Shaun Donovan Named Secretary Of Department Of Housing And Urban Development By Obama

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PHILIP ELLIOTT and JIM KUHNHENN | December 13, 2008 05:29 PM EST | AP

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In this undated photo released through the City of New York's website is New York City's Department of Housing Preservation and Development Commissioner Shaun Donovan. President-elect Barack Obama on Saturday, Dec. 13, 2008, named Donovan to lead the Department of Housing and Urban Development, turning to a former Clinton administration aide with a national reputation for developing affordable housing. (AP Photo/City of New York)

CHICAGO — In naming his choice for housing secretary, President-elect Barack Obama on Saturday rounded out his economic team and gave new prominence to the mortgage crisis that has dragged the country into a recession.

The selection of Shaun Donovan as secretary of Housing and Urban Development puts the current New York City housing commissioner at the forefront of one of the more nettlesome economic challenges confronting the new administration _ the soaring foreclosures that are threatening homeownership nationwide.

The Federal Reserve estimates that lenders are on track to initiate 2.25 million foreclosures this year, more than doubling the annual pace before the crisis set in. What's more, falling housing values and a plunging stock market have contributed to $2.8 trillion in lost household wealth in the third quarter.

Donovan joins a team led by Tim Geithner, Obama's nominee for Treasury secretary, and Larry Summers, who will chair Obama's National Economic Council. Obama has his team working on an ambitious economic recovery plan that includes saving or creating 2.5 million jobs over the next two years.

Stemming foreclosures and stabilizing the battered housing market will be daunting tasks that have already bedeviled Congress and the Bush administration.

"We need to approach the old challenge of affordable housing with new energy, new ideas, and a new, efficient style of leadership," Obama said upon naming Donovan during his Saturday radio address. "We need to understand that the old ways of looking at our cities just won't do."

Donovan will inherit various tools to confront the problem. Obama wants to use the second half of a $700 billion financial industry rescue plan to help stem foreclosures. Congress this year also put in place a $300 billion program designed to let troubled homeowners swap risky loans for more affordable ones, though few have applied. Moreover, homeowners have continued to default on mortgages despite government efforts to lower interest rates and modify repayment terms.

With one in 10 U.S. homeowners delinquent on mortgage payments or in foreclosure, Obama said Donovan will bring "fresh thinking, unencumbered by old ideology and outdated ideas" at the Housing and Urban Development Department to help resolve the housing and economic crisis.

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Donovan, head of New York's Housing Preservation and Development Department, is a former Clinton administration HUD official with a national reputation for curtailing low-income foreclosures, developing affordable housing and managing the nation's largest housing plan.

"Mr. Donovan's background prepares him to address the extremely difficult challenges our country faces in helping Americans find affordable housing," said Sen. Christopher Dodd, D-Conn., chairman of the Senate Banking, Housing and Urban Affairs Committee.

If confirmed by the Senate, Donovan would become the nation's top housing official in the midst of the worst recession in decades. Falling home values and stricter lending standards have ensnared millions of U.S. households. More than 259,000 homes received a foreclosure-related notice in November, up 28 percent from a year earlier.

Conrad Egan, president of the nonpartisan National Housing Conference, said Obama's selection of Donovan signals that he recognizes HUD can play a big role in the economic recovery.

"It really needs to be a seat at the Cabinet table that is the principal point where housing and community development issues are brought together and resolved successfully," Egan said. "HUD has been perceived as a second-tier participant in meeting that challenge."

Obama's housing plans, as spelled out during his campaign and the current transition, include:

_Enacting a 90-day foreclosure moratorium for homeowners "who are acting in good faith."

_Getting Treasury and HUD to coordinate with state housing agencies to restructure mortgages.

_Reforming the bankruptcy code to help homeowners.

_Enacting a 10 percent refundable tax credit on mortgage interest.

"This plan will only work with a comprehensive, coordinated federal effort to make it a reality," Obama said. "We need every part of our government working together from the Treasury Department to the Federal Deposit Insurance Corporation, the agency that protects the money you've put in the bank."

Right now, the Bush administration's Treasury Department is resisting an effort by FDIC chairwoman Sheila Bair to use $24 billion in financial bailout funds to help 1.5 million borrowers avoid foreclosure by guaranteeing modified mortgages.

Donovan, a 42-year-old New York native, told the Senate Banking, Housing and Urban Affairs Committee in May that HUD's programs have led to "a feast-famine cycle, in which our program grows to the allowed size and then contracts so we don't go above our authorized level."

As New York Mayor Michael Bloomberg's top aide for housing, Donovan kept foreclosures to a minimum in the city's low- and moderate-income homeownership plan, with just five of 17,000 participating homes falling. He oversaw the creation of the $200 million New York Acquisition Fund, a collaboration involving the city, foundations and financial institutions. It is intended to help small developers and nonprofit groups compete for land in the private market.

"He has moved our focus beyond the old public sector driven solutions by giving the starring role to the private and nonprofit sectors," Bloomberg said Saturday. He said Donovan "has shown that we can do more with less _ especially in these difficult times."

Sheila Crowley, president of the National Low Income Housing Coalition, said Donovan "enjoys high regard across the spectrum of housing interests, from low income housing and homeless advocates, public officials, developers, and financiers alike."

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- bubbuh I'm a Fan of bubbuh 154 fans permalink
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Sounds like a good pick. He certainly has a heck of a set of challenges to face.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:39 PM on 12/13/2008
- lj9283 I'm a Fan of lj9283 67 fans permalink
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And what was Shaun Donovan doing last week before Mr. Obama named him to lead the Housing and Urban Development Department?

Well he was with Mayor Bloomberg, Community Organizers, and City Council Leaders, and a homeowner in floeclosure in the Bedford Stuyvesant section of Brooklyn where they were announcing $2.3 million in grants to 19 not-for-profit service providers to help homeowners at risk of mortgage foreclosure, and to get in front of foreclosure issues that the Federal Government has been slow to address.

And he knocked on doors in Ohio for the Obama campaign.

Comon, this is a friggin home run.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:33 PM on 12/13/2008
- vjoseph I'm a Fan of vjoseph 65 fans permalink
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Even better

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:46 PM on 12/13/2008
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I love it!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:22 PM on 12/13/2008
- NYNY I'm a Fan of NYNY permalink

Oh good! Another white male from Harvard in the cabinet. Just what the world needs. I guess this is what change (not) is all about.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:15 PM on 12/13/2008
- vjoseph I'm a Fan of vjoseph 65 fans permalink
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Oh good, another imbe.cile. This is definitely not the change I asked for

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:21 PM on 12/13/2008
- roshni I'm a Fan of roshni 182 fans permalink

Yes, let's complain about the lack of diversity........
Low IQ people are not represented in this cabinet.
What a shame!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:31 PM on 12/13/2008
- patwal I'm a Fan of patwal 6 fans permalink

Zing! hehehe

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:51 PM on 12/13/2008
- impik I'm a Fan of impik 19 fans permalink
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Oh, another funny person. So what if Obama builds the most diverse cabinet ever. Why let the fact destroy a stu/pid theory?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:43 PM on 12/13/2008
- HumeSkeptic I'm a Fan of HumeSkeptic 1626 fans permalink
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You must be a Joe the Plumber fan.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:50 PM on 12/13/2008

actually, thus far out of all of obama's cabinet picks, white men are definitely the minority.

energy: nancy sutley, lisa p. jackson, carol browner, steven chu
health care: tom daschle
economy: tim geithner, paul volcker, lawrence summers, christina romer, heather higginbottom, melody barnes
security advisor: james jones
UN: susan rice
commerce: bill richardson,
homeland security: janet napolitano
defense: gates
attorney gen: eric holder
sec of state: hillary
veteran's affairs: eric shinseki

get your facts straight.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:59 PM on 12/13/2008
- theone718 I'm a Fan of theone718 23 fans permalink
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6 white men, 9 women, 3 african americans, 2 asians, and one (soon to be more) hispanic. Not bad If I do say so myself. Looks like America to me.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:27 PM on 12/13/2008
- 4wehttam I'm a Fan of 4wehttam 14 fans permalink

Leave it to O not to appoint a stereotype in the particular post. I love that. I know minorities are picked for HUD for a reason, but honestly O always keeps us on our toes with his brilliance. Although I liked Mel Martinez, I think we really need someone forward "thinking." Great job as usual.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:06 PM on 12/13/2008
- vjoseph I'm a Fan of vjoseph 65 fans permalink
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Yep. I am seriously happy to see that

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:21 PM on 12/13/2008
- pc51 I'm a Fan of pc51 17 fans permalink
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OK - I get it, no mentioning anything "out of bounds" in this Obama "only positive comments allowed ECHO CHAMBER.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:57 PM on 12/13/2008

You should try it. Do you have any positive comments to post?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:02 PM on 12/13/2008
- bubbuh I'm a Fan of bubbuh 154 fans permalink
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Well, Donovan's hair is retro and therefore funny loking. How's that for your venom fix?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:46 PM on 12/13/2008
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LMAO!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:05 PM on 12/13/2008
- vjoseph I'm a Fan of vjoseph 65 fans permalink
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ROFL

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:23 PM on 12/13/2008
- Stilts9 I'm a Fan of Stilts9 49 fans permalink
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Another graduate from that cesspool of crime, corruption, and intellectual incest - Harvard.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:51 PM on 12/13/2008
- Petey131 I'm a Fan of Petey131 31 fans permalink

Seems your bitter because you were never accepted into a higher education university.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:55 PM on 12/13/2008
- Punkynsnow I'm a Fan of Punkynsnow 52 fans permalink
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either that or he's a victim of intellectual incest.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:00 PM on 12/13/2008
- k6007 I'm a Fan of k6007 236 fans permalink
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Only because all the graduates of oralrobert's university, are already employed by the gwb administration.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:00 PM on 12/13/2008
- hotstuff I'm a Fan of hotstuff 5 fans permalink

Ha Ha, a white dude, and you still complain! poor trolls can't seem to find much wrong w/Obama, keep trying!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:04 PM on 12/13/2008
- abigail1 I'm a Fan of abigail1 36 fans permalink

still mad you didn't get in?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:23 PM on 12/13/2008
- impik I'm a Fan of impik 19 fans permalink
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Heee. That's a good one.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:44 PM on 12/13/2008
- Stilts9 I'm a Fan of Stilts9 49 fans permalink
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The evidence that many Ivy Leaguers are not to bright trust-fund kids is piling up:

http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=newsarchive&sid=aVUE96d.HKyw

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:30 PM on 12/13/2008
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Yale is more the culprit right now.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:26 PM on 12/13/2008
- vjoseph I'm a Fan of vjoseph 65 fans permalink
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Yale should revise their admission regulations and refuse any C- students. Oh what the hell I am talking about ?! Its Yale, never mind

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:47 PM on 12/13/2008
- Punkynsnow I'm a Fan of Punkynsnow 52 fans permalink
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An unexpected but very smart choice.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:48 PM on 12/13/2008
- VOTER I'm a Fan of VOTER 186 fans permalink
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Agree.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:33 PM on 12/13/2008
- impik I'm a Fan of impik 19 fans permalink
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Obama can be one of the greatest presidents ever, he is got such a great vision. It pains me to think of all those prim.itives and igno.rants who will sab.otage him on a daily basis.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:37 PM on 12/13/2008
    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:52 PM on 12/13/2008
- fiorastar I'm a Fan of fiorastar 64 fans permalink
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They tried that during all the months of campaigning. He kept himself on higher ground the entire time, and THAT is one of the main reasons I think so many moved to his side. I believe he will be able to overcome the sabotage, though wouldn't it be great if the ones attacking him could truly put "country first" and help instead?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:03 PM on 12/13/2008
- roshni I'm a Fan of roshni 182 fans permalink

Just understand that their stated purpose is to criticize everything Obama does.
This is another great choice.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:25 PM on 12/13/2008

most americans support big O right now but please don't canonize, make him into a saint. He is a human being with many imperfections like the rest of us. We can support him by lessen some of the expectations.

I pray that he will be a good prez for the sake of the country. We need a good prez right now

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:05 PM on 12/13/2008
- pc51 I'm a Fan of pc51 17 fans permalink
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What? No big TV conference to introduce this guy like he has every other appointment so far? Why is Obama avoiding the spotlight all of the sudden? Uhmmmm.....

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:33 PM on 12/13/2008
- chitown8 I'm a Fan of chitown8 93 fans permalink
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One because it is not fair when he has to answer question regarding Blago when he is in motion to set up his team. I think when the media Fcuk him this will be how he get his message out to the people. Freedom of the press especially when you control the press..

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:37 PM on 12/13/2008
- vjoseph I'm a Fan of vjoseph 65 fans permalink
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Right on target

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:31 PM on 12/13/2008
- Grunty1 I'm a Fan of Grunty1 227 fans permalink

Because the media is stuck on stupid. He'll be back once they grow up.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:40 PM on 12/13/2008

Ditto

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:22 PM on 12/13/2008
- roshni I'm a Fan of roshni 182 fans permalink

Agree - it's going to turn into another Blago conference.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:42 PM on 12/13/2008
- vjoseph I'm a Fan of vjoseph 65 fans permalink
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As usual Grunty1, you make complete sense. That is what I was screaming at CNN this morning when they were making their dumb.ass comments about that fact

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:49 PM on 12/13/2008

nice comment. what is the difference between a wing nut and a cnn reporter right now concerning the blago thing? The wing nut is blinded by ideology so he can't tell the difference between fact and fiction, while the reporter is blinded by the scandal so he can't tell what is more important.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:10 PM on 12/13/2008
- lj9283 I'm a Fan of lj9283 67 fans permalink
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See vjoseph's comment below.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:41 PM on 12/13/2008
- vjoseph I'm a Fan of vjoseph 65 fans permalink
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The bite me one? Yeah, it does apply in this instance,

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:48 PM on 12/13/2008
- DJ23 I'm a Fan of DJ23 14 fans permalink
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pc51:
"What? No big TV conference to introduce this guy like he has every other appointment so far? Why is Obama avoiding the spotlight all of the sudden?"

Do you remember Desiree Rogers? Did she get TV conference introduction?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:52 PM on 12/13/2008
- Petey131 I'm a Fan of Petey131 31 fans permalink

Like if you really care. Go back to salivating for Palin, McCain and oh yes Joe the whatyoumightcallit.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:56 PM on 12/13/2008
- elcojonu I'm a Fan of elcojonu 28 fans permalink

An Architect in charge of Housing.
Now, why didn't someone think of that before ?
Barack, keep moving forward; keep your eyes on the mess you're been left(I feel sorry for what you're gonna have to deal with-little if any good news from any of the fronts).
Don't let the DISTRACTIONS and THE DISTRACTORS keep you from what must be done.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:21 PM on 12/13/2008

yep, don't mind the mindless reporters, they only want dirt

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:12 PM on 12/13/2008
- TrialDate I'm a Fan of TrialDate 5 fans permalink

do not pick anymore clinton old people...does anyone else has experience that you like Obama? tired of seeing clinton folks

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:14 PM on 12/13/2008
- kellygrrrl I'm a Fan of kellygrrrl 642 fans permalink
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has?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:15 PM on 12/13/2008
- vjoseph I'm a Fan of vjoseph 65 fans permalink
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Bite me

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:17 PM on 12/13/2008
- lj9283 I'm a Fan of lj9283 67 fans permalink
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He also worked for Mike Bloomberg too, you know...used to be a Republican, now an independent.....that Mayor in New York City....

And if you read below, this guy took time off from work last fall, went to Ohio with some friends, and knocked on doors to get votes for Obama!!

Now tell me that's not different.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:27 PM on 12/13/2008
- pc51 I'm a Fan of pc51 17 fans permalink
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Who else is left for Obama to pick - all of his former political "associates" have turned out to be crooks- not that Obama could have possibly ever in million years known about any of this ;D

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:40 PM on 12/13/2008
- NotMcCain I'm a Fan of NotMcCain 75 fans permalink
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Names? Which of Obama's close advisers are crooks?

I'm "sure" you are ready to back up smears with, you know, FACTS (links, too--I'm sure you have them)......

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:08 PM on 12/13/2008
- fiorastar I'm a Fan of fiorastar 64 fans permalink
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I don't think he's looking at it that way at all. He is looking pragmatically at who is the best available person to do what each job will need right now. Most with the kind of recent experience and knowledge that is needed were also employed in the Clinton years. Many of those are at the prime of their careers. Not all of them loved Clinton or his decisions, and not all of them will love Obama, but they will do their jobs and they will know who they work for.

Wasn't the one legitimate complaint about Obama that he didn't have enough experience? He's answering that one right now.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:08 PM on 12/13/2008
- vjoseph I'm a Fan of vjoseph 65 fans permalink
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Dude, you are making too much sense for the tro//s! Stop it! They might have to be put on suicide watch

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:51 PM on 12/13/2008
- iwantpie I'm a Fan of iwantpie 7 fans permalink

"Wasn't the one legitimate complaint about Obama that he didn't have enough experience?
He's answering that one right now."

Everyone is complaining because they were hoping PE Obama would fail at the Presidency and PE Obama keeps on proven they wrong both on the Left/Right. They underestimated how brilliant a man PE Obama is.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:07 PM on 12/13/2008
- NotMcCain I'm a Fan of NotMcCain 75 fans permalink
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I've never paid much attention to 80% of the Cabinet positions before.

But now that Bush & Co have destroyed America's infrastructure, each one seems so important.


Obama's "Team of Experts" will set a new standard of excellence for government, just as Bush & Co set a new low.....

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:13 PM on 12/13/2008
- kellygrrrl I'm a Fan of kellygrrrl 642 fans permalink
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Pre-W we barely even paid attention to the VP.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:17 PM on 12/13/2008
- elcojonu I'm a Fan of elcojonu 28 fans permalink

It started with Al Gore.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:23 PM on 12/13/2008
- vjoseph I'm a Fan of vjoseph 65 fans permalink
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We should have. We might have gotten a far better deal than W

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:25 PM on 12/13/2008
- Grunty1 I'm a Fan of Grunty1 227 fans permalink

Proof: Dan Quayle

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:33 PM on 12/13/2008
- Grunty1 I'm a Fan of Grunty1 227 fans permalink

Hell, the GOP was hope were still weren't paying attention this year.
See Sarah Palin.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:34 PM on 12/13/2008
- Punkynsnow I'm a Fan of Punkynsnow 52 fans permalink
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Ah Kelly, you must not be old enough to remember Spiro Agnew!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:49 PM on 12/13/2008
- pc51 I'm a Fan of pc51 17 fans permalink
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Yeah - "experts" have really done a great job of steering us over a cliff for the past three decades!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:42 PM on 12/13/2008
- patwal I'm a Fan of patwal 6 fans permalink

Well since you're clearly not an expert, why don't we ak PE Obama to appoint you as Head of ... ummm...something!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:28 PM on 12/13/2008
- vjoseph I'm a Fan of vjoseph 65 fans permalink
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BOOSH had experts?!!!! HUH?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:33 PM on 12/13/2008
- lj9283 I'm a Fan of lj9283 67 fans permalink
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Let's see, an architect, who has led successfully led an $7.5 billion affordable home building project, and who has been "hand-on" in remedying foreclosure issues.

So not only does this guy bring the housing market business acumen to the table, but as an architect he probably know how to accept or reject housing designs that would be environmentally and energy efficient and sustainable.

And Obama wants this guy to lead lead the Housing and Urban Development Department?

Sounds like cronyism to me, couldn't he find a guy who ran a horse farm to run HUD?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:11 PM on 12/13/2008
- vjoseph I'm a Fan of vjoseph 65 fans permalink
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LOL

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:17 PM on 12/13/2008
- patwal I'm a Fan of patwal 6 fans permalink

hahahaah

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:24 PM on 12/13/2008
- patwal I'm a Fan of patwal 6 fans permalink

Just had to "favorite" you for that :)

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:24 PM on 12/13/2008
- tigerakabj I'm a Fan of tigerakabj 87 fans permalink

LOL. I agree especially with what you said about his architectural background. I didn't think of that.

Once again, Obama shoots and scores.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:42 PM on 12/13/2008
- vjoseph I'm a Fan of vjoseph 65 fans permalink
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I am soooo glad Obama didn't go with Shirley Franklin, she SUCKS! She is a really bad mayor; Atlanta is practically broke because of her. Good on you Obama for not picking that loser

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:10 PM on 12/13/2008

Shirley Franklin is an great mayor. She and department heads took her eyes of the ball. I cannot understand how come there were no checks and balances in the Atlanta city government? Now they're playing catch-up and the people are the victims and have to pay for government screw ups. There are many mayors in the USA that are worse than S. Franklin.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:57 PM on 12/13/2008
- MsRy I'm a Fan of MsRy 2 fans permalink

So then wouldn't taking one's eye off the ball actually disqualify someone from being considered a great mayor? ie, losing track of the ball = bad mayor.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:18 PM on 12/13/2008
- vjoseph I'm a Fan of vjoseph 65 fans permalink
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You are contradicting yourself in one fell swoop. She is an horrible administrator, no matter how you try to paint it.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:35 PM on 12/13/2008
- 5150 I'm a Fan of 5150 3 fans permalink

Now we know the rising tide that lifts all ships is global warming.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:02 PM on 12/13/2008
- vjoseph I'm a Fan of vjoseph 65 fans permalink
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HUH?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:18 PM on 12/13/2008
- Punkynsnow I'm a Fan of Punkynsnow 52 fans permalink
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Dude, you must be on a different thread... either that or a different planet!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:52 PM on 12/13/2008
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