Rick Warren, Obama Invocation Choice, Causing First Real Rift With Progressives

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December 17, 2008 05:44 PM

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Ever since Barack Obama was elected president, the media has been pining to write a story about liberal dissatisfaction with his transition efforts. By and large, the meme has been blown out of proportion, as the press overestimated how divisive Obama's cabinet choices were for progressives.

The press may now have its conflict moment. And it comes in the form of the spiritual leader chosen to launch Obama's inauguration.

On Wednesday, the transition team and Joint Congressional Committee on Inaugural Ceremonies announced that Rick Warren, pastor of the powerful Saddleback Church, would give the invocation on January 20th. The selection may not have been incredibly surprising. Obama and Warren are reportedly close -- Obama praised the Megachurch leader in his second book "The Audacity of Hope." Warren, meanwhile, hosted a values forum between Obama and McCain during the general election. Nevertheless, the announcement is being greeted with deep skepticism in progressive religious and political circles.

"My blood pressure is really high right now," said Rev. Chuck Currie, minister at Parkrose Community United Church of Christ in Portland, Oregon. "Rick Warren does some really good stuff and there are some areas that I have admired his ability to build bridges between evangelicals and mainline religious and political figures... but he is also very established in the religious right and his position on social issues like gay rights, stem cell research and women's rights are all out of the mainstream and are very much opposed to the progressive agenda that Obama ran on. I think that he is very much the wrong person to put on the stage with the president that day."

Warren does have a rather peculiar relationship with the incoming president. The two share a general ethos that political differences should not serve as impediments to progress. On topics like AIDS and poverty relief, they see eye-to-eye. But Warren's domestic and social agendas are at odds with Obama's. And for the gay and lesbian community in particular, the choice is a bitter pill to swallow.

"Pastor Warren, while enjoying a reputation as a moderate based on his affable personality and his church's engagement on issues like AIDS in Africa, has said that the real difference between James Dobson and himself is one of tone rather than substance," read a statement from People For the American Way President Kathryn Kolbert. "He has repeated the Religious Right's big lie that supporters of equality for gay Americans are out to silence pastors. He has called Christians who advance a social gospel Marxists. He is adamantly opposed to women having a legal right to choose an abortion."

"Picking Rick Warren to give THE invocation," wrote John Aravosis on AmericaBlog, "is abominable."

"Let me get right to the point," Joe Solomnese, the president of the Human Rights Campaign, said in a harsh letter to the president-elect, "Your invitation to Reverend Rick Warren to deliver the invocation at your inauguration is a genuine blow to LGBT Americans."

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Added Rev. Candace Chellew-Hodge, author of the book: "Bulletproof Faith: A Spiritual Survival Guide for Gay and Lesbian Christians": "It is almost like he wants to poke the progressives with a sharp stick."

Indeed, Chellew-Hodge and others see the move as motivated by politics, not religion or policy. They offer several explanations in this vein. Obama has his eye on the evangelical vote (young white evangelicals voted for Obama at twice the rate for John Kerry); he is charting a path that isn't at its heart socially or religiously progressive (Chellew-Hodge noted that Warren recently said same-sex couples deserve equal rights, though not the right to marriage, a position at least superficially similar to Obama's). Mainly, however, the argument is that the Warren choice falls under the president-elect's stated objective of building a big tent government.

"I can't read the transition team's mind," said Dan Nejfelt, a spokesman for the group, Faith In Public Life, "but my guess here is that they're crafting an inauguration meant to appeal to voters who voted against Obama as well as his supporters."

Indeed, lost in the hubbub about Warren, is the fact that the man tasked with overseeing the benediction is a icon within progressive politics. Rev. Joe Lowery, a hero of the civil rights movement and co-founder of the Southern Christian Leadership Conference with Martin Luther King famously called out President George W. Bush during Coretta Scott King's funeral. He also is a supporter of same-sex marriage. But he is not garnering the same attention as Warren for his inauguration role.

It's vintage Obama, several observers say -- bringing the spectrum of the religious/political experience together for one event. And yet, it is also a big source of frustration for progressive leaders, many of whom aren't interested in legitimizing viewpoints antithetical to their message.

"I think there is probably an actual friendship between the two, and I admire that because Barack Obama has an ability to be friends with people he disagrees with, and that is a good quality for a president," said Rev. Currie. "But I think that he is very much the wrong person to put on the stage with the president that day. It sends a very wrong message about who America is and what our aspirations are."

Requests for a comment from the Obama transition team went un-returned.

Ever since Barack Obama was elected president, the media has been pining to write a story about liberal dissatisfaction with his transition efforts. By and large, the meme has been blown out of propor...
Ever since Barack Obama was elected president, the media has been pining to write a story about liberal dissatisfaction with his transition efforts. By and large, the meme has been blown out of propor...
 
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- ccv I'm a Fan of ccv permalink

As an Obama supporter this choice is especially offensive to me. Yes he has to govern all of the people, but to sell out to the evangelists by including in a very special day a man like Rick Warren certainly tarnishes the day. Its ok for Rick Warren to have anti-gay, anti-abortion views, that is his right. What is disturbing is the fact that he takes his beliefs even further by calling gays pedophiles and promoters of incest, it is also disturbing that he bans gays from his church. He is prejudicial and exclusionary and this should not be supported in our society let alone rewarded by having a role in this very important inauguration day.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:04 AM on 12/28/2008
- Hope Lives I'm a Fan of Hope Lives 14 fans permalink

It's not just gay people who are offended. Something I heard a woman say on TV explains how I feel about the Rick Warren Choice. She said that she finally got up the courage to tell her family that an uncle abused her and she was mortified to find that he was invited to the next family gathering.

I worked for Obama for months... maybe 200 hours... door to door. I adored he and his family and I felt overwhelming pride when he was elected. I am not African American or gay and I believe that we are all the same.

The fundamentalist, evangelical church has destroyed my extended family. I have been told I will never see heaven because I am a Presbyterian and don't believe in the rapture. I am hated and ignored by them and will never know my neices and nephews. This Rick Warren spews hate. It is one thing to be inclusive but like the woman who was abused by her uncle, some things cannot be tolerated. Warren's beliefs have caused unbelievable suffering to thousands of innocent people. Think of other people in history who cause this kind of suffering and intolerance. Which of them would be included on a day like this? Now I can't even watch the inauguration. All I would do is cry.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:42 PM on 12/27/2008
- rpmcestmoi I'm a Fan of rpmcestmoi 6 fans permalink

I am so tired of this frigging controversy that is not controversial at all. The president elect has done a splendid job of selecting people to help him govern and he chose a figure to do the prayer thing, obligatory but dumb in my view, given the record of the result of prayer, who is a social progressive in a very anti-progressive community, who late and reluctantly (I wasn't even aware of his view on 8) and now the folks are pouncing on this as if it were selling out to Bush and Cheney.

Get real.

This guy is erecting a big tent to GOVERN!!!!

Scream bloody murder if you wish but it would be better to chill and work to see substantive change unrelated to the narrow "Oh, my god, so to speak, he thinks being gay is sinful!" nonsense.

Get with the gd program and get us on the road to ful equality without this rant.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:34 PM on 12/24/2008
- drspears I'm a Fan of drspears 2 fans permalink

Great choice Obama! Like you, Warren is a good man. Gays should welcome both Warren and Obama - they both support equal rights for all people.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:08 AM on 12/23/2008

I took the time to watched several Rick Warren speeches and interviews and found him to be more than a little thick. I can understand having a misguided impression of people you don't really know anything about, I've been guilty of that myself in the past, but to actually have gay friends and eat dinner at gay couple's homes and get to know them and still compare their lifestyle to the evils of pedophilia takes a special kind of ignorance.

I understand Obama when he says he disagrees with Warren on this issue but if Obama truly supports equality for gays he had better do something to prove it and fast.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:55 PM on 12/22/2008
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Here is the best letter yet from FFRF to Obama regarding Warren and Inauguration prayer: http://ffrf.org/news/2008/obama_warren.pdf

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:58 PM on 12/22/2008

So many people are so misinformed about who Rick Warren really is. He's a typical evangelical pastor on some social issues...but he's also developed one of the largest Christian followings in America on the back of a unique brand of faith that looks to embrace similarities instead of highlighting differences, mostly rejects the major infighting about doctrine, and finds ways that people can work together to accomplish great things by focusing on shared goals.

He's actually very similar to Obama in some ways. They disagree on GLBT and abortion issues. Both men are committed to working in a post-partisan way to make this country a better place. Rick Warren BELONGS at this inauguration, as evidence of the new way of things and as a way to bring mainstream Christians into the fold.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:29 PM on 12/21/2008

Steve,
I've been saying what you just said for the past days on this thread but a majority on here are ready to disown Obama before he even takes office.
We just worked our backs off to elect this man because we want not Progressive policies....I could care less who he prays with or plays golf with. I'll reserve judgement on Obama when it comes time for him to appoint judges and act on issues like climate change and infrastructural investment.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:20 PM on 12/21/2008

Correction>>>>...we just worked our backs off to elect this man because we want progressive policies....

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:29 PM on 12/21/2008
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Here's a question:

Anyone here think Rick Warren is a closet-case?

[AMAZON RAISES HAND]

Obama may end up suffering from the fall-out when Warren is Ted-Haggarded. Not only did Obama showcase Warren--a b.igot pushing for denying GLBTs (and women) equal rights under the law--but Warren is himself gay, raising the question: How much did Obama vet Warren? How could this be such a surprise to him?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:11 PM on 12/21/2008
- BN2112 I'm a Fan of BN2112 55 fans permalink
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YES--I suggested this on an earlier comment that Huffpo refused to run.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:16 PM on 12/21/2008
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It's so obvious. How can his followers be so blind?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:18 PM on 12/21/2008
- helenwheels I'm a Fan of helenwheels 506 fans permalink
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It wouldn't surprise me. Most homophobes are indeed closeted gays, aren't they?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:52 PM on 12/21/2008
- XCITIZEN I'm a Fan of XCITIZEN 56 fans permalink
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Yeah, my gaydar went off. He looks like one of those repressed, vicious, self-important queens that finds his way into the upper eschelons of orgs and corporations by playing everything straight - who denies he's gay out of both sides of his mouth.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:44 PM on 12/21/2008

Oh come on!!! I am an ordained minister in a progressive mainline church, and while I don't agree with Warren's views on LGBT and same-sex marriage, I have been a part of his ministry to AIDS victims. You guys are totally off the mark here. He is NOT gay (not that there is anything wrong with that, to quote Jerry Seinfeld). Nor is he anything like Ted Haggard. How do I know? My brother is gay, and I think my "gaydar" is pretty sharp.

That being said, I think Obama could have picked someone better to lead the invocation (Rt. Rev. Schiori would have been an interesting choice). But lets not fall to the neocon strategy of spreading lies, slander, and outright hatred. Next thing you know, you'll be accusing Warren of being a "secret Muslim."

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:46 AM on 12/22/2008

Only naive partisans are outraged by the Warren choice. As an Independent Progressive, I support Barack Obama because he has long promised to be a pragmatist leader at a time when virtually nothing or nobody in government is actually 'working' to create positive change in our lives.
As an Independent Progressive, I don't owe Obama anything and neither does he. I understand that not every decision he makes would make me jump and sing but I have to accept him as the best possible alternative.
African Americans have long supported the Democratic party not because Democrats have NEVER betrayed their issues, but because Republicans have NEVER welcomed their opinions.
As such, the GLBT community must learn to accept Obama as their most powerful ally in Washington despite the Warren choice. They should remember that if George Bush had his way, there would be a federal amendment which redefined marriage as the union between a man and a woman.
So to all my GLBT friends, please choose your allies and enemies wisely....Barack Obama is an ally not a foe.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:59 PM on 12/21/2008
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1) WHEN have the Democrats, since the Civil Rights bill was passed by Congress, EVER "betray" African-Americans on "their issues"?

2) When have Democrats EVER featured in a place of honor at the inauguration of a Democratic president, a b.igot who has strongly supported with funding and voice a proposition to deny African-Americans equal rights under the law?

3) When have Democrats EVER featured a b.igot at a Dem president's inauguration who forbids a minority group the right to attend his church?

5) Do you believe African-Americans "must" learn to accept a president who embraces a b.igot who doesn't think they should join his organization and who worked for and funded a proposition to deny African-Americans their civil rights?

6) If a Dem president featuerd at his inauguration David Duke and the K.lan, would you consider that president an ally or a foe of A-A's?

7) Obama has proven he's very much like Bush Jr. In answer to the cries of outraged from the minority groups Obama has betrayed, he was every bit as arrogant as Bush Jr ever was, basically saying that it was HIS administration and he will do what he lies.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:27 PM on 12/21/2008

Point well taken but I continue to plead with you and many other progressives not to give Warren more credibility than he deserves. He's only going to have his 3mins of fame, while we'll have four years of progressive policies including securing fully equal rights for GLBT individuals. I feel your pain but I hope we can enjoy all of our successes on Jan 20th.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:59 PM on 12/21/2008
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Bottom line: Rick Warren will not be making social policy. Ever. In the Obama admin.

If Rick Warren steps foot again in DC to be any sort of advisor to Obama, there will be a full-scale revolt by progressives and liberals. Obama will then become a one-term President.

Guaranteed.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:31 PM on 12/21/2008
- prostock69 I'm a Fan of prostock69 21 fans permalink

Exactly. It would be political suicide and he's not about to do that.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:49 PM on 12/21/2008
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There's nothing quite like the unifying power of religion.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:21 PM on 12/21/2008

You said it!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:37 PM on 12/21/2008
- helenwheels I'm a Fan of helenwheels 506 fans permalink
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LOL.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:55 PM on 12/21/2008
- Alex02139 I'm a Fan of Alex02139 8 fans permalink

"Change is a slogan we can deceive with" is Obama's message through his choice of Warren (and Geithner, Summers, Gates, Jones, etc.) Why didn't Obamajevich invite a White Supremacist to his inaugural, in the spirit of inclusion?

The vanity of Barack Obama has no limits, he is a flimsy fraud.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:43 PM on 12/21/2008

I love it when Republicans can hide under the 'gay outrage' umbrella just to take cheap shots at Obama. Speaking of shots, have you had yours, today ?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:49 PM on 12/21/2008
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Don, I'm not familiar with Alex as a poster. Do you know he/she is a Republican?

If you are assuming that he/she is a GOPer because of its post, that is a really a BIG assumption. I know many liberals/p­rogressive­s who are voicing this very same thing.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:34 PM on 12/21/2008

The inaugural invocation is being given by a minister that will not allow a gay person to become a member of his church. Such policy does not translate to inclusiveness, but it does translate to blatant discrimination. Such policies, and the people that implement them, should not be tolerated now...during the inauguration...or ever - PERIOD, END OF SENTENCE.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:42 PM on 12/21/2008
- BN2112 I'm a Fan of BN2112 55 fans permalink
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Exactly! And rejecting the intolerant and hate-filled is NOT hypocrisy.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:48 PM on 12/21/2008

By The Way... I'm still a HUGE Obama supporter - I think he will do great things for this country, but regarding him choosing Rick Warren, I feel he must be held accountable.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:03 PM on 12/21/2008
- BN2112 I'm a Fan of BN2112 55 fans permalink
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Yes--he must be held accountable just as Bush should, but wasn't, held accountable. As far as being a supporter, not any more for me. But for the best interests of the country I wish him the greatest success in his presidency.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:13 PM on 12/21/2008
- BN2112 I'm a Fan of BN2112 55 fans permalink
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There appear to be two schools of Obama supporters here. One who thinks he walks on water and refuse to critically scrutinize anything he says or does and the other who are willing to hold him accountable. Giving a platform to a man who has condemned millions of Americans as subhuman scum of the earth either by their inability to believe in mythology as reality or by their sexual orientation is NOT simply reaching across the aisle, it's a sell out. I don't see him reaching out to David Duke--and don't try to trivialize that comparison. Hate is hate no matter who it's directed at or from.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:25 PM on 12/21/2008
- PaxMundis I'm a Fan of PaxMundis 13 fans permalink

My point is that when it comes to people who actually have an influence in policy matters, if Obama picks a conservative we're told "it's his choice, but him some slack." When he chooses a conservative for a completely symbolic role, people go nuts. Yes, I find that hypocritical.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:36 PM on 12/21/2008
- BN2112 I'm a Fan of BN2112 55 fans permalink
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What guarantee do we have that Warren won't have Obama's ear when it comes to policy? All we have to go on is Obama's willingness to parade this charlatan out at his inauguration and that doesn't bode well. It seems Obama is willing to cozy up to almost any cretin with a podium and wielding a Bible just to over-compensate for the whole Muslim/Hussein thing.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:10 PM on 12/21/2008
- BN2112 I'm a Fan of BN2112 55 fans permalink
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Well HuffPo is busy censoring my first reply. However when you're throwing out the hypocrite accusation did it occur to you that many of us haven't been too happy with many of these conservative appointments either, but the Rick Warren thing was the straw that broke the camel's back?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:15 PM on 12/21/2008
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It would be hypocrisy if the two Obama choices were of equal importance.

Working to fulfill Obama's vision for policies is one thing.

Working to, and succeeding in, overturning the Constituion/BOR's provision for equal rights for all people under the law is something far more serious.

The symbolic role of Warren will carry much more importance because he will be part of the inauguration showcasing Obama's vision for America. That Warren not only successfully worked to take away rights from GLBTs, but is active in segregation as well, is a profound statement of inequality for all. If that's Obama's vision, we best set about getting him out of office ASAP.

Out of curiosity, if Obama had David Duke and the K.lan featured in the inauguration, would that be "just symbolic," as well?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:43 PM on 12/21/2008
- helenwheels I'm a Fan of helenwheels 506 fans permalink
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Yeah, and where's Fred Phelps' invitation??

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:57 PM on 12/21/2008
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