More Minnesota Absentee Ballots Found; Franken Makes Major Push

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First Posted: 12-11-08 01:23 PM   |   Updated: 01-11-09 05:12 AM

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The Minnesota Senate recount campaign has firmly entered its legal stages, with Al Franken's chief counsel sending a lengthy and sharply argued memorandum to the Secretary of State's office on Thursday making the case for counting a group of contested absentee ballots.

The newsworthy thrust of David Lillehaug's 39-page brief for Secretary of State Mark Ritchie was the direct highlighting of 62 individual cases where voters were either "erroneously rejected by election officials for not being registered," or their absentee ballots were wrongfully rejected.

Around the same time that this memo was made public, local reports emerged that put the number of potentially wrongfully rejected absentee ballots at approximately 2,000 -- far greater than the 500 to 1,000 range that has been previously cited.

"Ballots that were not rejected by local or county officials for one of the four statutory reasons are not 'rejected' ballots under Minnesota law, but rather are 'uncounted' ballots," wrote Lillehaug. Later he added, "State procedure and past practice plainly require that all uncounted ballots that have not been rejected be counted, even if they were previously left uncounted at an earlier stage of the process. Counties are responsible for locating such ballots and counting them."

Whether or not the state decides to count the group of absentee ballots that didn't meet any of the four established criteria for rejection will likely determine the election's outcome. All other ballots are known as belonging to "Pile 5."

Franken's campaign contends that, following the hand recount and assuming that no challenges will be upheld, they will end the process up by a mere four votes. The campaign is still, nevertheless, pushing for Ritchie to count the contested group of absentee ballots, noting that many came from Democratic strongholds.

"In recent days, Minneapolis has conceded 171 ballots belong in so-called 'Pile 5,' and the Ramsey County elections official has stated publicly that 100 ballots were erroneously rejected in that county," wrote Lillehaug.

"Once a state has created the right to vote by absentee ballot and established certain governing rules for the process, it cannot retroactively deprive those voters who have substantially complied with the process of their right to have their ballots counted," Lillehaug concludes.

To get a sense of just how hotly contested the legal arguments surrounding this issue have become, Lillehaug referenced, in his memo, court rules and legislative actions that stemmed from the mid-19th Century.

A state decision in 1887, he writes, "recodified the election laws and imposed a duty on the state canvassing board to certify a 'correct' report." Earlier he dismissed court decisions from 1858 (O'Ferrall v Colby) and another from 1865 (Taylor v. Taylor), which have been used to argue against counting the rejected absentee ballots.

On Friday, Minnesota's state canvassing boards will ultimately decided on whether this group of ballots will be counted in the final recount tally.

The Minnesota Senate recount campaign has firmly entered its legal stages, with Al Franken's chief counsel sending a lengthy and sharply argued memorandum to the Secretary of State's office on Thursda...
The Minnesota Senate recount campaign has firmly entered its legal stages, with Al Franken's chief counsel sending a lengthy and sharply argued memorandum to the Secretary of State's office on Thursda...
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all I can say is that our democracy is under attack from within from all corners... how these s@ums got in has to be investigated, these people are undemining the country at every turn. these last 8 years have been the worst experience of my entire 52 years.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:29 PM on 12/11/2008
- kellygrrrl I'm a Fan of kellygrrrl 643 fans permalink
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Agree

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:34 PM on 12/11/2008
- fcsakes I'm a Fan of fcsakes 92 fans permalink
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Double agree and make mine 63 years.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:45 PM on 12/11/2008
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This is a mess and utterly exhausting to follow - how many more ballots will be "found"? I do hope Franken wins fair & square but its gotten ridiculous.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:29 PM on 12/11/2008
- MNmommy I'm a Fan of MNmommy 396 fans permalink
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They aren't being *found*, the ballots this article is addressing is absentee ballots that were rejected without meeting one of the four criteria for rejection. In other words, for no reason at all.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:37 PM on 12/11/2008
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Please read the article before posting. These were not "found" votes. It is about the fact that it appears more of the 6,000 uncounted absentee ballots appear to be valid than was first thought.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:41 PM on 12/11/2008
- buckbuck11 I'm a Fan of buckbuck11 13 fans permalink

What is it about Repubicans (and selected Dems with personality disorders) that makes them unable to just play by the rules? Oh, yeah. If they play by the rules they LOSE!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:29 PM on 12/11/2008
- fcsakes I'm a Fan of fcsakes 92 fans permalink
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Because to a repuke, politics isn't about serving the country, politics is about scamming and skimming.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:46 PM on 12/11/2008

one word: narcissism

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:49 PM on 12/11/2008
- Carolab I'm a Fan of Carolab 443 fans permalink
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I wrote to my SOS Mark Ritchie and urged him to count the absentees. If you care you can write him too:

markritchie2010.net0.net

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:26 PM on 12/11/2008
- SurferKit I'm a Fan of SurferKit 179 fans permalink
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Thanks. I'll do that.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:28 PM on 12/11/2008
- Missmn I'm a Fan of Missmn 2 fans permalink

I think he'd like nothing better than to count the ballots, and they clearly should be counted. The problem as I understand it, is that Minnesota election law does not specifically provide for what to do in this situation. The law clearly lists four reasons for rejecting absentee ballots, but does not say what to do should ballots be found to have been incorrectly rejected. That is why the canvassing board was not able to grant the Franken campaign access to the absentee ballots earlier in the process and why the Franken campaign had to go to court to get access.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:59 PM on 12/11/2008
- JohnShank I'm a Fan of JohnShank 6 fans permalink

Norm is a tu rd.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:15 PM on 12/11/2008
- myoungholt I'm a Fan of myoungholt 22 fans permalink

Guess that 'bout sez it all!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:18 PM on 12/11/2008
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Yeah, but you have to admit - he sure looks dapper in those suits.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:29 PM on 12/11/2008
- cactusgal I'm a Fan of cactusgal 123 fans permalink

Well put, Sir!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:27 PM on 12/11/2008
- DXM I'm a Fan of DXM 12 fans permalink
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No matter how this incredibly close Senate election in Minnesota turns out, it will end up being cited as an example to encourage people to get out and vote because your vote could decide an election.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:14 PM on 12/11/2008
- MNmommy I'm a Fan of MNmommy 396 fans permalink
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Exactly.

It also tells me to never vote absentee again unless it's absolutely necessary.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:22 PM on 12/11/2008
- Carolab I'm a Fan of Carolab 443 fans permalink
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Remember when Greg Palast was saying this before the election? He said do NOT vote absentee unless it's absolutely necessary.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:28 PM on 12/11/2008
- doctorwang I'm a Fan of doctorwang 196 fans permalink
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you would have thought that people would have learned that lesson after the 2000 presidential election.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:25 PM on 12/11/2008
- Missmn I'm a Fan of Missmn 2 fans permalink

What lesson would that be? Go to court and force the state to stop counting the votes? Disenfranchise as many people as possible? Am I getting warm here?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:04 PM on 12/11/2008
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This is Minnesota we're talking about. The Midwest. Don't bother me, I'm ice-fishing.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:30 PM on 12/11/2008
- Carolab I'm a Fan of Carolab 443 fans permalink
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Wrong. Minnesota has higher turnout than any state. We are VERY involved.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:34 PM on 12/11/2008
- Missmn I'm a Fan of Missmn 2 fans permalink

Minnesota consistently leads the nation in voter turn out.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:02 PM on 12/11/2008
- richinkle I'm a Fan of richinkle 17 fans permalink

This is definitely good news for Al Franken. I am very proud of the way Senator-to-be-Franken has tenaciously held firm to the only genuinely rational and enlightened principle in this entire process: Every legitimately case vote must be counted. (Legitimately = the voter was registered, the intent was clear, and the ballot was mailed on time and was without serious voter error, as laid out in Minnesota law).

Administrative errors on the part of the electoral officials should never, in a properly functioning democracy, disqualify a vote. That is the path to Tyranny.

Go, Al, Go!!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:13 PM on 12/11/2008

So... what indicates "intent"?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:22 PM on 12/11/2008
- Carolab I'm a Fan of Carolab 443 fans permalink
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There are state laws governing this; they were employed in the recount. The absentee issue is different; primarily it concerns whether or not these ballots should have been counted or were rejected erroneously based on the criteria for counting them.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:30 PM on 12/11/2008

Most paper ballots require you to use a pen or pencil to mark the ballot for the candidate you want to vote for. Paper ballots often are counted by a computer scanner. For the scanner to read the ballot, the voter usually has to fill in a circle next to the candidate's name. But sometimes, people put a checkmark or an 'x' in the circle instead of filling it in, and the scanner won't read it.

So even though the voter clearly intended to vote for the candidate whose name he/she put an 'x' or other mark by, it wasn't counted. But the voter's intent is clear. So the candidate should get the vote even though the ballot wasn't correctly marked.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:46 PM on 12/11/2008
- Rrhain I'm a Fan of Rrhain 14 fans permalink

The statues that were written to handle this. You don't think it's just some guy making it up as he goes along, do you?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:56 PM on 12/11/2008
- Missmn I'm a Fan of Missmn 2 fans permalink

You can check the Minneapolis Star Tribune, or Minnesota Public Radio websites for details on what constitutes intent in Minnesota. There are specific guidelines called out by Minnesota election law.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:05 PM on 12/11/2008
- laocoon I'm a Fan of laocoon 30 fans permalink

Both marking Frankens box and writing in his name for example. I believe this will be rejected by some machines as no vote. Circling his name instead of blacking in the box. the same sort of rhetorical question can be asked of hundreds of concepts a judge or jury must decide in real cases. what shows criminal intent for example? Reasonable people can disagree about particular applications but that is no reason to pull the plug on the legal system.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:56 AM on 12/12/2008
- Carolab I'm a Fan of Carolab 443 fans permalink
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To send Al a message of support before the Canvassing Board meets tomorrow:

http://www.moveon.org/r?r=51042&id=15246-8569106-UDc5H5x&t=3

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:28 PM on 12/11/2008
- Mogamboguru I'm a Fan of Mogamboguru 331 fans permalink
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Some day in the 21st century, US-elections will hopefully be completely conducted via

a. the Internet, only to be assisted by
b. mail.

That's all that's needed to conduct fair, fast, cheap and simple elections. It's feasible - and it works great in other countries, already.

These 19th-century-Pony-Express-like elections are not appropriate for the USA in the 21st Century any more.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:11 PM on 12/11/2008
- polson I'm a Fan of polson 8 fans permalink
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Respectfully, I must completely disagree. I live in Minnesota. If our Senate election had been conducted electronically without any paper trail, there would be nothing available to re-count. Totally electronic systems without a paper trail are a terrible idea that's begging for disaster.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:17 PM on 12/11/2008
- minnelusa I'm a Fan of minnelusa 3 fans permalink

Totally agree. There must be a paper trail.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:12 PM on 12/11/2008
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I disagree with the Internet, too much room for cheating. I agree with by mail. I live in Oregon and love voting by mail. No muss no fuss. You can even vote in your jammies if you want.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:44 PM on 12/11/2008
- goldnchyl I'm a Fan of goldnchyl 13 fans permalink
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I agree. Though we all know that paper ballots leave room for error as well. Just consider the questionable ballots here. I think an electronic ballot with paper trail (receipt) is the best way to go.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:59 PM on 12/11/2008
- Missmn I'm a Fan of Missmn 2 fans permalink

Give me paper any day.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:05 PM on 12/11/2008
- Durango I'm a Fan of Durango 148 fans permalink

Can YOU explain to me in simple terms how the internet works?

Can YOU guarantee that no one will hack the results?

No and Nope.

Only trust the government when you can see it at work. the simplest methods are the best.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:14 PM on 12/11/2008

Durango raises a valid point Mogambo. A Computer expert could easily rig the system to funnel votes through another server before having them reach their final destination. Just ask Acting president Bush. He person did it in Michigan.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:35 PM on 12/11/2008
- laocoon I'm a Fan of laocoon 30 fans permalink

and we could even then avoid the election all together and just declare the republican (or whoever controlled the program ) the winner.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:26 PM on 12/12/2008
- goldnchyl I'm a Fan of goldnchyl 13 fans permalink
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Can someone please explain to me how there are so many "missing" and "found" ballots??

Isn't there a process to protecting ballots?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:10 PM on 12/11/2008
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Read the article.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:44 PM on 12/11/2008
- goldnchyl I'm a Fan of goldnchyl 13 fans permalink
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I did. It just seems, considering this entire debacle, that some are not following protocol.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:56 PM on 12/11/2008

I guess they will keep on ..ahem... finding new ballots until Franken wins.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:05 PM on 12/11/2008
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Let's hope whoever has the most votes wins.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:10 PM on 12/11/2008

Let's hope whoever has the most legal votes wins.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:11 PM on 12/11/2008
- tomjones44 I'm a Fan of tomjones44 4 fans permalink

You know Coleman is being investigated by the FBI right now, right?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:11 PM on 12/11/2008
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How ironic will it be if Coleman wins and the very next day he it arrested by the FBI.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:25 PM on 12/11/2008
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Good.

I hope he has to resign, and Pawlenty can name a REAL Republican.

Doesn't matter anyway. Even assuming Franken wins, you're still two votes shy of breaking a filibuster.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:30 PM on 12/11/2008

Of course it depends on how well Coleman's moles buried them.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:15 PM on 12/11/2008
- taddles I'm a Fan of taddles 29 fans permalink

Or perhaps they will...ahem..keep on counting them till all the ballots are counted.

What's with you Repubs and not counting all the ballots? Are so firmly entrenched in the right wing concept of "win by limiting the vote" that you just casually disregard the voters intent? You don't have a clue who those votes might be for, they could just as easily be votes for Coleman that sends him decidedly over the top to a win. What then, should we disregard them if they give a win to Coleman??? I'm quite certain if the impetus were towards Coleman you wouldn't be so flippant with other peoples votes.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:27 PM on 12/11/2008

First off, I am not a repub.

Secondly, I only favor counting ballots cast legally on the day of the election.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:32 PM on 12/11/2008
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Let's just hope Coleman wins so he can continue promoting the ideology responsible for sending everything it touched into a tailspin with unprecedented rapidity, and make snarky comments about the possibility someone with an adult worldview might get into office instead.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:31 PM on 12/11/2008

Best of luck, Al!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:05 PM on 12/11/2008
- tyger I'm a Fan of tyger 19 fans permalink

America is kicking repug butts left and right. Man am I lucky to see this day!!!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:05 PM on 12/11/2008
- tyger I'm a Fan of tyger 19 fans permalink

Talk about your rethug crooks. These people are anti-American!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:02 PM on 12/11/2008

Oh, you mean the Secretary of State who is a member of the democrat-farmer party? Yes, he is trying to steal the election.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:25 PM on 12/11/2008
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And how is the Secretary of State trying to steal the election? Perhaps you can enlighten us.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:47 PM on 12/11/2008
- minnelusa I'm a Fan of minnelusa 3 fans permalink

Just how can one person (the SOS) steal it when he is only one party to the total Canvassing Board ?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:16 PM on 12/11/2008

Why is it that these "uncounted" votes always seem to spring up from "democrat strongholds." And more ever, why is it that all "troubled ballots" seem to always be democrat? What is so darn difficult about regstering to vote, filling out a ballot, correctly signing the ballot envelope and then mailing it in to the county?

To my democrat brothers, this libertarian suggest that you begin funding and running PSAs on how to vote because it seems that your side more often finds this difficult than does the other side.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:02 PM on 12/11/2008

When Repug thugs running county election boards find problems with Democratic Party registrations, it's pretty obvious they aren't looking for the same in Repug registrations. Then there's also the problem of perhaps never quite having enough voting mahcines in certain precincts where Democrats live.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:10 PM on 12/11/2008
- myoungholt I'm a Fan of myoungholt 22 fans permalink

Uncounted ballots spring up from democrat strongholds probably because those are the ones the rethugs tried to hide. What's so hard to understand about that? Same for the troubled ballots. Rethugs make them troubled.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:11 PM on 12/11/2008
- MNmommy I'm a Fan of MNmommy 396 fans permalink
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It probably has something to do with the fact that the Democratic *strongholds* are where the population is the most dense in the state.

Outstate is Republican as is the further out wealthier bands of suburbs and exhurbs.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:14 PM on 12/11/2008
- doctorwang I'm a Fan of doctorwang 196 fans permalink
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true. Many urban areas are Democratic.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:28 PM on 12/11/2008
- CR46 I'm a Fan of CR46 275 fans permalink

Also the democratic stronghold of the "Iron Range" is very rural and never knowing about the weather and road conditions many elderly (example my father at 87) voted on an absentee ballot. Without early voting many who live where there is no public trans. use these ballots to vote "early" in case of ice or snow storms! And there is nothing difficult about registering in Minnesota but apparently Tim Pawlentys GOP controlled capitol has been "losing" votes from certain areas!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:22 PM on 12/11/2008
- minnelusa I'm a Fan of minnelusa 3 fans permalink

See, even you got it wrong. In addition to signing the ballot envelope, it also has to be witnessed.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:17 PM on 12/11/2008

This should never have taken this long if the election was better managed.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:00 PM on 12/11/2008
- minnelusa I'm a Fan of minnelusa 3 fans permalink

What does better managing an election have to do with recounting a close election ? Huh ???

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:19 PM on 12/11/2008
- laocoon I'm a Fan of laocoon 30 fans permalink

right!!!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:39 PM on 12/12/2008
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