More Minnesota Absentee Ballots Found; Franken Makes Major Push

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First Posted: 12-11-08 01:23 PM   |   Updated: 01-11-09 05:12 AM

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The Minnesota Senate recount campaign has firmly entered its legal stages, with Al Franken's chief counsel sending a lengthy and sharply argued memorandum to the Secretary of State's office on Thursday making the case for counting a group of contested absentee ballots.

The newsworthy thrust of David Lillehaug's 39-page brief for Secretary of State Mark Ritchie was the direct highlighting of 62 individual cases where voters were either "erroneously rejected by election officials for not being registered," or their absentee ballots were wrongfully rejected.

Around the same time that this memo was made public, local reports emerged that put the number of potentially wrongfully rejected absentee ballots at approximately 2,000 -- far greater than the 500 to 1,000 range that has been previously cited.

"Ballots that were not rejected by local or county officials for one of the four statutory reasons are not 'rejected' ballots under Minnesota law, but rather are 'uncounted' ballots," wrote Lillehaug. Later he added, "State procedure and past practice plainly require that all uncounted ballots that have not been rejected be counted, even if they were previously left uncounted at an earlier stage of the process. Counties are responsible for locating such ballots and counting them."

Whether or not the state decides to count the group of absentee ballots that didn't meet any of the four established criteria for rejection will likely determine the election's outcome. All other ballots are known as belonging to "Pile 5."

Franken's campaign contends that, following the hand recount and assuming that no challenges will be upheld, they will end the process up by a mere four votes. The campaign is still, nevertheless, pushing for Ritchie to count the contested group of absentee ballots, noting that many came from Democratic strongholds.

"In recent days, Minneapolis has conceded 171 ballots belong in so-called 'Pile 5,' and the Ramsey County elections official has stated publicly that 100 ballots were erroneously rejected in that county," wrote Lillehaug.

"Once a state has created the right to vote by absentee ballot and established certain governing rules for the process, it cannot retroactively deprive those voters who have substantially complied with the process of their right to have their ballots counted," Lillehaug concludes.

To get a sense of just how hotly contested the legal arguments surrounding this issue have become, Lillehaug referenced, in his memo, court rules and legislative actions that stemmed from the mid-19th Century.

A state decision in 1887, he writes, "recodified the election laws and imposed a duty on the state canvassing board to certify a 'correct' report." Earlier he dismissed court decisions from 1858 (O'Ferrall v Colby) and another from 1865 (Taylor v. Taylor), which have been used to argue against counting the rejected absentee ballots.

On Friday, Minnesota's state canvassing boards will ultimately decided on whether this group of ballots will be counted in the final recount tally.

The Minnesota Senate recount campaign has firmly entered its legal stages, with Al Franken's chief counsel sending a lengthy and sharply argued memorandum to the Secretary of State's office on Thursda...
The Minnesota Senate recount campaign has firmly entered its legal stages, with Al Franken's chief counsel sending a lengthy and sharply argued memorandum to the Secretary of State's office on Thursda...
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He's still trying to steal this one?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:17 PM on 12/11/2008
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And how would he do that? Please enlighten us.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:51 PM on 12/11/2008
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He can't enlighten anyone. He's just spouting the usual rightwing lies and talking points of which, you will notice, never have any truth in them.

Neither candidate controls where and who finds ballots but to listen to the lying liars on the right Al and Acorn, and probably Bin Laden are right now manufacturing ballots.

It must hurt these guys to have their tin foil hats screwed on so tight.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:38 PM on 12/11/2008
- Kram I'm a Fan of Kram 4 fans permalink

By winning a fair recount? Typical repug non-sense.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:47 PM on 12/11/2008
- Vr6 I'm a Fan of Vr6 12 fans permalink
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People seem to forget how instrumental Al Franken has been these last 8 yrs. He's been a continual thorn in the media's side - notably fOx and ever acerbic in his bUshco observations. Infact pretty much from the beginning he's been an activist and one working for truth and accountability, or have we forgotten that? One of the smarter entertainment types to get involved - smarter than raygun, smarter than tHompson..... smarter than many give him credit for. For many he was an early voice for truth, one of a few and a true American to boot, I bet many wish he'd just go away... but he won't! Finger!s crossed

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:10 PM on 12/11/2008

Franken is cherry picking those 67 absentee voters. He has never been ahead in the recount, despite his campaign's spin. He's looking very silly these days.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:18 PM on 12/11/2008
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Not pressing to count every vote, each and every vote, would look even siller. Giving up in 2000 is what gave us the worst president ever.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:29 PM on 12/11/2008
- hrhkat29 I'm a Fan of hrhkat29 2 fans permalink

if the campaign was over so long ago then there should be a much greater number, and an obvious winner, otherwise i say keep counting...

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:37 PM on 12/11/2008
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What 67 absentee voters? There are more like 2,000 and Franken has no idea how many of them are votes for him or votes for Coleman.

Why is it that Franken wants every valid vote counted and Coleman is fighting like hell to stop valid votes from being counted.

Don't you find that embarrassing to support someone who wants to disenfranchise voters?

How would you feel if your vote was one of them that is being disenfranchised?

You may think that Franken looks silly but more people think he looks pretty good. It's nice to see someone fighting for every vote.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:54 PM on 12/11/2008

He has never been ahead simply because Coleman has challenged thousands of ballots.

It doesn't matter who's "ahead" at any random point in time, all that matters is who has more votes when the counting is done, that's when ALL ballots have been counted.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:01 PM on 12/11/2008

You sound as though you yourself have been counting the votes during the recount. How can you be so sure that Franken has never been ahead in the recount? The truth is you can't be sure and therefore your words make you look foolish and clearly expose your bias.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:02 PM on 12/11/2008
- ptarantino I'm a Fan of ptarantino 9 fans permalink

keep it all above the table & let the chips fall after every person/ballet is counted.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:01 PM on 12/11/2008
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America takes better care of curbside pet feces than it does ballots.

SOT

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:00 PM on 12/11/2008

To those who oppose counting the WRONGLY rejected absentee ballots, PLEASE ANSWER.

If YOU voted absentee and you found out that YOUR ballot was valid but was rejected by mistake, would YOU be fine with it not being counted, even after it was discovered that it was wrongly rejected.

Please answer, I'm dying to hear what you have to say.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:45 PM on 12/11/2008
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They wont answer until they pull their fingers out of the light socket.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:49 PM on 12/11/2008
- Durango I'm a Fan of Durango 152 fans permalink

I might consider exercising my Second Amendment rights!

(not really. That would be treason.)

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:01 PM on 12/11/2008
- huffposeur I'm a Fan of huffposeur 23 fans permalink

what if i found out that my absentee ballot was rejected and that my decision to not vote for either candidate is being minsterpreted as a vote for franken?

lots and lots of people chose to BLANK this race -in other words: vote for obama but NOT vote for franken- and it's hard for the franken campaign to accept that.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:15 PM on 12/11/2008
- Henk I'm a Fan of Henk 28 fans permalink
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Your comment makes absolutely no sense. I did see one candidate questioning ballots with vote for McCain and no vote for Senator but it wasn't Franken.

But that wasn't the question, some folks may be to stupid to understand it, but let's try again. If you voted absentee and some moon-bat liberal election judge rejected your ballot for no good reason would you want it counted?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:37 PM on 12/11/2008
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And those votes are not being counted for Franken. The election judges have made a determination that if there was no vote for Senator than no vote counted.

But, I think you have it backwards. It was Coleman who was trying to say that if someone voted for McCain, that must mean they meant to vote for him. Al Franken did not challenge any votes where no vote was cast.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:56 PM on 12/11/2008

You'd have every right to be upset.

But is there a single example of your hypothetical situation (which has absolutely nothing to do with my question)? Link please?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:02 PM on 12/11/2008
- Durango I'm a Fan of Durango 152 fans permalink

If the ballot is blank it is not going to be counted.

What kind of dumb scenario is that? have you been paying any attention at all?

On the other hand: If the officials can determine the will of the voter the law says it should be counted.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:34 AM on 12/12/2008
- laocoon I'm a Fan of laocoon 30 fans permalink

You are radically misstating the issue either because you have not bothered to understand it or you just want to mislead others.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:38 AM on 12/12/2008

This will be a hard slog - but it's worthwhile.

Anyone see Stefan Forbes' doc on Lee Atwater on PBS last month? His career and Rove's was predicated on dirty tricks and outwearing your opponent.

And as we saw in 2000, in Baker v. Christopher, Dems were right, but outflanked.

Go, Al!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:45 PM on 12/11/2008
- laocoon I'm a Fan of laocoon 30 fans permalink

I watched the election coverage in 2000 nearly round the clock for weeks. In prime time all the channels covered the Democratic requests for recounts in Democratic counties, Republican complaints about recounting votes as unfair, coverage of those issues from that frame. Late at night you would hear a brief mention of Republican requested recounts in republican counties that were proceeding without notice or fanfare and which were finding additional bush votes. The media never mentioned the republican county recounts in prime time nor commented on it at all.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:44 AM on 12/12/2008
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Keep fighting Al!!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:40 PM on 12/11/2008
- Aranxa I'm a Fan of Aranxa 6 fans permalink
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Go Al, Go!!! Go Al, Go!!! I love you Franky baby!!!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:37 PM on 12/11/2008
- panurse I'm a Fan of panurse 18 fans permalink
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go Al!!! Don't give up the fight

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:28 PM on 12/11/2008
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Who would have guessed we'd get this much dram out of freakin minnesota?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:34 PM on 12/11/2008

As a Freakin Minnesotan, I can assure you, we are quite dramatic. Just in a quiet way. And, in a pretty doggone honest way!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:55 PM on 12/11/2008
- FZliveson I'm a Fan of FZliveson 99 fans permalink
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How can you be "quietly dramatic?"
Silent movies?
Plays in homes for the deaf?
Clue us in, please.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:00 PM on 12/11/2008
- Lion24 I'm a Fan of Lion24 183 fans permalink
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Go Al!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:29 PM on 12/11/2008

Franken = Thief.

Funny thief, but sorry, funny doesn't mean ethical.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:28 PM on 12/11/2008

He just wants to count all the ballots.

What's the objection to counting a perfectly valid absentee ballot that was WRONGLY rejected? Please explain to me why you oppose counting all the votes?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:31 PM on 12/11/2008

See my answer to bygollymissmolly , above.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:30 PM on 12/23/2008
- whatthel I'm a Fan of whatthel 304 fans permalink
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Since when does protecting your rights make you a thief.

By the way, I believe Coleman is the one under investigation by the FBI.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:33 PM on 12/11/2008

See my answer to bygollymissmolly , above.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:30 PM on 12/23/2008

I know, it is just plain wrong to expect all the votes to be counted. What do you think this is, a denmocracy or something?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:34 PM on 12/11/2008

See my answer to bygollymissmolly , above.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:30 PM on 12/23/2008
- jotunloki I'm a Fan of jotunloki 8 fans permalink
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HuntedDown = Repug T R O L L

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:34 PM on 12/11/2008

Sorry, I'm a Democrat. Might live under a bridge, but facts is facts.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:34 AM on 12/24/2008
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Go away tro ll.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:35 PM on 12/11/2008
- ElPerro I'm a Fan of ElPerro 27 fans permalink
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I'm looking forward to purchasing a used car from Norm Coleman once he's out on parole.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:27 PM on 12/11/2008
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Minnesota...the state that gave us Michele Bachman (again)
and now it appears probably Norm Coleman (again)

Thank You

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:25 PM on 12/11/2008
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Not if they count every valid vote.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:39 PM on 12/11/2008
- LeeCalif I'm a Fan of LeeCalif 83 fans permalink

Alright Al, Looking good !!!

Can hardly wait, Mr. Senator !!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:24 PM on 12/11/2008
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Exactly, and we really shouldn't lose sight of the fact that so many of our dems rolled over too easily for the right.

Whether Al wins or not, I'm pleased that he is at least giving it a shot. Maybe Kerry could learn a thing or two from Franken.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:41 PM on 12/11/2008

Post your support for counting the vote at the youtube page for this video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YBOad11LueE
I've seen too many mean-spirited comments over there.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:17 PM on 12/11/2008
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