More Minnesota Absentee Ballots Found; Franken Makes Major Push

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First Posted: 12-11-08 01:23 PM   |   Updated: 01-11-09 05:12 AM

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The Minnesota Senate recount campaign has firmly entered its legal stages, with Al Franken's chief counsel sending a lengthy and sharply argued memorandum to the Secretary of State's office on Thursday making the case for counting a group of contested absentee ballots.

The newsworthy thrust of David Lillehaug's 39-page brief for Secretary of State Mark Ritchie was the direct highlighting of 62 individual cases where voters were either "erroneously rejected by election officials for not being registered," or their absentee ballots were wrongfully rejected.

Around the same time that this memo was made public, local reports emerged that put the number of potentially wrongfully rejected absentee ballots at approximately 2,000 -- far greater than the 500 to 1,000 range that has been previously cited.

"Ballots that were not rejected by local or county officials for one of the four statutory reasons are not 'rejected' ballots under Minnesota law, but rather are 'uncounted' ballots," wrote Lillehaug. Later he added, "State procedure and past practice plainly require that all uncounted ballots that have not been rejected be counted, even if they were previously left uncounted at an earlier stage of the process. Counties are responsible for locating such ballots and counting them."

Whether or not the state decides to count the group of absentee ballots that didn't meet any of the four established criteria for rejection will likely determine the election's outcome. All other ballots are known as belonging to "Pile 5."

Franken's campaign contends that, following the hand recount and assuming that no challenges will be upheld, they will end the process up by a mere four votes. The campaign is still, nevertheless, pushing for Ritchie to count the contested group of absentee ballots, noting that many came from Democratic strongholds.

"In recent days, Minneapolis has conceded 171 ballots belong in so-called 'Pile 5,' and the Ramsey County elections official has stated publicly that 100 ballots were erroneously rejected in that county," wrote Lillehaug.

"Once a state has created the right to vote by absentee ballot and established certain governing rules for the process, it cannot retroactively deprive those voters who have substantially complied with the process of their right to have their ballots counted," Lillehaug concludes.

To get a sense of just how hotly contested the legal arguments surrounding this issue have become, Lillehaug referenced, in his memo, court rules and legislative actions that stemmed from the mid-19th Century.

A state decision in 1887, he writes, "recodified the election laws and imposed a duty on the state canvassing board to certify a 'correct' report." Earlier he dismissed court decisions from 1858 (O'Ferrall v Colby) and another from 1865 (Taylor v. Taylor), which have been used to argue against counting the rejected absentee ballots.

On Friday, Minnesota's state canvassing boards will ultimately decided on whether this group of ballots will be counted in the final recount tally.

The Minnesota Senate recount campaign has firmly entered its legal stages, with Al Franken's chief counsel sending a lengthy and sharply argued memorandum to the Secretary of State's office on Thursda...
The Minnesota Senate recount campaign has firmly entered its legal stages, with Al Franken's chief counsel sending a lengthy and sharply argued memorandum to the Secretary of State's office on Thursda...
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Mostly Franken votes rejected? huh...

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:00 PM on 12/11/2008

Do not concede Al!
Keep on fighting!
Never give up, never...
We're behind you all the way.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:55 PM on 12/11/2008

Ha, ha, I feel you RayMcD, I'm with Franken but what you said reminded me of something.

I just couldn't help but recall John Mc-I-need-a-cane's speeches:

We are Americans we Never give up
We Never give in
Fight with me
Fight, fight, Fight Ha, ha,

Okay enough said.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:08 PM on 12/11/2008
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I find it amazing how many people respond to a post without even reading it. All they do is read the misleading headline and off they go. It's mostly the right wingers who do it, so I guess that speaks volumes about their IQ's.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:52 PM on 12/11/2008
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You have a point!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:30 PM on 12/11/2008
- minnelusa I'm a Fan of minnelusa 3 fans permalink

Bush I.Q.'s

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:21 PM on 12/11/2008
- reflux12 I'm a Fan of reflux12 11 fans permalink

Coleman loses (I hope) to Franken or Coleman loses to the about to explode Money Scandal and goes down like Ten Stevens and has to be replaced,so ether way Coleman is out,the only question is "will it be sooner or later?".I dunno maybe it would be better for Coleman to win just to see the Money Scandal Fireworks as he goes down in flames.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:51 PM on 12/11/2008
- irtrad17 I'm a Fan of irtrad17 3 fans permalink

THere should be Federal guidelines for run off elections. Florida, Ohio and Minnesota could actually learn a thing or two from Georgia's experience

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:51 PM on 12/11/2008
- 1murillo I'm a Fan of 1murillo 26 fans permalink

1) This is a recount, not a run-off; close counts will take longer than landslides because there is much more scrutiny for every (potential) vote;

2) We have (loose) Federal guidelines on registration times or methods, voting times or methods and recount times and methods. Changing one without the others will only fail.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:06 PM on 12/11/2008

I've been reading Ann Coulter's column on this. She's having a MAJOR cow over this!

I LOVE stuff that makes her explode!

It appears that Franken's insistence on counting the votes is a waste of money and an indication of the breakdown of civilization as we know it, in her opinion. I'm sure his comments about her a few years ago had nothing to do with it.

Aaaahhh -- life is good!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:48 PM on 12/11/2008
- BCubedReg I'm a Fan of BCubedReg 6 fans permalink

You read Ann Coulter.. wow.. I don't even like to hear her name.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:51 PM on 12/11/2008
- 11907281 I'm a Fan of 11907281 15 fans permalink
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One of my favorite Rage Against the Machine songs was "Know your Enemy", I'll guess that applies here.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:11 PM on 12/11/2008

I could not read her comments only because it is not good for my health, I think I am allergic to the very sight of her.
You are very courageous or a glutton for punishment.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:01 PM on 12/11/2008
- 4everdem I'm a Fan of 4everdem 3 fans permalink

Careful. Too much Coulter rots ones brain.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:18 PM on 12/11/2008
- elr50 I'm a Fan of elr50 20 fans permalink

I would LOVE to see Coulter explode, I'd PAY to be the one to push the button!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:20 PM on 12/11/2008
- minnelusa I'm a Fan of minnelusa 3 fans permalink

Would be nice if she has to have her jaws wired shut for the unforeseen future.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:22 PM on 12/11/2008
- Earl I'm a Fan of Earl 112 fans permalink
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Let's say a guy injures a couple fingers on his writing hand and has to sign the absentee ballot with his other hand. He mails the ballot in, but his signature doesn't match what the elections officials have on file. Should his vote be counted or not?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:47 PM on 12/11/2008
- cactusgal I'm a Fan of cactusgal 123 fans permalink

Depends. If he injured his hand slapping the pi$$ out of Coleman, then yes, his vote should be counted.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:52 PM on 12/11/2008
- Ramirez I'm a Fan of Ramirez 295 fans permalink
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If the rules are based on comparing signatures the guy is out of luck.

If the rules require a voter to show ID he has no problem.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:53 PM on 12/11/2008
- Missmn I'm a Fan of Missmn 2 fans permalink

For all you people fretting about how long the recount is taking, chillax already! We were told it would take this long. December 19 is the date I heard back in November once the recount became a (legally mandated) reality. That's next Friday, my friends. Perhaps you can put off your hand-wringing for another week.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:45 PM on 12/11/2008
- bandillero I'm a Fan of bandillero 7 fans permalink
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How about having these 2 effers share the 6years equally and save me from this drip drip nonsense of unending counting? Or have the MN effers have only 1 senator since they couldn't vote this Coleman guy out nor can they count votes

Or have Blagejovich decide. He knows the way to decide stuff like this

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:45 PM on 12/11/2008
- alienufo I'm a Fan of alienufo 3 fans permalink
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they should just have a runoff. Without the 3rd party candidate, one of them would surely win a clear majority.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:16 PM on 12/11/2008
- bayside I'm a Fan of bayside 41 fans permalink
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All votes should be counted. If that was my vote in that pile , you better believe I would expect it to be counted..

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:44 PM on 12/11/2008
- Raster I'm a Fan of Raster 24 fans permalink

Al, u go boy! Don't let up, git 'em!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:41 PM on 12/11/2008
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As Jerry Lewis says in the telethon-

"What's the tote?"

Seriously, does anyone know where the recount stands or who the hell is ahead? This is totally confusing.

Love how more "missing" ballots keep popping up? How were they not there in the first place? Gee, could it be that the GOP are again supressing votes?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:39 PM on 12/11/2008
- myoungholt I'm a Fan of myoungholt 22 fans permalink

And that might be why Coleman wanted Franken to concede early before the first counting was finished.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:43 PM on 12/11/2008
- teasley I'm a Fan of teasley 8 fans permalink

Trollbwild: It doesn't matter who is ahead. I live in Mn. and predicted Nov.5 that the count would go on until they discover enough Franken votes for a victory.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:11 PM on 12/11/2008
- minnelusa I'm a Fan of minnelusa 3 fans permalink

The republican talking points are out already. Looks like they are expecting their boy to lose.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:24 PM on 12/11/2008
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1) More Democrat shanagans. Wait long enought they'll be finding all sorts of ballots under matresses, in car trunks, under furniture. What a crock

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:39 PM on 12/11/2008
- jacko88 I'm a Fan of jacko88 6 fans permalink

Why are you so eager to blame the democrats? How is it "they" who are finding ballots and not election officials across the state?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:49 PM on 12/11/2008
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This election may come down to a coin toss. Seriously.
http://www.nytimes.com/2008/12/04/opinion/04seife.html?_r=1

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:38 PM on 12/11/2008
- Durango I'm a Fan of Durango 153 fans permalink

Or the Senate could demand a run off election like they did in New Hampshire in the 1970's.

That would probably be the sensible thing to do. No matter who has the most votes at the end.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:41 PM on 12/11/2008

PLEASE! No more campaigning; no more voting! COUNT the votes cast; recount them; recount them; and recount them.....until the COUNT is a constant. Minnesota's voters will merely have to exercise some of their much-acclaimed, "laid back," patience.....

If necessary Minnesota MUST become the PARADIGM amongst the various U.S. states as to how to contend with a very close election. The consequences of a "HURRIED" tally is all to obvious from the debacle in Florida's 2000 Presidential count!!!!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:56 PM on 12/11/2008
- edgemo I'm a Fan of edgemo 6 fans permalink

I wish (senator) Franken the best in this, but all the technicalities just further underline the fact that the US system is broken. The dream, and the promise of America is the envy of the world, but the electoral system is a joke laughed by billions.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:35 PM on 12/11/2008
- Durango I'm a Fan of Durango 153 fans permalink

This is not evidence of a broken system.

This evidence of an incredibly close race.

The system is working fine. Courts are where you settle disputes in America.

Shooting it out in duels went out with Andy Jackson. And if you have a better way of resolving it, I would like to hear it.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:39 PM on 12/11/2008
- minnelusa I'm a Fan of minnelusa 3 fans permalink

Good comment Durango !

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:26 PM on 12/11/2008
- edgemo I'm a Fan of edgemo 6 fans permalink

We have a system of elections commissions run by partisan appointment (the incumbents party does this). A system that could use a simple 'if you can mark an X' but instead is fraught with fraud and failure - some would say by design. The because the Framers of 200 year gone by didn't trust us, or really even each other, we have an electoral college that when born represented 4,000,000 people in 13 states whose people the Framers thought would simply vote for a native of their state, and therefore the most populous state would always send the winner to office. Times have changed, we haven't.

We could have either a proportional representation, or simple majority rules. We have neither.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:11 PM on 12/11/2008
- Ramirez I'm a Fan of Ramirez 295 fans permalink
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The fact that this race is so close and the recount so transparent is evidence that our system is in fact working just fine.

Just because one doesn't read of electoral problems in other countries does not mean they don't exist.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:46 PM on 12/11/2008
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