnant woman, who were killed or maimed simply because they were in the wrong place at the wrong time when the bomb dropped or the bullet flew? As Americans we generally focus on the impact on our soldiers or our children that could be forced to become soldiers, but what about the people in these countries ... and that is most people ... that don't have any political alignment at all and only want to be left alone to live their lives? What if our lives were turned upside down? Our homes destroyed or ransacked by foreign soldiers? Our families split apart? Unable to find food or medicine or a safe place to lay down your head? We have inflicted this on people. When you think of the people who have been killed in our name for nothing in Vietnam and Iraq it is really sad.

What Ayers did in the 60's was wrong ... but he was right about one thing. When we were bombing Vietnam or Iraq, we may have killed a few terrorists, soldiers and insurgents, but the vast majority of people killed were apolitical civilians who simply had no where to go.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:39 AM on 12/11/2008
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In Laos, they are still finding unexploded munitions, mainly bombs, and people are still being killed or maimed. This was 40 years ago. Then we wonder why people hate us.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:44 AM on 12/11/2008

KarateKid.­.. if they knew the whole story, they would hate the Soviets, not the US.

Why do you think the Vietnamese in this country are anti-communist and love america?

KarateKid, it's probably best that you not immerse yourself in too much left-wing propaganda. You're missing some huuuuge points.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:03 AM on 12/11/2008
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amen, Karate Kid.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:16 AM on 12/11/2008
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Ayers is a TRUE patriot.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:33 AM on 12/11/2008
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No, a true IDIOT . It's good to know that Ayers a changed his ways over

the years, with a little help from the Federal Justice system.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:50 AM on 12/11/2008
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It's good to know you can use your mama's computer, even though you have no life.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:59 AM on 12/11/2008
- KarateKid I'm a Fan of KarateKid 319 fans permalink
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You think war is like some John Wayne movie, why don't you volunteer and go to war and see what it is really like? You won't be so flippant afterward.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:11 AM on 12/11/2008

Thank You

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:54 AM on 12/11/2008
- SF13 I'm a Fan of SF13 11 fans permalink

Not much since in fact he was never prosecuted. Got that ? HE IS LEGALLY CONSIDERED INNOCENT BECAUSE the prosecution messed up

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:22 AM on 12/11/2008

Bill Ayers is an interesting chap...

He exploded bo-mbs at the Pentagon and at some judge's house (who was presiding over a Black Panther's case) among other locales... people died as a result of his action.

What makes Bill Ayers different from OJ Simson?

Perhaps because his 'intentions' were pure ??? Is that how he escaped a prison term ??

so.... what do you think?

It's ok to bo-mb if your bo-mbing is for some noble goal?

Uncanny parallels to Albert Qaida

(O___o)

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:29 AM on 12/11/2008
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What makes you different from the Fox News sc_um? Nothing really. You're all living in denial.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:33 AM on 12/11/2008
- SF13 I'm a Fan of SF13 11 fans permalink

the prosecution messed up his case and THAT is why he was set free..

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:21 AM on 12/11/2008
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it is ok to bomb if for some noble cause---- sounds like the justification used for Vietnam and Iraq. So your point is.......? Uncanny parallels to Nixon, Bush Cheney and.. You.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:47 AM on 12/11/2008
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Reading over some of these posts, several people have expressed outrage that although Ayers seemed “apologetic,” he didn’t actually apologize. I’m curious as to what’s behind this demand for public repentance, and why so many would prefer an apology over an honest examination of the circumstances.

Ayers is clearly is a deep, introspective thinker who doesn't subscribe to ideas of absolute right and wrong, and in all honesty, how can we expect anyone who was a product of Vietnam to experience the world that way.

Is it possible to look at the face of the young girl in Nick Ut's photograph "Vietnam Napalm,"-- fleeing her burning village, naked and screaming in terror and pain as jellied gasoline scorches her flesh -- is it possible to look at that image and not question the absolute "rightness" of our cause?

And when the death total is tallied every night on the evening news like scores from a basketball game while your peers return in pine boxes or with missing limbs and unspeakable memories trapped in shattered minds -- what do you do when your peaceful protests fall on the deaf ears of politicians who have offered only broken promises as the daily destruction of human life continues with no foreseeable end in sight?

I do not agree with the violent tactics of the Weather Underground, but without honestly exploring the circumstances and environment that led to that point, I have no desire or use for an apology.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:23 AM on 12/11/2008
- kwalla101 I'm a Fan of kwalla101 3 fans permalink

Well said!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:32 AM on 12/11/2008
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I concur with kwalla. Very well said.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:37 AM on 12/11/2008

Excellent.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:58 AM on 12/11/2008

MDHutchins­on...

You seem to be on a slippery slope, soaked in KY.

Before rationalizing the actions of Bill Ayers... let's go back to the time before the Vietnam war...

Who started the war? The north? The south? The US? The Soviets?

Perhaps it's worth a wikipedia gander to see who were the instigators of aggression in that region.

Correct me if I'm wrong... but wasn't it the ideological 'kindred spirits' of Bill Ayers?... our friends, the Soviets?

Is there doubt as to why BA would oppose our response to the SU? It's framed in the MSM in the context of 'anti-war'­... as if he didn't want to see any more blood-shed. hrmm..

I'm sorry, but this guy really should be in a small concrete cell, reminiscing the good ol' days.

where is justice... even social justice?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:42 AM on 12/11/2008
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Who started the war in Vietnam? The French. We continued it. Protecting imperial interest under the guise of 'halting the spread of communism'

"What difference does it make to the dead, the orphans and the homeless, whether the mad destruction is wrought under the name of totalitarianism or the holy name of liberty or democracy?"

-Mahatma Gandhi

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:46 AM on 12/11/2008

Great post.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:48 AM on 12/11/2008

Just because we voted for Obama doesn't mean we are going to believe your American Terrorist Lies.

Please go away and hind under some rock.

The sooner the better!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:21 AM on 12/11/2008
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Wake up, Universala. Listen to what Ayers said. Explain the lies.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:37 AM on 12/11/2008
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I am going to assume you were not alive in the Us during Viet Nam. I am further going to give you the benefit of the doubt that people have the right to demonstrate against their government when they beleive they are doing wrong.

WE did a lot fo wrong during the 1960's we killed innocent kids in Ohio at Kent State, WE bombed Villages in VietNam that had young children in it.

Do we as a counttry appologize to all that we harmed? I am sorry I am not a terrorist, I threw no bombs, I attacked no one but I do have respect for the people who demonstrated and acted to end the nonesense of the war in vietnam and the war at home.....

There would be no Barack Obama as president if there had not been the actions of the Civil rights movement and the demonstrations of the anti war people. The weathermen went too far too violent...­but so did our government.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:45 AM on 12/11/2008
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John McCain inflicted infinitely more terror from his napalm bomb-dropping planes than Bill Ayers ever did or could have. And how can you even compare targeting a material symbol of abuse of power and targeting defenseless children, women and men in their own country.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:53 AM on 12/11/2008
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McCain was following orders then. But one has to assume that now that he is no longer part of the military establishment, he would at the very least admit some mistakes were made in Vietnam.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:44 AM on 12/11/2008

wonder6789­...

the north invaded the south

the north was backed by the soviets

we backed the south.

so you're saying that our actions were immoral? when the west was trying to respond to aggression?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:17 AM on 12/11/2008

Thank You

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:56 AM on 12/11/2008

I assume these guys are trolls, but it's interesting to see the intelligent and thought out responses to they get. f this was the Yahoo Finance boards, I wouldn't bother with these 14 year old doofuses.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:00 AM on 12/11/2008

I do not know if this link will show the picture:
http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=688640046&ref=mf#/photo.php?pid=113707&id=1385178067

But...it is that image of the young girl, naked, running down the street, burning with American Napalm in Vietnam.

That image is what turned the tide.ahat picturte emerged.

The Weathermen made it very hard for non-violent protesters to do any good.

Thank the cosmos that picture emerged, because the violent protestors squished all the power of us non-violent ones.

That said, I would be more than delighted to have a latte or a wonderful Spanish Tampranillo with Ayers and Dohrn. Arugula with shaved Asiago and just a light coating of 12 year balsamic and Tuscan EVO. Yummy.

They did me no favors then, but I do like it that they still exist, and the smearing of Obama using them is outrageous.

Dang, dense layers are hard to live with, but therein lies ultimate goodness in my view.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:18 AM on 12/11/2008

Typos from pondering and cutting and pasting in the little text box. Sorry.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:24 AM on 12/11/2008

This link has the Wikipedia entry on that pic:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Huynh_Cong_Ut

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:39 AM on 12/11/2008

" it made it hard for non-violent protesters to..." I'm not defending what Ayers did but look what happen to Jane Fonda, a non- violent protester, when she went to North Vietnam to protest the bombing of them after the Tonkin Bay incident..

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:06 AM on 12/11/2008
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how anyone would defend a TERRORI$T is beyond me. i thought you liberals would at least defend your country against a man like this. and chris matthews. to allow that piece of $hit to spew his crap out of his mouth is revolting. i wonder if chris got another tingle up his leg during the interview

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:13 AM on 12/11/2008
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When you say the big T word, you might want to watch the news and see what happens to your B U S H.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:16 AM on 12/11/2008
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i dont have a bush. sorry im male

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:17 AM on 12/11/2008
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Since he wasn't convicted of terrorism, how do you know he's a terrorist?

Around the world, people believe W is a war criminal. Got a problem with that?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:20 AM on 12/11/2008
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i have a problem with someone who does not think william ayers is a terrorist.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:27 AM on 12/11/2008
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He wasn't convicted on the merits of a technicality--chain of evidence by the FBI was botched.

OJ Simpson wasn't convicted, but you'd be hard pressed to find a person who feels he was innocent.

Also: The dead people who were collateral damage would love to be alive to defend a guy falsely accused, but alas they died by Ayers group(s) modus operandi.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:01 AM on 12/11/2008

Because he has admitted to terrorist acts

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Part two:
Public education came into being not as some altruistic recognition that a good education was a way of creating a better world, it came about because the owner class in this country recognized that if done properly you could create a working class that would be loyal to the company, not strike, would see unions and socialism as the enemy of the working class and they could be persuaded to fight and die in Wars to open markets for American goods. When activists suggested that if the owner class paid workers more money that that would create a market for their goods in this country they were appalled because that would have cut their profit. And one hundred and fifty years later they have achieved their goal. America's past is full of Ayers who were willing to use violence against those that used violence on them to maintain their servitude. So now the People loose more and more civic freedoms every day but as long as their personal freedom to fish, hunt, work where they want remain untouched they don't care. Soon they will find that even those have been taken away on some pretext and they will become serfs again!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:51 AM on 12/11/2008
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Amazing intellect. But I have to ask...what skill do you have to barter with when we all lose our freedom?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:15 AM on 12/11/2008

I want to see the Hannity vs Ayers interview but I don't think Hannity has the nuts. Or the intellect .

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:51 AM on 12/11/2008
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Hannity would just talk over him, and whenever Ayers would make a statement to expose Sean's lies, Sean would either cut him off, change the subject or go to a commercial. And in the end, Sean would twist everything Ayers said. It would be no different than Sean's interview with Chopra. Sean Hannity is repelled by intellect.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:57 AM on 12/11/2008
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do you actually listen to sean or all these thoughts you post. just concluded from liberal sites like this one?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:19 AM on 12/11/2008
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Hannity just screams when he disagrees with people. He has a conversation with himself then declares himself the "winner of the debate"

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:26 AM on 12/11/2008
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It would be a waste of time and intellect on the part of Ayers.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:14 AM on 12/11/2008
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Ayers would shut Hannity down. With reason and logic.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:21 AM on 12/11/2008
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Americans have become complacent to the tyranny of their own government that they are willing to let their lying President send their children off to war and die for the sake of the Corporations who have not only gotten filthy richer off of their tax dollars but who then turn around and ask to be bailed out because they gave their CEO's and managers large bonus's.

One of the major reasons that this war has dragged on so long is that this generation has had their education dummied down to the point that they are too complacent and compliant to do what Ayers and the others like him had the audacity to do. People remember the SDS but they don't remember Kent State!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:51 AM on 12/11/2008

I'm not sure if the following meshes with your points, but added to what you've said is the possibility that higher education (colleges and universities) may be another part of the corporate apparatus, and a hoax. How many millions of Americans are now pulled into 4-8 years of expensive tuition -- a back-breaking forfeiture for many working families, really -- for what?

I am of the same generation as Ayers -- the first generation that fully went to college, who unquestioningly believed there would be a payoff there. How many college-educated people do we all know that work in fields unrelated to their courses of study?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:10 AM on 12/11/2008
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Good night folks.

Even though I got my usual share of personal insults, it was a good discussion.

EarthToZoey : Thank you for your thoughts. We have a slight difference of opinion. I hope there are no hard feelings.

The whole point of a discussion is to learn from each other.
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    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:50 AM on 12/11/2008
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None at all, Hume! It's hard to convey through text, but I very rarely get upset during debate even if it gets "lively". As long as people aren't tossing about ad hominem, I'm cool as a cucumber. I always value your sharp intellect and am privileged to debate you.

I did learn a lot tonight. I came into this feeling somewhat sure, but (honestly) I'm much less sure of what I thought than before. I feel resolved in my opinion of Ayers (misguided, made mistakes, but a good person) but I'm now much less certain of a definition of 'terr.oris­m' and, more importantly, when violence is "justified".

Big questions that deserve much longer contemplation.

Have a good night!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:01 AM on 12/11/2008
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point taken ty

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:28 AM on 12/11/2008
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does the huff post. display all your posts or does it just post the ones it likes. like it does to my posts. just because i am conservative doesnt mean i dont have a right to my opinion. i thought that s what being american is. the freedom of speech even if some or most dont agree with it.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:17 AM on 12/11/2008
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kad: HuffPost is ridiculous with filtering words. So, if you type a word like 'terr0rist' and don't spell it funny or break it apart (like terr.orr.ist') then your post is either deleted or waits for "moderation". It takes awhile to learn which words will trig.ger the filter. Frustrating, I know!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:42 AM on 12/11/2008
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sometimes it is hard to tell what causes your post to be rejected. i dont think it is often the essential idea. sometimes my most left wing posts are the ones that dont make it and my more conservative opinions get through.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:07 AM on 12/11/2008
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