More Minnesota Absentee Ballots Found; Franken Makes Major Push

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First Posted: 12-11-08 01:23 PM   |   Updated: 01-11-09 05:12 AM

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The Minnesota Senate recount campaign has firmly entered its legal stages, with Al Franken's chief counsel sending a lengthy and sharply argued memorandum to the Secretary of State's office on Thursday making the case for counting a group of contested absentee ballots.

The newsworthy thrust of David Lillehaug's 39-page brief for Secretary of State Mark Ritchie was the direct highlighting of 62 individual cases where voters were either "erroneously rejected by election officials for not being registered," or their absentee ballots were wrongfully rejected.

Around the same time that this memo was made public, local reports emerged that put the number of potentially wrongfully rejected absentee ballots at approximately 2,000 -- far greater than the 500 to 1,000 range that has been previously cited.

"Ballots that were not rejected by local or county officials for one of the four statutory reasons are not 'rejected' ballots under Minnesota law, but rather are 'uncounted' ballots," wrote Lillehaug. Later he added, "State procedure and past practice plainly require that all uncounted ballots that have not been rejected be counted, even if they were previously left uncounted at an earlier stage of the process. Counties are responsible for locating such ballots and counting them."

Whether or not the state decides to count the group of absentee ballots that didn't meet any of the four established criteria for rejection will likely determine the election's outcome. All other ballots are known as belonging to "Pile 5."

Franken's campaign contends that, following the hand recount and assuming that no challenges will be upheld, they will end the process up by a mere four votes. The campaign is still, nevertheless, pushing for Ritchie to count the contested group of absentee ballots, noting that many came from Democratic strongholds.

"In recent days, Minneapolis has conceded 171 ballots belong in so-called 'Pile 5,' and the Ramsey County elections official has stated publicly that 100 ballots were erroneously rejected in that county," wrote Lillehaug.

"Once a state has created the right to vote by absentee ballot and established certain governing rules for the process, it cannot retroactively deprive those voters who have substantially complied with the process of their right to have their ballots counted," Lillehaug concludes.

To get a sense of just how hotly contested the legal arguments surrounding this issue have become, Lillehaug referenced, in his memo, court rules and legislative actions that stemmed from the mid-19th Century.

A state decision in 1887, he writes, "recodified the election laws and imposed a duty on the state canvassing board to certify a 'correct' report." Earlier he dismissed court decisions from 1858 (O'Ferrall v Colby) and another from 1865 (Taylor v. Taylor), which have been used to argue against counting the rejected absentee ballots.

On Friday, Minnesota's state canvassing boards will ultimately decided on whether this group of ballots will be counted in the final recount tally.

The Minnesota Senate recount campaign has firmly entered its legal stages, with Al Franken's chief counsel sending a lengthy and sharply argued memorandum to the Secretary of State's office on Thursda...
The Minnesota Senate recount campaign has firmly entered its legal stages, with Al Franken's chief counsel sending a lengthy and sharply argued memorandum to the Secretary of State's office on Thursda...
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Just let it be over. Please.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:27 AM on 12/12/2008
- Cunningham I'm a Fan of Cunningham 91 fans permalink
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Why are republicans so afraid of counting all the votes?

They lose when that happens.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:26 AM on 12/12/2008
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I believe it was the Democrats in FLA. that did NOT want to count all the votes. They just wanted to count the votes in democrat counties in 2004.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:34 AM on 12/12/2008
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false

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:09 AM on 12/12/2008

Pinkmarbles! I think you lost some.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:25 AM on 12/12/2008
- sixx I'm a Fan of sixx 11 fans permalink
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"Left out of that formulation, which suggests that Gore was a hypocrite, is the fact that Bush rejected Gore’s early proposal for a full statewide recount. Bush also waged a relentless campaign of obstruction that left no time for the state courts to address the equal-prot­ection-und­er-the-law concerns raised by the U.S. Supreme Court in its final ruling on Dec. 12, 2000."

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:31 AM on 12/12/2008
- laocoon I'm a Fan of laocoon 32 fans permalink

Actually while all the republican shouting was going on I would notice covered only at 2 AM was the recount of votes in republican counties that was increasing the Bush lead. Was never covered in prime time while the republicans screamed over recounts in democratic areas. One cannot look at the stats on 2000 and 2004 and not see something was amiss unless your political desires make it impossible to see or admit.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:53 AM on 12/12/2008

I don't know what's more ridiculous -- the headline of this article or the comments by the trolls complaining about the recount. Guess what? -- no more absentee ballots were "found", however a misleading headline was found along with a bunch of gullible readers.

All things considered, the Minnesota recount is going fairly well -- much less of a hassle and scandal than the Florida 2000 partial recount. Following the law with some legal issues to be ironed out.

Of course no money to be made with the headline "slow recount gradually being resolved".

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:54 PM on 12/11/2008
- rmetz74 I'm a Fan of rmetz74 10 fans permalink

Amen. I think this is one of the most promising examples of Democracy in action that we've had in a long time. Everything is happening according to state law, the process has been highly transparent, and the result will be legitimate.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:14 AM on 12/12/2008
- pir anha I'm a Fan of pir anha 4 fans permalink

damn straight.

i'm impressed with the process in minnesota, and disgusted with the commentary from people who have obviously no clue how generally disorderly elections really are.

there are always errors in any process that involves so many humans. minnesota seems to me to have minimized them to a large degree. this is no florida; this is how it should be done.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:43 AM on 12/12/2008
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minnesota seems to me to have minimized them to a large degree. this is no florida; this is how it should be done.

This IS Fla. all over again. The election was over a month ago and they are STILL counting ballots.

We should ALL take a lesson from Minnesota on how NOT to hold an election.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:37 AM on 12/12/2008
- Hoisin I'm a Fan of Hoisin 2 fans permalink

How is it that if the legal system worked, Bush "stole" the election? I guess it must be like a bad call in hockey where a team won because of a sanctioned ref was given the authority to decide and some little child didnt know what icing was and is angry the winning goal didnt count.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:47 PM on 12/11/2008
- gratonite I'm a Fan of gratonite 7 fans permalink

That analogy doesn't play outside of the tundra states you know.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:49 AM on 12/12/2008
- WSAY I'm a Fan of WSAY 29 fans permalink
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Bad analogy. Are you brain dead?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:57 AM on 12/12/2008
- Thad I'm a Fan of Thad 4 fans permalink

Well, I tend to think argument by analogy is for people who can't win a debate on the actual facts, but I'll play along:

SOMETIMES REFS MAKE BAD CALLS.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:56 AM on 12/12/2008

I think it's called the "Shoe On The Other Foot" Rule. SCOTUS in Bush v Gore certainly cannot pass that test.

At an Election Night party at the Washington, D.C. home of Mary Ann Stoessel, widow of former Ambassador Walter Stoessel, the justice's husband, John O'Connor, mentioned to others her desire to step down, according to three witnesses. But Mr. O'Connor said his wife would be reluctant to retire if a Democrat were in the White House and would choose her replacement. Justice O'Connor declined to comment.

... O'Connor was visibly upset -- indeed furious -- when on Election Night, Nov. 7, the networks predicted that Gore would take Florida. "This is terrible," she said, as the announcement came from the television in the basement den of former Ambassador Walter Stoessel's widow's Washington home.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:07 AM on 12/14/2008
- rmetz74 I'm a Fan of rmetz74 10 fans permalink

Hoo boy.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:15 AM on 12/12/2008
- laocoon I'm a Fan of laocoon 32 fans permalink

In Bush v Gore the Supreme Court majority announced its decision created no legal precedent. What does that mean? If you are applying the law correctly it must have a precedential value, i.e. it must at least arguably apply to the next case with similar facts. When appellate courts say no precedential value it means either the precedent is already so clear there is no value to publishing the opinion (not the case in Bush v Gore) or we are NOT following the law so dont try to apply this ruling to another case. To apply your analogy the ref has called it icing not because the pass crossed 2 lines but because of some novel reason he finds in the interpretation of the rules and then (he or the commissioner) declares that the novel reason will not be used again in any other "icing" situation-- just this one. If the novel reason is valid it must be used in all similar situations or you are not applying law --you are making determinations ad hoc. Read the opinion.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:12 AM on 12/12/2008
- shockmagog I'm a Fan of shockmagog 137 fans permalink
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Any Minnesotan who voted for the 3rd party candidate Dean Barkley and not Al Franken must be feeling like a real m.o.r.o.n right now.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:26 PM on 12/11/2008
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For the umpteenth time, Barkley's votes came almost equally form both parties, according to local political analysts.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:39 AM on 12/12/2008
- WSAY I'm a Fan of WSAY 29 fans permalink
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This is why third parties almost always hurt Democrats - they are too open minded. Republicans are lemmings. They do as they are told.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:59 AM on 12/12/2008
- Thad I'm a Fan of Thad 4 fans permalink

Tell that to all the people still blaming Perot for 1992.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:57 AM on 12/12/2008
- Twinkie I'm a Fan of Twinkie 3 fans permalink

Can't they both just mud wrestle for the win now?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:51 PM on 12/11/2008
- Bruupo I'm a Fan of Bruupo 13 fans permalink

I would pay to see that. Franken would soooo win any wrestling match.

He is a former college wrestler if memory serves, even Bill-O tried to paint him as a bully for doing a double leg take-down of a stage crasher at a speaking event years ago.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:39 PM on 12/11/2008

Why would any one vote for a low life like this guy to represent them...vot­ers are stupid

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:50 PM on 12/11/2008

oldewok said "Why would any one vote for a low life like this guy to represent them...vot­ers are stupid"

I agree completely. How could we have voted in the corrupt Cole Man?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:02 PM on 12/11/2008
- pinkyboo I'm a Fan of pinkyboo 21 fans permalink

I agree voters are stupid , even though shrub stole the election SOME idiots did actually vote for him.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:46 AM on 12/12/2008
- lefty247 I'm a Fan of lefty247 5 fans permalink
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Hard to WHY but a lot of people really like COLEMAN for some unknown reason and actually voted for him! ...yuck I need a shower now.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:22 PM on 12/11/2008

Sometimes you don't have much choice. In the Illinois 2006 gubernatorial election Blago was actually the lesser of the evils. Scary thought, eh?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:38 AM on 12/12/2008
- kad282624 I'm a Fan of kad282624 5 fans permalink

im sure that the dems. will continue to find votes until franken wins

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:35 PM on 12/11/2008
- classc 1 I'm a Fan of classc 1 7 fans permalink

You know what...who cares? The GOP has stolen two elections in the past 8 years. While I think this whole nonsense of ballots turning up every other day is ridiculous­...trust me...I will not lose any sleep over the fact that Franken may have stolen an election. If he can find a few more ballots in a few more trunks...g­reat!!!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:42 PM on 12/11/2008
- kad282624 I'm a Fan of kad282624 5 fans permalink

for arguments sake lets pretend for a moment that the gop did steal 2 elections. (which they didnt) but anyway. so what your saying then is that its ok to steal elections. period. so this cycle should just continue. hey while your at it. i guess its ok for the blagojevich to sell the senate seat. see were this is going. you should be careful of what you wish for.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:53 PM on 12/11/2008
- shockmagog I'm a Fan of shockmagog 137 fans permalink
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No. Franken will not have stolen anything. All that will be done is all the votes will be counted. THAT'S IT.

Besides, all hypothetical scenarios aside--yes it's true--votes were suppressed, thrown out, and were otherwise left uncounted in Florida and Ohio. It's a simple fact that if things are equal and fair, Republicans will always lose elections.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:16 PM on 12/11/2008
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"The GOP has stolen two elections in the past 8 years"

Didn't happen, stop the lies.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:38 PM on 12/11/2008
- Siren I'm a Fan of Siren 3 fans permalink

I'm sure Coleman will continue to find votes until he can try to claim victory. SCOTUS get ready for Coleman, Scalia are you reading the tea leaves. Think 2001.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:46 PM on 12/11/2008
- Vr6 I'm a Fan of Vr6 9 fans permalink
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Of course - this isn't Ohio, you know - silly!
Al has always been a devil for the details - he'll win, 'cos he's smarter than cOalman and more tenacious, plus he's right! Most know that the last 2 elections were stolen, so stop yer whinging - paperless voting systems are just wrong and now they're on the way of the republican party (poopers) - obsolescence and good riddance to bad news!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:47 PM on 12/11/2008
- StillIRise I'm a Fan of StillIRise 565 fans permalink
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Only if they can find out where Coleman and the Republicans have hidden the votes!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:54 PM on 12/11/2008
- Ajia I'm a Fan of Ajia permalink

Yes, seems to be a lot of coffee cans still to be dug up in the back yards of people who
were sporting certain candidate signs on their front yards.

Must be nice to live in this kind of a bozo bubble where it is still thought no one will pay any attention or bother to do anything. Can they spell i-n-t-e-r-n-e-t ? Faster than a speeding bullet, world wide in no time.

In Quebec some years ago an election worker was found stuffing offending ballots into her umbrella. This could possibly be a site for another cache for Franken as well.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:12 AM on 12/12/2008
- rmetz74 I'm a Fan of rmetz74 10 fans permalink

Amazing. Republicans are now openly against counting valid votes.

You must be really proud.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:16 AM on 12/12/2008
- classc 1 I'm a Fan of classc 1 7 fans permalink

How about...a special election? Minnesota is acting like it is a banana republic. I would not trust the count no matter which way it goes.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:29 PM on 12/11/2008
- weatherwaxx I'm a Fan of weatherwaxx 256 fans permalink

This election has followed Minnesota's own rules. It is possible for an election to be this closely split. I hope they count the pile 5 ballots. If there was no reason to reject them, they should be included.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:31 PM on 12/11/2008

I'm with you.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:39 PM on 12/11/2008
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In what way are we acting like a "banana republic"? We are following state laws.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:30 AM on 12/12/2008
- pir anha I'm a Fan of pir anha 4 fans permalink

how about you inform yourself instead? a banana republic makes up laws as it goes along.

minnesota law specifies what is to be done. this election is following that. there is no "special election" in the law. surprise, no special election is held. you would instead want minnesota to behave like a banana republic and make up some law as they go along.

d'oh.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:47 AM on 12/12/2008
- classc 1 I'm a Fan of classc 1 7 fans permalink

I hear you, but when we keep reading about ballots having gone missing and turning up after the fact in places where they should not have been....it really does seem to suggest that some folks are indeed making up the rules as they go along.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:03 AM on 12/12/2008
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I don't care who comes out 4 votes ahead, this thing is a tie. The difference between winner and loser will be well within the error rate as determined by audit. Which means the candidate that garners 4 (or whatever) more votes than the other, does so as a matter of chance. I prefer the chance of a coin toss over the chance of something that purports to be other than random.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:25 PM on 12/11/2008
- weatherwaxx I'm a Fan of weatherwaxx 256 fans permalink

Mathematics is not a matter of chance. If one candidate had five votes and the other nine, the one with nine would be the winner... that's what RECOUNTS are all about.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:32 PM on 12/11/2008
- Rehbock I'm a Fan of Rehbock 3 fans permalink

unless the total for count and recount match a recount establishes mathematically only that one of the two counts must be incorrect.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:44 PM on 12/11/2008
- Cunningham I'm a Fan of Cunningham 91 fans permalink
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I prefer seeing all of the votes counted.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:27 AM on 12/12/2008
- Danny I'm a Fan of Danny 5 fans permalink

I really like the sound of "Senator Al Franken"!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:23 PM on 12/11/2008

Pssssssst. Wanna buy some Minnesota ballots?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:20 PM on 12/11/2008
- kad282624 I'm a Fan of kad282624 5 fans permalink

barry s reply: shhhh. kept it quet man.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:36 PM on 12/11/2008
- Cunningham I'm a Fan of Cunningham 91 fans permalink
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You're as pathetic as you are ignorant.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:02 AM on 12/12/2008
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Sam, do you write your headlines or does HP do it for you? Because this headline is another lie. They did not "find" more ballots. That is not what your story is about. Shame on you for allowing your story to be misrepresented like that.

Welcome to Huffington Post AKA the Internet N A T I O N A L * E N Q U I R E R.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:16 PM on 12/11/2008
- kevenseven I'm a Fan of kevenseven 501 fans permalink
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You did not just realize that this is an example of yellow journalism, did you?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:22 PM on 12/11/2008
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No, I've been seeing this site sink into yellow journalism ever since the election. I don't know why they are doing it though.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:27 PM on 12/11/2008
- Danny I'm a Fan of Danny 5 fans permalink

Bygolly
There you go again -- whining. Is that what you're gonna do for the next 4-8 years?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:25 PM on 12/11/2008
- shockmagog I'm a Fan of shockmagog 137 fans permalink
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There's too much cleaning up Bush's mess to find time to whine.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:19 PM on 12/11/2008
- kad282624 I'm a Fan of kad282624 5 fans permalink

well look in the mirror your party did win. and you and all the libs. will still cry for the next 8 years

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:10 AM on 12/12/2008
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I wonder what else they found in his garage??

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:14 PM on 12/11/2008
- kevenseven I'm a Fan of kevenseven 501 fans permalink
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God knows? When do you think Coleman will be indicted for all his crimes?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:22 PM on 12/11/2008
- kad282624 I'm a Fan of kad282624 5 fans permalink

the same time obama is.. which is never. so move on.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:37 PM on 12/11/2008

This is cool, very interesting. Just keep "finding" enough ballots and you're in. May as well just laugh at all this, sure as hell can't take it seriously.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:14 PM on 12/11/2008
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We might take you seriously if you actually read the article before commenting on it. This is not about "finding" ballots. Go back and read it and maybe you will educate yourself.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:28 PM on 12/11/2008
- kylie I'm a Fan of kylie 25 fans permalink

Most of us take elections very seriously.
We have endured eight years of the worst "president" that did not respect the real will of the people--the Bush nightmare should inspire everyone to want honest elections!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:32 AM on 12/12/2008
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