Bill Ayers On Hardball: Calls Accusations "Profoundly Dishonest" (VIDEO)

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"I don't tend to watch television news...I have three grown sons who kind of filter those things and they sent it to me."

That's Bill Ayers, making an appearance this evening on Hardball, with Chris Matthews. Once of the Weather Underground, Ayers was more recently a central figure in the vast booga-foo nightmare that the GOP tried to paralyze the nation with to prevent the election of Barack Obama, because they didn't have any ideas or policies they wanted to talk about instead. I guess. I mean, such things could have been useful to a presidential campaign or something! Anyway, instead, we had loud braying about how Obama and Ayers might have met at some point, and Obama's failure to strike Ayers down in cold blood for his crimes was proof that they were in cahoots with one another. Or, in the parlance of Alaska Secessionists, "pallin' around."

Asked about his reaction to Palin's "palling around with terrorists remark, Ayers said: "I thought it was outrageous and profoundly dishonest, and I chose not to react to it at the time."

Ayers added, "I was on a board with President-Elect Obama, we did live in the same neighborhood, but the dishonesty of the narrative is that if you can place two people in the same room or prove that they took a bus downtown together, that they're somehow responsible for one anothers politics, policies, outlook, and behavior, and that seems to me to be patently absurd."

Matthews, along the way, talks about supposed Weather Underground targets like the Pentagon and the Capitol building having special "resonance" because they were hit on 9/11. I know, I know...unlike the Weather Underground, al Qaeda did not furnish evacuation warnings in advance of their attacks. Also, despite what Chris Matthews thinks, the Capitol Building was actually NOT ATTACKED ON 9/11.

Of those bombings, Ayers says, "I don't defend those actions...what I try to do in Fugitive Days is try to understand how this young man...in that context could find himself in these extreme positions." Lots of passive voice in the description, huh? "I think we made enormous mistakes," Ayers says, adding, "I think there were terrible things done." Ayers goes on to say he favors a sort of "truth and reconciliation" moment where everyone comes clean about what they did during the Vietnam War. Somehow I think Robert McNamara isn't going to see eye to eye with this concept.

"I don't want to defend what we did, nor do I think it was completely insane," Ayers says. Matthews remembers some demonstrations and some activism from the period, that he felt was more effective than bombing. What is it that distinguishes a protesting assemblage from a cabal of bombers? Desperation borne of solitude, perhaps. I'm tempted to say: the sort of narcissism that inspires a man to make sure the first thing he says to a TV newsman is that he doesn't watch television news.

For what it's worth, Chris Matthews' judgment was that Bill Ayers was a changed man. Make of that what you will.

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"I don't tend to watch television news...I have three grown sons who kind of filter those things and they sent it to me." That's Bill Ayers, making an appearance this evening on Hardball, with Chris ...
"I don't tend to watch television news...I have three grown sons who kind of filter those things and they sent it to me." That's Bill Ayers, making an appearance this evening on Hardball, with Chris ...
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- HumeSkeptic I'm a Fan of HumeSkeptic 1657 fans permalink
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William Ayers is Distinguished Professor of Education at the University of Illinois at Chicago. Ayers has written extensively about social justice, democracy and education in Harvard Educational Review, the Journal of Teacher Education, Teachers College Record, Rethinking Schools, the Nation, the New York Times and the Cambridge Journal of Education , etc.

See Ayer’s curriculum vite here: http://cryptome.org/ayers-vita.doc
To know more, vitsit his page here: http://billayers.wordpress.com/2006/04/20/weather-underground-redux/

Ayers’ activism started while a student at the University of Michigan in 1965, when he joined a picket line protesting at a pizzeria for refusing to seat African Americans.

Later, in 1969, he helped found Weather Underground, a group dedicated primarily to fight government brutality against Blacks and other minorities. He participated in b0mbings, none fatal, to protest police brutality and VN war.

Read more at : http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bill_Ayers

I once attended a talk by William Ayers, and was inspired by his passion and his values.

Sure, he made mistakes in his methods when he was in his twenties. But his cause was a just cause, and he remains dedicated to the cause of peace and justice.

Terr0rist?

Quite the contrary. Ayers is a national treasure. I wish there would be more university students following his footsteps now. I gave one of my kids his recent book, “Fugitive Days”, as a birthday gift, with a note saying, “be like him, but skip the b0mbing part”.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:12 PM on 12/10/2008
- judyc I'm a Fan of judyc 125 fans permalink
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Great post!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:13 PM on 12/10/2008
- EarthToZoey I'm a Fan of EarthToZoey 227 fans permalink
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Yes, skip the hypocrisy of committing violent acts to protest violence. It kind of weakens the message.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:17 PM on 12/10/2008
- AtheistUS I'm a Fan of AtheistUS 83 fans permalink
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That were mistakes common at that time. You can't compare 'violence' and 'violence'. Bombing civilians in Vietnam... killing whole villages...

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:29 PM on 12/10/2008
- JulieSA I'm a Fan of JulieSA 165 fans permalink
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Great. The Blagojevcih-Ayers party has control of the the White House and the legislature. Government Chicago-style.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:21 PM on 12/10/2008
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it's all about pizza

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:41 PM on 12/10/2008
- wmholt I'm a Fan of wmholt 31 fans permalink
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You know, the fun thing is that Sean Hannity and Rush Limbaugh now have to say "That Blagojevich-Ayers" party for the next 4 years. It was so easy when it was just Bill Ayers and Reverend Wright. Those words almost roll off the tongue.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:49 PM on 12/10/2008
- ohio4obama I'm a Fan of ohio4obama 16 fans permalink

Sure do!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:55 PM on 12/10/2008
- NC1432 I'm a Fan of NC1432 3 fans permalink

Julie, you forgot Wright and Rezko.........hey this guy stands on our flag.........I suppose that's o.k.........and herb comparing Ayers to McCain takes the cake........

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:20 PM on 12/10/2008
- HumeSkeptic I'm a Fan of HumeSkeptic 1657 fans permalink
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Yup. You better go hide your white bed sheet, your hood and cross-burning gear.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:27 PM on 12/10/2008
- rejoyce5 I'm a Fan of rejoyce5 14 fans permalink

Are you kidding me. He placed bombs!!! He is a US Terrorist up there with McVeigh. He was lucky he didn't kill anyone. Its a disgrace he gets so much airtime. How typical he is a college professor so he can pollute young minds.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:23 PM on 12/10/2008
- ErikW65 I'm a Fan of ErikW65 11 fans permalink

You're right that he's lucky he didn't kill anyone, because he took a chance that he might do so accidentally. But that's a lot different of a case than that of McVeigh, who intended death to innocent people! Your attempt to equate the two puts you in the same class as McCain's failed political advisors, congratulations!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:39 PM on 12/10/2008
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Get your head out of the mud puddle.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:42 PM on 12/10/2008
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Not sure about the airtime... but you can thank Sarah Palin for any airtime he got.

Now if you want to talk terrorisim?....

http://www.talk2action.org/story/2008/9/5/114652/6239

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:50 PM on 12/10/2008
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Ayers' bombs hurt or kill no one--he's a "disgrace".

John McCain's bombs injure and kill dozens, maybe hundreds--he's a "hero"

Gotta love those hypocritical right-wing double standards!!!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:52 PM on 12/10/2008
- ohio4obama I'm a Fan of ohio4obama 16 fans permalink

D@mn those college professors, inspiring research, challenging ideas, creating discussions, asking questions...and polluting young minds. Riiiight.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:54 PM on 12/10/2008
- ReadyNow I'm a Fan of ReadyNow 3 fans permalink

Tim McVeigh

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:23 PM on 12/10/2008
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(the fall guy?)

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:41 PM on 12/10/2008
- HumeSkeptic I'm a Fan of HumeSkeptic 1657 fans permalink
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What? McVeigh k!lled innocent people.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:24 PM on 12/10/2008
- derekc06 I'm a Fan of derekc06 25 fans permalink
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props to Chris Matthews for this interview...

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:10 PM on 12/10/2008
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That was a very good exchange between Mathews and Ayres and I believe educational as well. Mr. Ayres was obviously a conflicted young man at the time of Vietnam when America was at its wits end with another ill-conceived vicious war in our history. I'm not one of these people that think human beings can't change. So I believe what Ayres did as a member of the Weather Underground was destructive and extreme, but I understand how desperate and angry young people were during that time in our history. After all, nearly 60,000 kids from Bill’s generation were sent to their deaths….and for what?

And now 40 years after that sad moment in our history for someone as clueless as Sarah Palin to use Bill Ayres as pawn to malign Barack Obama through a dubious guilt by association ploy is just reprehensible and ridiculous! The woman is an idiot.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:08 PM on 12/10/2008
- EarthToZoey I'm a Fan of EarthToZoey 227 fans permalink
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Good points. And I agree that it is absolutely ridiculous to link Ayers and Obama together as if they share the same radical view of Ayers' past violent deeds.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:26 PM on 12/10/2008
- Clare53 I'm a Fan of Clare53 15 fans permalink

How has Ayres changed?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:52 PM on 12/10/2008
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There goes that Ma'thuse pa'lin' around with terr'ists. Spent over 9 minutes on the same TV screen with him. Yeppers I tell ye... he he *spuht* *spuht* *snort* huh huh huh huh

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:02 PM on 12/10/2008
- JulieSA I'm a Fan of JulieSA 165 fans permalink
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I'm sorry, but what is your point? Your comment makes no sense.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:14 PM on 12/10/2008

I think he was trying to take the tone of an ignorant voter being sold by a campaign commercial and a Fox news segment.... Just think of his comment as uhh art i guess? Leaves a lot to be interpreted. hahah

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:33 PM on 12/10/2008

he's obviously speaking in the parlance of a grizzled eighties prospector.. codsarnit..

(or more accurately i would assume, adopting the speech patterns of a cliched palin supporter)

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:37 PM on 12/10/2008
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I get the point, just not the spuht spuht stuff at the end.
Explanation coming?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:20 PM on 12/10/2008
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Gee, nobody has a sense of humor anymore. I was trying to point out the ludocrisy of the right wing in making the original association between Ayers and Obama. See, anybody can be ignorant and make stupid associations. It's called a parallel. I hope no one thought I was serious. LOL

http://billmel8er.wordpress.com

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:56 AM on 12/11/2008
- karela I'm a Fan of karela 100 fans permalink

Great interview. Ayers had good points. Are we ready to turn from being the big bellied southern sheriff of the world and begin to be one nation among many who works with others to create a better world. The U.S. spends more on weapons and it's military than all the other nations in the world combined. Why? If we were willing to be one among many, we could take much better care of or own people and we could help others. Einstein said, "You can't simultaneously prevent and prepare for war." He also said, "Peace cannot be kept by force. It can only be achieved by understanding."

And here's another thought provoking quote that fits our times: "Make the lie big, keep it simple, keep saying it and eventually they will believe it." Adolf Hitler

"History teaches us that men and nations behave wisely once they have exhausted all other alternatives." Abba Eban

For other thought provoking quotes on this topic:
http://www.antiwar.com/quotes.php

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:01 PM on 12/10/2008
- OhgReaTone I'm a Fan of OhgReaTone 6 fans permalink

Modern American conservatives define themselves by their faith - are there no Ayers of Christian Redemption. ................

http://thefiresidepost.com/2008/10/19/the-ayers-of-christian-redemption/

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:59 PM on 12/10/2008

I think many modern conservatives use their faith to justify their ideology.

It taints the Christian religion and I wish they would stop. I must hear a different message in church on Sunday than they do.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:55 PM on 12/10/2008
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That woman at the beginning of the clip saying mean things about Obama....who is she? I seem to remember seeing her a lot a little while back.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:54 PM on 12/10/2008

Opps i mean South Carolina... i totally killed my comment with this edit

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:38 PM on 12/10/2008
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How come only this comment went through? Embarrasing. I'll assume you're linking SP to Miss Teen South Carolina, and guffaw uproariously, even without the comment. In fact, I'll use my imagination to picture it as being even funnier than in reality, and encourage everyone else to do the same. We gotta to do what we can here with the strange Huffpo moderation "policy"!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:26 PM on 12/10/2008

So Matthews "demonstrated and did all that stuff" while being a Captial Policeman at the same time?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:51 PM on 12/10/2008

Bill Ayers is an intellectual with a good mind and a very honest approach... if you ask me we need more of these types of outspoken people in this pathetically docile corporate culture we now live in.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:43 PM on 12/10/2008
- JulieSA I'm a Fan of JulieSA 165 fans permalink
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So you think firebombing a judge's home because you didn't like his verdict is ok?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:01 PM on 12/10/2008
- ErikW65 I'm a Fan of ErikW65 11 fans permalink

"Firebombing a judge's home"? Ayers never bombed a judge's home.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:20 PM on 12/10/2008
- SeanOcali I'm a Fan of SeanOcali 36 fans permalink
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No but if that judge had previously firebombed 1000 homes, I'd be more angry at him than the guy who firebombed his house. Bill Ayers didn't kill a single person. John McCain... that's another story.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:45 PM on 12/10/2008
- PlanetK27 I'm a Fan of PlanetK27 3 fans permalink
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dplaser,
If you would write more on this subject it could be for sale at Barnes and Noble or at Amazon and with a 10% off discount coupon. Maybe with a link to a website... and some brand merchandising, a book tour, a podcast, .....

Damn, I can't stop this corporate mindset I am hooked into.... help me help me.... ; )

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:13 PM on 12/10/2008
- EarthToZoey I'm a Fan of EarthToZoey 227 fans permalink
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Merchandising. Where the real money is made! I want an Ayers action figure, complete with little firecrackers and mock-ups of government buildings!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:30 PM on 12/10/2008
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Ugh--NO WAY! This man can be a rehabilitated person in his personal life and seek happiness there, but on a national stage, this man's voice should not be respected except to say that BO is not culpable for Ayers previous actions. Beyond that, he deserves NO praise.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:13 PM on 12/10/2008
- EarthToZoey I'm a Fan of EarthToZoey 227 fans permalink
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Agreed. I feel like I'm one of only a handful of progressives that sees Bill Ayers actions as despicable and the fact that he can't wholly apologize for it as a sign that he still feels that what he did was right. Ayers may be highly intelligent and hold some outstanding views in some areas, but I'm not going to gloss over his violent past -- especially since he can't seem to outright denounce it.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:21 PM on 12/10/2008
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Tell it like it is my man!!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:46 PM on 12/10/2008
- Clare53 I'm a Fan of Clare53 15 fans permalink

Yeah, we need more people who honestly think it's okay to bomb buildings to make a point. Shudder.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:56 PM on 12/10/2008

Do try to read or watch the things being talked about. Ayers doesn't think that way any more. People can learn with age (well, some can, anyway). I'm assuming either you didn't or you're still young. I hope the latter, as that just might be rectified.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:57 AM on 12/11/2008

I missed the Vietnam draft by one year. If it weren't for the war protesters, I likely would have been killed in Vietnam along with tens of thousand of other young men, for a mistake.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:39 PM on 12/10/2008
- JulieSA I'm a Fan of JulieSA 165 fans permalink
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The Weathermen were planning to set a shrapnel bomb at an NCO dance at Fort Dix. That's the one that exploded prematurely.

If you had been drafted, you could have been killed by Bill Ayers.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:49 PM on 12/10/2008
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Yaaaawwwwwnnnnnnnn.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:57 PM on 12/10/2008
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That's a very valid point.

I was too young to be drafted... so lucky in that regard. But I do remember the protests and outrage of that time towards an unjust war. I am glad that I did not have to go over there and kill innocent people for any or no reason. I don't feel that violence is the answer... but I don't remember any real answers to that war either... even now.

I also remember civil issues that were causing violence at home. You would think we could start learning from history and our mistakes. When I listened to Ayers' interview.... it sounded like he learned somewhat... that maybe there could have been another way to protest an unjust war. Of course when our leaders deceive us... then all bets are off.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:26 PM on 12/10/2008
- doneflyin I'm a Fan of doneflyin 34 fans permalink

How old are you?
Ayers admits that what he did was wrong headed and if anyone had been killed, it would have been atrocious.

We killed millions of Vietnamese in a country that again, had done nothing to us.We killed and maimed tens of thousands of "drafted" American boys.
The country overwhelming was against the damn war but that was having no impact on the political apparatus. Those were desperate times and there were many who resorted to desperate and extreme measures.
Were some of these actions wrong? Of course.

Over all the bigger crimes were political.
By the way, did you know that "Forest Gump" was actually based on true events?
The army drafted 100,000 young men of below average intelligence, some with IQs in the 60s.
Have you ever seen the pictures of the Vietnamese who are still being born today with birth defects from Agent Orange?

Vietnam was an abomination.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:26 PM on 12/10/2008
- ohio4obama I'm a Fan of ohio4obama 16 fans permalink

Faulty parallelism.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:28 PM on 12/10/2008
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Yawn #2.....

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:32 PM on 12/10/2008
- huffposeur I'm a Fan of huffposeur 23 fans permalink

"If it weren't for the war protesters, I likely would have been killed in Vietnam along with tens of thousand of other young men, for a mistake."

file this under UNINFORMED BLUSTER

do you know how many americans served in vietnam?

do you know how many were killed?

you likely would not only NOT have been killed, you likely would never have seen any action

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:23 PM on 12/10/2008

Do you know the answers?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:59 AM on 12/11/2008
- runnerin1 I'm a Fan of runnerin1 5 fans permalink

Among the things I found interesting in this interview was Chris Matthews commenting he was concerned about an American people who would be so quick to grasp new terms like Weapons of Mass Destruction, and pre-emptive strikes etc. I think he was hopeing the professor would speak on circumstances which could cause the masses to agree to anything their leader is presenting to them. Circumstances like 911.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:37 PM on 12/10/2008
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Great interview! It's nice to hear two people talk intellectually about the Vietnam War protests.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:34 PM on 12/10/2008
- JulieSA I'm a Fan of JulieSA 165 fans permalink
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My husband was a Vietnam protester. He was a not a wealthy violent psychopath like Ayers. Don't soil my husband by putting him the same category as Ayers.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:12 PM on 12/10/2008
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Shouldn't you be watching the soap opera's?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:34 PM on 12/10/2008
- tierone I'm a Fan of tierone 58 fans permalink
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What were you? Wheat toast?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:50 PM on 12/10/2008

Ayers was a wealthy violent psychopath? He made sure no one would be hurt by the bombs - doesn't sound psychopathic to me.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:01 AM on 12/11/2008
- bluekatz I'm a Fan of bluekatz 13 fans permalink

Why is this news again? Why isn't Matthews talking to GWB? More relevant and evidence to convict.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:24 PM on 12/10/2008
- Gunga-Din I'm a Fan of Gunga-Din 7 fans permalink
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Boring

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:24 PM on 12/10/2008
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Truth

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:56 PM on 12/10/2008
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Hey, Gunga - I think I hear someone calling for water!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:03 PM on 12/10/2008

Bill Ayers is an American hero and anybody and only people who do not understand what was happening during the Viet Nam war, or worse supported would condemn him.

As citizens today, we are so afraid and gullible we have let GB invade Iraq and kill - well, we really don't know how many. Maybe a few more like Mr. Ayers around today could have prevented some of this horror.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:24 PM on 12/10/2008
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"we have let GB invade Iraq and kill - well, we really don't know how many."

I always thought that was one of the more hideous aspects of our conduct in the Iraq war--not counting casualties, by design, so they could keep the extent of it hidden.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:01 PM on 12/10/2008
- EarthToZoey I'm a Fan of EarthToZoey 227 fans permalink
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Oh, did Bill Ayers end or change the course of the Vietnam war? I missed that bit of news.

Call me old fashioned, but I prefer smart, nonviolent protest to destructive acts.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:02 PM on 12/10/2008
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That's not all you missed, apparently.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:39 PM on 12/10/2008
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Nonsense. You could claim the same thing about ANY terrorist. Most have valid points that they are trying to bring attention to through their terrorist acts. They are NOT heros.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:16 PM on 12/10/2008
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Terrorist you say? Whoa, do you EVER have a shallow mind.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:37 PM on 12/10/2008
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T.e.r.r.o.r.i.s.t. you say? Whoa, do you EVER have a shallow mind.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:37 PM on 12/10/2008
- AtheistUS I'm a Fan of AtheistUS 83 fans permalink
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We know that several hundred thousands civilians are killed in Iraq. Economic death toll is more terrible. But this is not first time. We helped to established cruel dictatorships in Latin America many times in 70s, to have our profits. Then pushed many other countries across the globe to economic hardship (which means again, for many poor, simply death).
So, it is ridiculous, when Bush/Cheney/Rumsfeld are not in prison, all this discussions about Ayers...

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:41 PM on 12/10/2008
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