Bill Ayers On Hardball: Calls Accusations "Profoundly Dishonest" (VIDEO)

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"I don't tend to watch television news...I have three grown sons who kind of filter those things and they sent it to me."

That's Bill Ayers, making an appearance this evening on Hardball, with Chris Matthews. Once of the Weather Underground, Ayers was more recently a central figure in the vast booga-foo nightmare that the GOP tried to paralyze the nation with to prevent the election of Barack Obama, because they didn't have any ideas or policies they wanted to talk about instead. I guess. I mean, such things could have been useful to a presidential campaign or something! Anyway, instead, we had loud braying about how Obama and Ayers might have met at some point, and Obama's failure to strike Ayers down in cold blood for his crimes was proof that they were in cahoots with one another. Or, in the parlance of Alaska Secessionists, "pallin' around."

Asked about his reaction to Palin's "palling around with terrorists remark, Ayers said: "I thought it was outrageous and profoundly dishonest, and I chose not to react to it at the time."

Ayers added, "I was on a board with President-Elect Obama, we did live in the same neighborhood, but the dishonesty of the narrative is that if you can place two people in the same room or prove that they took a bus downtown together, that they're somehow responsible for one anothers politics, policies, outlook, and behavior, and that seems to me to be patently absurd."

Matthews, along the way, talks about supposed Weather Underground targets like the Pentagon and the Capitol building having special "resonance" because they were hit on 9/11. I know, I know...unlike the Weather Underground, al Qaeda did not furnish evacuation warnings in advance of their attacks. Also, despite what Chris Matthews thinks, the Capitol Building was actually NOT ATTACKED ON 9/11.

Of those bombings, Ayers says, "I don't defend those actions...what I try to do in Fugitive Days is try to understand how this young man...in that context could find himself in these extreme positions." Lots of passive voice in the description, huh? "I think we made enormous mistakes," Ayers says, adding, "I think there were terrible things done." Ayers goes on to say he favors a sort of "truth and reconciliation" moment where everyone comes clean about what they did during the Vietnam War. Somehow I think Robert McNamara isn't going to see eye to eye with this concept.

"I don't want to defend what we did, nor do I think it was completely insane," Ayers says. Matthews remembers some demonstrations and some activism from the period, that he felt was more effective than bombing. What is it that distinguishes a protesting assemblage from a cabal of bombers? Desperation borne of solitude, perhaps. I'm tempted to say: the sort of narcissism that inspires a man to make sure the first thing he says to a TV newsman is that he doesn't watch television news.

For what it's worth, Chris Matthews' judgment was that Bill Ayers was a changed man. Make of that what you will.

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"I don't tend to watch television news...I have three grown sons who kind of filter those things and they sent it to me." That's Bill Ayers, making an appearance this evening on Hardball, with Chris ...
"I don't tend to watch television news...I have three grown sons who kind of filter those things and they sent it to me." That's Bill Ayers, making an appearance this evening on Hardball, with Chris ...
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- shockmagog I'm a Fan of shockmagog 137 fans permalink
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Republicans need a constant supply of fuel to keep their feelings of false indignation burning bright in their efforts to thwart the new Democratic agenda.

People such as Ayers and Reverend Wright are just the ticket to fulfill that need.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:49 AM on 12/11/2008
- kad282624 I'm a Fan of kad282624 5 fans permalink

are you serious. that is a bunch of crap please. find something better. then air america talking points. that maddow chick is polluting your mind.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:29 AM on 12/11/2008
- marthlois I'm a Fan of marthlois 27 fans permalink

H E L L O??? Any of you critics out there worried about bills like me? Are you hoping that the government figures out a way to not only help folks going into foreclosure BUT perhaps reduce interest rates for the rest of us?
Do you really have THAT much time on your hands that you can sit and continue to ponder Bill Ayer's tactics, MO, relationship to Obama? If you do, it's because you're probably not feeling the full impact of the economic meltdown yet. But don't fool yourself because you will! I'd suggest you get your minds off Bill Ayers at the very least.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:49 AM on 12/11/2008
- Carolab I'm a Fan of Carolab 356 fans permalink
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I'm with you. It's appalling to me how easily we are distracted from the real issue: the heist of our country's future by the banks.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:56 AM on 12/11/2008
- EarthToZoey I'm a Fan of EarthToZoey 226 fans permalink
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With all due respect, most of us can chew gum and walk at the same time.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:02 AM on 12/11/2008
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While I do agree with you, a little, I don't see how some people who post on here seem to think that since the economy is bad, that is all we should think about. Intelligent people are capable of having opinions and discussions on a wide array of issues.

I worked in the automobile industry, and I lost my job about 10 months ago. But I can't let that completely cloud my brain or I would go crazy.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:07 AM on 12/11/2008
- Newsguy I'm a Fan of Newsguy 7 fans permalink
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ABSOLUTELY! Notice that the billions and billions are going to the Wall Street Guys and the Banks. And it is is mystery still even to Congress precisely where the $700 billion is being distributed, but it sure ain't going to us homeowners who need relief.

Congress needs to rein in the credit card companies with their loan shark interest rates and outrageous late fees for being even two minutes late on payment. No exaggeration. But is Congress talking about any of this? No, Bill Ayers gets a ton of media attention on his life forty years ago. Irrelevant. Irrelevant.

Where is Obama in all this?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:14 AM on 12/11/2008

I agree with you on the credit cards , they should all be jailed for loan sharking...

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:13 AM on 12/11/2008

"Where is Obama in all this?"

He's out pallin around with terrorists, don't ya know...

I gotta tell ya... reading the comments from the BUSH/MCCAIN/PALIN supporters TURNS MY STOMACH!!! How can those Fox News fans be so MISGUIDED?!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:12 AM on 12/11/2008
- Carolab I'm a Fan of Carolab 356 fans permalink
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I am very worried. I don't understand why the bailouts aren't the number one discussion every day and why we aren't protesting.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:15 AM on 12/11/2008

I wonder who has done more damage to this country? Ayers, or a torturer in Guantanamo? I'm going to guess the latter.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:41 AM on 12/11/2008
- StillIRise I'm a Fan of StillIRise 563 fans permalink
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I would include Sean Hannity to your list as well.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:47 AM on 12/11/2008
- Right-turn I'm a Fan of Right-turn 21 fans permalink
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Ayers is pond scum. If you had to be a prisoner of war, would you rather be held by th U.S. in Gitmo, or by Al-Qaeda? I am sure Nick Berg would have rather been at Gitmo..........

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:55 AM on 12/11/2008
- EarthToZoey I'm a Fan of EarthToZoey 226 fans permalink
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Gee, I guess it depends on if you have white skin or brown skin, "christian" or "m'uslim" names, doesn't it?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:04 AM on 12/11/2008
- Bettysdad I'm a Fan of Bettysdad 55 fans permalink
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Explain how Ayers is connected to Al-Queda.

This should be funny.

Or really pathetic.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:21 AM on 12/11/2008
- Beowoof I'm a Fan of Beowoof 10 fans permalink

The Vietnam war was so unsettling in so many ways that many don't seem to understand its effect on this country at that time. Many don't even realise that some of the most hardcore left, started on the hardcore right. Yea, that's right! Some of you today, who just can't fathom the point of view of the left became the ultra-left back in the 60s and 70swhen they felt that this country had betrayed them thanks to that war.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:33 AM on 12/11/2008
- Right-turn I'm a Fan of Right-turn 21 fans permalink
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The country didn't betray them, LBJ and Nixon did.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:08 AM on 12/11/2008
- apoyo I'm a Fan of apoyo 40 fans permalink

The 60's are still sharp and can cut to the quick.

Thank God we will now have a president who had nothing to do with that era and we can relegate it to the history books.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:29 AM on 12/11/2008

True.

Though we do have a more insidious era to contend with.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:42 AM on 12/11/2008
- makrom I'm a Fan of makrom 3 fans permalink
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All of this teaches me absolutely nothing about why Hannity & Limbaugh thought that Obama knowing this guy was such a horrifying that would have meant McCain would have won had this story been hammered even more by the MSM. They are delusional about the impact of this relationship. The country essentially said, "SO WHAT"

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:21 AM on 12/11/2008
- MizLiz I'm a Fan of MizLiz 59 fans permalink
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Nobody seemed to care about McCain palling around with G. Gordon Liddy, a convicted felon. I guess he was sailing by on the P.O.W. pass.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:37 AM on 12/11/2008
- jillsond I'm a Fan of jillsond 154 fans permalink
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Nice post.

Was Ayers acting against his country? Hmmm. NO. Protesting an unwarranted war does not make you unpatriotic.

Discuss.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:48 AM on 12/11/2008
- researcher I'm a Fan of researcher 105 fans permalink

i was a vietnam protester and proud of it.

it was peaceful protests to show our outrage for what we were doing to the vietnamese in the name of freedom much like the iraq war.

we are an imperialist country and few americans understand that about themselves.

even this comment may not make it through the moderators.

sad time in america.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:19 AM on 12/11/2008
- MizLiz I'm a Fan of MizLiz 59 fans permalink
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Amen, researcher. I led a very conventional life, but I cheered on the Weathermen­....anyone could understand their rage and frustration...so many Americans died...and for what? Bigger and better body counts?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:38 AM on 12/11/2008
- jillsond I'm a Fan of jillsond 154 fans permalink
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Love me some MizLiz. Diffuse the nonsense, speak the truth. I like you!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:10 AM on 12/11/2008
- HumeSkeptic I'm a Fan of HumeSkeptic 1564 fans permalink
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V!etn@m is a bad word on HP word filter.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:40 AM on 12/11/2008
- ErikW65 I'm a Fan of ErikW65 11 fans permalink

The McCain/Palin Campaign attempted to smear Obama by equating Ayers and Osama bin Laden using the connection that they both bombed government property. That is what both Ayers and I agree is "profoundly dishonest."

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:59 AM on 12/11/2008

It is all much ado about nothing (I am not referring to the violent acts themselves). It is obvious the man is mature, thoughtful, and has mellowed. Some will not be satisfied unless he grovels. I am from his generation and I remember the period well. Idealism was something that was precious to many of us....not the endless self-gratification among youth you see today (talk about "narcissism"--what a projection). What I find admirable is that he has stuck to his convictions about what the US should be--a nation among nations, which I agree with: NOT an arrogant superpower.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:56 AM on 12/11/2008
- Tyrione I'm a Fan of Tyrione 36 fans permalink
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Given enough time, most terrorists will mature, become thoughtful and mellow with age. It all varies with how close or far away from the front lines of direct violence they stand.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:44 AM on 12/11/2008

I also knew many young left-leaning, anti-war protesters who turned around and became greedy, blood-sucking capitalists that are now hard-line GOPers - I have never figured that out to this day. Ayers was idealistic, a patriot, and caught up in the passion of the times. Do I think he meant for anyone to get hurt by the vandalism - absolutely not. People in the US are so naive about dissent. In Europe, this sort of thing goes on all the time and Ayers wouldn't even be news. I particularly think Matthews' wrap-up at the end was stupid as it was merely self-serving. I guess you could say that Ayers walked the walk whereas a lot of others demonstrated with talking the talk only.

Isn't everyone sick of these talk show hosts pretending they are so holy-art-thou and above reproach?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:11 AM on 12/11/2008

I absolutely think he is a fine fellow now. Back in the day, though, the Weather Underground did lethal damage to the NON-violent protesters.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:48 AM on 12/11/2008

I don't care what Ayers looks like, dresses like, or how erudite he sounds. I care about this: he and his ilk bombed public buildings and he dismisses it by saying, "We called in to warn people."

I am a public schoolteacher. In my three decades of it we had numerous bombs threats. None were real, just threats. But they caused fear, disruption, and chaos. Now imagine if a couple had actually gone off.

Until I hear from Ayers and his fellow terrorists an expression of remorse and an apology instead of narcisstic, nuanced, "We made mistakes, we didn't give ourselves enough to the cause" excuses, I will feel nothing but contempt for him and his arrogant partner in crime.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:46 AM on 12/11/2008
- EarthToZoey I'm a Fan of EarthToZoey 226 fans permalink
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Fear, disruption, and chaos --- the essence of terror.ism.

Good post. You expressed the basic idea of what is in my mind and that I'm having a hard time articulating.

There are more ethical ways to go about making one's voice heard than using fear tactics.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:59 AM on 12/11/2008
- nobozos I'm a Fan of nobozos 13 fans permalink

Get off your high horse and tell me....does your righteous contempt extend to the lying politicians that killed thousands and thousands and thousands of REAL people?
Ayers killed no one.
The war dead were on the nightly news at all my family dinners throughout high school and into my college years. Every night, live and in color, carnage --- year after year.
All my male childhood friends forced into a lottery for their very lives at age 18. Mothers in my Idaho neighborhood desperate for the hope of Canada when their precious son drew a low number. Sharing university library tables with vets missing arms and legs - and for WHAT?

You irritate me. America irritates me that we have lost our collective memory of how bad those times were. The "terrorists" were in Washington, you fool.

p.s. my mother was a school teacher too. But she marched against war.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:12 AM on 12/11/2008
- Carolab I'm a Fan of Carolab 356 fans permalink
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There is no draft, and that leads to a certain "convenience" among many in overlooking what's going on.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:55 AM on 12/11/2008

WELL SAID, nobozos!!!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:31 AM on 12/11/2008
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And as someone who is responsible for sharpening the skills of young peoples minds, do you teach them how to think or what to think? If you are the latter, then you are one of those responsible for creating the present mess and the world which Ayers found in need of changing. If you were erudite you would know and understand the violence that sometimes has to take place before those in power understand that there are limits.

If you are one of those teachers that teach how to think then you of all people should understand that as we age we become wiser in or ways. But since you don't I can only say, pity the poor students who had you as a mentor.!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:15 AM on 12/11/2008
- EarthToZoey I'm a Fan of EarthToZoey 226 fans permalink
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Boy, that was one long-winded insult.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:27 AM on 12/11/2008

"If you were erudite you would know and understand the violence that sometimes has to take place"

GWB? Is that you.........again? I thought (and hoped) you had fallen off flat planet earth. If not GWB, how on earth can you explain your comments away.

brrrrrr, it's suddenly very cold in common sense world. VERY cold.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:33 AM on 12/11/2008
- nobozos I'm a Fan of nobozos 13 fans permalink

And please quit using the word 'ilk'. It doesn't make you sound more intelligent and it's overused by those trying to appear so.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:16 AM on 12/11/2008
- EarthToZoey I'm a Fan of EarthToZoey 226 fans permalink
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Well, aren't you the voice of the 'elitism' that the right-wing loves to accuse us of! How about addressing the substance of the message?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:29 AM on 12/11/2008
- HumeSkeptic I'm a Fan of HumeSkeptic 1564 fans permalink
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They never threatened a school. They put b0mbs, symbolic, not to k!ll, in places that symbolized oppression and war.

You feel contempt, and I am grateful to him for setting an example that I wish my children will follow : always side with the oppressed, not the oppressor, always fight for peace, and oppose unjust war - by whatever means necessary, short of k!lling or injuring innocent people.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:17 AM on 12/11/2008
- Geranium I'm a Fan of Geranium 14 fans permalink

I feel so sorry for your kids if Ayers is someone you hold up as an example for them.

And what is "symbolic" about REAL nail bombs that he and his "comrades" set off in the Pentagon, the Capital, and Police Stations? No sane, rational person "places" a bomb in a public place, no matter what time of day, with 100% certainty that no one will be killed or maimed.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:27 AM on 12/11/2008

What about a just war? What about when the oppressor is the good guy?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:39 AM on 12/11/2008

You can keep on trying, Hume, but you will never get some people to understand the times that created these responses. I agree with you that to many people of courage, Ayers was a symbol himself of one who was willing to buck a warmongering system that was outrageous.

Right now you see every kind of scandal rocking legions of legislators and the Bushhh administration in our country - from local, state, and national - both parties. Add to that, the Iraq war and the horrors of the torture we have engaged in there. If this were the 60s, there would be blood.....­.demonstra­tions in the streets, sit-ins, etc. - but this is the watered-down version of a dynamic society who believed in freedom; we are but a mere shadow of our former selves.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:19 AM on 12/11/2008
- roch20 I'm a Fan of roch20 26 fans permalink
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This is exactly why i couldn't care less about all of the crap that came out of FOX News, the McCain Campaign ( Sarah Palin aka "Wilma Flintstone"), Sean Hannity, Limbaugh, O'Reilly etc..., i couldn't care less about what they've said about Prof. Ayers, because it's so easy to just take any smear and roll with it, that's if you aren't informed, but not me, because from the moment Hillary Clinton brought the story and into the debates, i was man enough to be as open minded to get on the internet and do some RESEARCH, (rather than just listen to Hillary or Palin), and got informed... My respect to William Ayers, for having such patient, and for sticking to the truth..!!!!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:45 AM on 12/11/2008
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Ayers added, "I was on a board with President-Elect Obama, we did live in the same neighborhood, but the dishonesty of the narrative is that if you can place two people in the same room or prove that they took a bus downtown together, that they're somehow responsible for one anothers politics, policies, outlook, and behavior, and that seems to me to be patently absurd."

That's the GOP for ya.

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    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:38 AM on 12/11/2008
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Here's the man who respectfully kept his opinions to himself while Obama campaigned.

Yep. He did despicable acts by today's standards, but during the Vietnam war, people actually got outside and protested, and some were moved to make a stronger statement.

Compare Ayers to OJ. Any thinking person knows that a criminal like OJ would commit a heinous crime again. Criminals keep on acting out their criminal intent. Criminals rarely wait 40 plus years to act out again.

Ayers is an educator, a peaceable man, articulate and brave. Too bad his virtues are so intimidating to some.

We're all comfortable doing our arm-chair protesting. I'm guilty. But Ayers is still walking the walk and talking the talk.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:38 AM on 12/11/2008
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I am always amused by those people who can remember all thos despicable acts by the so called terrorists groups but can't seem to get as upset over the killing of unarmed peacefully protesting students at Kent State. None of those people are ever now mentioned or questioned about those acts. Nor do people get upset about the police brutality used on peaceful anti-war protestors then or now. Americans are so complacent in what their elected leaders do to them that they can't even get riled when FBI and Police thugs raid houses, wave automatic guns in people faces, and arrest them for merely organizing a protest like what happened during the Conventions this year. Americans have the government they deserve. People in other countrys fight and die for the rights that Americans give away each year! Shame on them!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:23 AM on 12/11/2008
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That's the failing of the US Media who would prefer to push that massacre under the rug. They all should be recalled to remind us not to repeat them.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:46 AM on 12/11/2008
- StillIRise I'm a Fan of StillIRise 563 fans permalink
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Thank you for a great post.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:52 AM on 12/11/2008

While I believe that Ayers acts as a young man were foolish and extreme, I do understand why they occurred. And for those who wish to declaim them as terrorist acts because they "potentially" could have harmed people...that they define a violent act that is intended to create political change. I ask...

Are you for ANY WAR? Even one of self-defen­se...since this does involve violence in an effort to stop a political act. And without violence or the threat thereof the invading or entering group would not require violence to take over. But certainly wars of "justice" or "retribution" (e.g. against the Nazis) are fully intended to produce political change. And one cannot deny that they involve potential and real casualties upon civilians and non-combatants.

Ghandi realized that the bulk of populations were not mature enough, and many would likely never be, for satyagraha. Yet he opposed the Rowlatt Acts that were used to pre-emptively stifle all protests since they "could" produce violence. And amazingly, he didn't abandon those that rioted in response to the British violent responses. He realized that satyagraha was something quite extraordinary. In fact, he honored the young men as "noble warriors" who tried to fight with the British but were slain.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:36 AM on 12/11/2008
- EarthToZoey I'm a Fan of EarthToZoey 226 fans permalink
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Good points. Good post. Well said. You deserve a response in kind, but my mind is shutting down for sleep. But I'll try...

I'm anti-war, not a pacifist. With that distinction, I *do* think some wars are justified -- with the caveat that all attempts for peaceful reconciliation are fully exhausted. Since a large amount of violent action seems to arise from the State, it seems logical that change can best be affected from within the "machine" of government and not from individual or small group acts of violence or intimidation. The size of the government or faction that you're going up against is also important to determine the methods one employs. A large government, such as the U.S., wouldn't seem to respond to an action on the scale of Ayers'.... not that I am implying that he should have done something "bigger". I just think what he is doing now -- being in academia, working to shape education, and involving himself peacefully in government -- would have a more long-lasting, big-picture impact.

Having said that, I'm not certain of any of this (or anything, really). I have an opinion, but none of this is a hardened because of many variables (determinism vs free-will, evolutionary psychology, the malleable nature of ethics..). I'm just seeking truth and attempting to be as humanitarian as possible.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:54 AM on 12/11/2008
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Ayers' acts were not foolish and extreme during the time he acted.

Why is this so difficult to understand?

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