Arctic Ice Melt Of Over Two Trillion Tons Has Occurred Since 2003

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In this July 19, 2007 file photo, an iceberg melts off Ammassalik Island in Eastern Greenland. More than 2 trillion tons of land ice in Greenland, Antarctica and Alaska have melted since 2003, according to new NASA satellite data that show the latest signs of what scientists say is global warming. (AP Photo/John McConnico)

WASHINGTON — More than 2 trillion tons of land ice in Greenland, Antarctica and Alaska have melted since 2003, according to new NASA satellite data that show the latest signs of what scientists say is global warming.

More than half of the loss of landlocked ice in the past five years has occurred in Greenland, based on measurements of ice weight by NASA's GRACE satellite, said NASA geophysicist Scott Luthcke. The water melting from Greenland in the past five years would fill up about 11 Chesapeake Bays, he said, and the Greenland melt seems to be accelerating.

NASA scientists planned to present their findings Thursday at the American Geophysical Union conference in San Francisco. Luthcke said Greenland figures for the summer of 2008 aren't complete yet, but this year's ice loss, while still significant, won't be as severe as 2007.

The news was better for Alaska. After a precipitous drop in 2005, land ice increased slightly in 2008 because of large winter snowfalls, Luthcke said. Since 2003, when the NASA satellite started taking measurements, Alaska has lost 400 billion tons of land ice.

In assessing climate change, scientists generally look at several years to determine the overall trend.

Melting of land ice, unlike sea ice, increases sea levels very slightly. In the 1990s, Greenland didn't add to world sea level rise; now that island is adding about half a millimeter of sea level rise a year, NASA ice scientist Jay Zwally said in a telephone interview from the conference.

Between Greenland, Antarctica and Alaska, melting land ice has raised global sea levels about one-fifth of an inch in the past five years, Luthcke said. Sea levels also rise from water expanding as it warms.

Other research, being presented this week at the geophysical meeting point to more melting concerns from global warming, especially with sea ice.

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"It's not getting better; it's continuing to show strong signs of warming and amplification," Zwally said. "There's no reversal taking place."

Scientists studying sea ice will announce that parts of the Arctic north of Alaska were 9 to 10 degrees warmer this past fall, a strong early indication of what researchers call the Arctic amplification effect. That's when the Arctic warms faster than predicted, and warming there is accelerating faster than elsewhere on the globe.

As sea ice melts, the Arctic waters absorb more heat in the summer, having lost the reflective powers of vast packs of white ice. That absorbed heat is released into the air in the fall. That has led to autumn temperatures in the last several years that are six to 10 degrees warmer than they were in the 1980s, said research scientist Julienne Stroeve at the National Snow and Ice Data Center in Boulder, Colo.

That's a strong and early impact of global warming, she said.

"The pace of change is starting to outstrip our ability to keep up with it, in terms of our understanding of it," said Mark Serreze, senior scientist at the National Snow and Ice Data Center in Boulder, Colo., a co-author of the Arctic amplification study.

Two other studies coming out at the conference assess how Arctic thawing is releasing methane _ the second most potent greenhouse gas. One study shows that the loss of sea ice warms the water, which warms the permafrost on nearby land in Alaska, thus producing methane, Stroeve says.

A second study suggests even larger amounts of frozen methane are trapped in lakebeds and sea bottoms around Siberia and they are starting to bubble to the surface in some spots in alarming amounts, said Igor Semiletov, a professor at the University of Alaska in Fairbanks. In late summer, Semiletov found methane bubbling up from parts of the East Siberian Sea and Laptev Sea at levels that were 10 times higher than they were in the mid-1990s, he said based on a study this summer.

The amounts of methane in the region could dramatically increase global warming if they get released, he said.

That, Semiletov said, "should alarm people."

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MANKIND SUCKS!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:52 PM on 12/26/2008
- Exusian I'm a Fan of Exusian 25 fans permalink

It seems that the official period used to determine annual average global temperatures is December through November, as opposed to the January through December calendar year. That means that the last 10 years hasn't covered the 1998 El Nino, and the consequent anomalously high temperatures of 1998, for some time now. Which means that global warming/climate change denialists can no longer cherry pick 1998 to compare to 2008 and insist that the temperature trend is down over "the last 10 years."

Although it wasn't "down" in any case, because the length of time period needed to separate a long-term trend in climate from the year-to-year and longer variation in weather "noise" is commonly accepted as 30 years, but even using the denialists' too-short 10 year period it's more than clear that the trend is up, not down.
Here's what the trend for "the last ten years" now looks like:
http://www.woodfortrees.org/plot/uah/from:1999/plot/uah/from:1999/trend

[Thanks to bob at Open Mind]
http://tamino.wordpress.com/2008/12/17/2008-temperature-summaries-and-spin/

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:01 PM on 12/18/2008
- realpolitic I'm a Fan of realpolitic 149 fans permalink

But the graph is just showing temperature anomalies between years and not absolute temperatures, right? So while the difference in temperatures between 1997 and 1998 may have been the largest on record at 0.8, it would have little to do with the fact that temperatures are still rising, although this year was below the trend line. What I mean is that temperatures are still rising, but just rising by smaller increments then the large gap between 1997 and 1998 because of the strong el Nino in 1998 (although as you say the el Nino may no longer be included in the 1998 data). I mean, temperatures differences between a year and the prior year are different from absolute temperatures, correct? Therefore, we see a steady increase but perhaps by smaller increments and the occasional year below the trend line.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:41 AM on 12/19/2008
- Exusian I'm a Fan of Exusian 25 fans permalink

For those taking comfort in the fact that Summer 2008 Arctic sea ice melt failed to exceed than that of 2007, as measured by extent and area, it turns out that 2008 exceed 2007 in terms of minimum ice volume.

"Because ice was thinner in 2008, overall ice volume was less than that in any other year."
http://climateprogress.org/2008/12/17/world-meteorological-organization-wmo-press-release-arctic-ice/

And for those taking comfort in this year's refreeze:

"Ice growth slows; Arctic still warmer than usual"
http://nsidc.org/arcticseaicenews/

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:42 PM on 12/18/2008

Fox just came out with this nonsense.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,468084,00.html

I particularly like the guy who states he is a "scientist" who mistakenly thinks that placing ice cubes in a glass of water, measuring the level before and after they melt...is at all analagous to the melting of land ice and tundra and the contribution to the sea level.

This guy probably doesn't think the glacial melt at the end of the last ice age didn't raise sea levels a millimeter either. In fact, he likely doesn't believe that the ice ages happened since that would have to be before 4004 BC.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:43 AM on 12/18/2008
- realpolitic I'm a Fan of realpolitic 149 fans permalink

Fox news is Fox News. It is fiction.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:48 AM on 12/18/2008
- Exusian I'm a Fan of Exusian 25 fans permalink

I love it. Their emeritus professor "expert" (doesn't say what he taught before he retired) says this:

"When the Arctic Ocean ice melts, it never raises sea level because floating ice is floating ice, because it's displacing water," O'Brien said. "When the ice melts, sea level actually goes down.

"I call it a fourth grade science experiment. Take a glass, put some ice in it. Put water in it. Mark level where water is. Let it met. After the ice melts, the sea level didn't go up in your glass of water. It's called the Archimedes Principle."

And then he gets his own fourth grade science experiment wrong.
He fails to take into account that arctic ice contains less salt than the seawater it is floating in, making it less dense, so that when it melts it actually does raise sea level:
http://www.nsidc.org/news/press/20050801_floatingice.html

Fox News: we lie, hoping you won't notice.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:05 AM on 12/18/2008
- Exusian I'm a Fan of Exusian 25 fans permalink

Way down thread timmy said:
"I said the IPCC thought the rise from thermal expansion would be only about 23 inches"

Try reading for comprehension timmy.

If you had you might not have missed this bulleted text just below the chart that you quoted.

"Models used to date do not include uncertainties in climate-carbon cycle feedback nor do they include the full effects of changes in ice sheet flow, because a basis in published literature is lacking. The projections include a contribution due to increased ice flow from Greenland and Antarctica at the rates observed for 1993-2003, but these flow rates could increase or decrease in the future.

Oh look, the IPCC figures include both thermal expansion *and* ice melt.

You were saying?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:00 PM on 12/17/2008
- realpolitic I'm a Fan of realpolitic 149 fans permalink

TimmySlagle, was never one known to read for comprehension. He reads moreso for ideology. He probably thought the story of "Goldilocks and The Three Bears" contains some hidden message that socialists are going to take over America.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:47 AM on 12/18/2008
- Exusian I'm a Fan of Exusian 25 fans permalink

Hey timmy, this paper actually quantifies the possible contributions to sea level rise from ice melt for this century and therefore supersedes the IPCC estimate:

http://www.sciencemag.org/cgi/content/abstract/321/5894/1340

Science 5 September 2008:
Vol. 321. no. 5894, pp. 1340 - 1343
DOI: 10.1126/sc­ience.1159­099

Kinematic Constraints on Glacier Contributions to 21st-Century Sea-Level Rise
W. T. Pfeffer, J. T. Harper, S. O'Neel

On the basis of climate modeling and analogies with past conditions, the potential for multimeter increases in sea level by the end of the 21st century has been proposed. We consider glaciological conditions required for large sea-level rise to occur by 2100 and conclude that increases in excess of 2 meters are physically untenable. We find that a total sea-level rise of about 2 meters by 2100 could occur under physically possible glaciological conditions but only if all variables are quickly accelerated to extremely high limits. More plausible but still accelerated conditions lead to total sea-level rise by 2100 of about 0.8 meter. These roughly constrained scenarios provide a "most likely" starting point for refinements in sea-level forecasts that include ice flow dynamics.
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The good news is they limit the upper bound to 2 meters (78 inches), but the lower bound of .8 meters (31.2 inches) is still greater than the IPCC figure.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:07 AM on 12/18/2008

A recent study, no shocker to real climatologists (but perhaps to climate doomsayers), demonstrates simple physics. It appears in the latest SciencExpress, and it shows that the vast majority of the Antarctic landmass is rapidly gaining ice and snow cover.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:28 PM on 12/17/2008

I'll counter your unnamed and probably nonexistent study with a 2 year old rebuttal:

http://gristmill.grist.org/story/2006/11/4/211834/644

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:27 PM on 12/17/2008
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The sky is falling, the sky is falling! Save us Al Gore!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:47 AM on 12/17/2008
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Hey what happened to Fumes?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:09 PM on 12/17/2008
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still here onevoice, thanks. still not impressed with co2, but still respectful of those that are.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:55 AM on 12/18/2008
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"Hey what happened to Fumes?"

Must have dissipated into the upper atmosphere. I hope it doesn't exacerbate the greenhouse effect.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:45 PM on 12/17/2008
- realpolitic I'm a Fan of realpolitic 149 fans permalink

Great quote!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:41 AM on 12/18/2008
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ha ha good one shock

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:32 PM on 12/18/2008
- realpolitic I'm a Fan of realpolitic 149 fans permalink

Fumes, if you liked Al Gore any better would that make you suddenly accept warming theory? I doubt it, my friend!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:43 AM on 12/18/2008
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say rp, you've been punked, that's not me! fumes2= woodywest = my very own personal troll lol. he's a religious right winger.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:52 AM on 12/18/2008
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Changes 'amplify Arctic warming'
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/science/nature/7786910.stm

"Scientists say they now have unambiguous evidence that the warming in the Arctic is accelerating. (...) The Arctic is really the air conditioner of the Northern Hemisphere, and as you lose that sea ice you change that air conditioner; and the rest of the system has to respond.

"You start affecting the temperature gradient between the Arctic and equator which affects atmospheric patterns and precipitation patterns. ""
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This is one of the most important results. We are waaaaaay into uncharted territory now. There were a couple of research articles in the last few months who claimed we actually passed the tipping point for the Arctic. Greenland will be next.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:44 AM on 12/17/2008
- realpolitic I'm a Fan of realpolitic 149 fans permalink

TimmySlagle and a few other conservatives would have been the only ones buying stock in horse and buggy companies when the automobile was developed!

Timmy, is global warming a religion or are all climate scientists part of some global warming socialist conspiracy to redistribute wealth? Or perhaps warming will be better for us anyways?

What is the argument among deniers this week? Your multiple arguments are tripping over one another! Rush Limbaugh must be issuing multiple marching orders!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:34 AM on 12/17/2008
- shockmagog I'm a Fan of shockmagog 137 fans permalink
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He's "issuing" orders out of his a55 in staccato blasts faster than they can be inhaled by his acolytes.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:48 PM on 12/17/2008
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Yes, and he is doing it from an undisclosed location alongside Dick Cheney.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:41 AM on 12/18/2008

and what is bush trying to do before leaving office? increase that number. so sad.
http://www.vagabondstory.com

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:07 PM on 12/16/2008
- research I'm a Fan of research 257 fans permalink

I normally stay out of the humans are warming the planet argument, because of the intense heat and simultaneous complete lack of light.

Unfortunately we have the GOP conservatives Lying deceiving projecting and distracting as is the pattern.

The GOP has poisoned all rational discourse.

Even so, We libs must defend our arguments with facts and an open mind.

Some basic facts most people agree with:

We are nearing the end of the latest interglacial that started about 14,000 year ago.

The average interglacial is about 10 k years, with 100k years of deadly ice age.

The end of every interglacial has followed the same pattern rising temperatures and rising CO2.

We have had these 100k year ice ages cycles for about 3M years. Before that it was 5 or more degrees hotter and the CO2 was higher.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ice_age

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:21 PM on 12/16/2008

Yes, climate change is natural when it happens over 10,000 year time scales. We're causing the same sort of changes to happen 100 times faster.

When you increase something 100 times, it doesn't mean that it's just more, it actually changes the very nature of the thing. Get an inch of rain and the grass grows, get 10 inches and you have local flooding, get 100 inches and you need Noah's Ark.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:57 PM on 12/16/2008
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No, We are not causing it to happen 100 times faster. We do not have the capability to measure such fine distinctions.

All we know is: Temp and CO2 went up in every other end of the interglacial

Please go look at the link. It's good background. .

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:21 PM on 12/16/2008
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Eat less meat and more fruits since meat is the #1 cause of global warming. Spread the truth!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:14 PM on 12/16/2008
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You want TRUTH?

Nobody want's truth. Outlawing Meat and Cheese would be politically unpopular, and the Alarmists don't want that.

It's not really about the Climate, it's a Global Redistribution Scheme.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:39 PM on 12/16/2008
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reduce does not equal "outlaw" .

Try analog instead of binary.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:11 PM on 12/16/2008
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If that wasn't all of our troubles apparently this melting of the polar ice caps is apparently a potential bonanza for more oil and thus more than likely fighting over who owns what in the region....

Geesh....

We're rats fighting each other in a sinking ship....

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:27 PM on 12/16/2008
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If I remember correctly, the last paper I read on sea level rise determined that it would not exceed 3 meters by 2100.

So talking about the IPCC's estimate of less than a meter is truly pointless. They understated sea level rise because the science indicating greater sea level rise up to their cutoff for publication lacked the degree of confidence they required for inclusion. Science does not stand still. Less than a meter of sea level rise by 2100 appears unlikely.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:54 PM on 12/16/2008

The Conservative History of Global Warming- A Primer

"There is no global warming."
"Maybe the climate is changing but it has always been changing."
"The climate is changing but not because of human activity."
The climate is changing but the cost of doing something is unacceptable".
"The climate is changing due to human activity, but this will have many positive results."
"The climate change is devastating, but this is no time to point fingers of blame."
"This devastation is the fault of liberals and tree-huggers."

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:46 PM on 12/16/2008
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You are 100% right on.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:15 PM on 12/16/2008
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Leftist History of Global Warming:

The Earth Is Cooling, and we're all going to die if we don't pass a massive restructure of Government.

The Earth Is Warming, and we're all going to die if we don't pass a massive restructure of Government.

The Climate is Changing, and we're going to die if we don't pass a massive restructure of Government.

We don't know what's going to happen, but we're going to die if we don't pass a massive restructure of Government.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:37 PM on 12/16/2008

Timmy,
Thank you for pointing out that I missed an emerging stage of the Conservative History of Global Warming:

"There is no global warning, it is just a fraud concocted by liberals who want to restructure government".

I'm not sure where it falls chronologically, but as it became popular after Obama got elected, perhaps it belongs right before the "positive results" position.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:22 PM on 12/16/2008
- realpolitic I'm a Fan of realpolitic 149 fans permalink

Slagle, I thought it was conservative Newt Gingrich who wanted a massive redistribution of government? Didn't he want to get rid of the Department of Energy, the Commerce Department, and the Department of Education?

Now all the socialist scientists who want a "massive redistribution scheme" back Newt Gingrich's plan to reduce government?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:33 AM on 12/17/2008
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