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Obama Economic Stimulus Could Be $850 Billion Over Two Years

JIM KUHNHENN | December 18, 2008 12:04 PM EST | AP

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President-elect Barack Obama speaks during a news conference in Chicago, Wednesday, Dec. 17, 2008. After consulting with economists Obama's advisers are contemplating an economic recovery plan that could cost as much as $1 trillion over two years. (AP Photo)

WASHINGTON — President-elect Barack Obama is laying the groundwork for a giant economic stimulus package, possibly $850 billion over two years, in his first test of legislative give and take with Congress.

Obama's economic advisers are assembling a recovery plan and reaching out to members of Congress and their staffs.

Obama aides cautioned that they have not settled on a specific grand total. But they noted that economists from across the political spectrum have recommended spending similar or even larger amounts to jolt the worsening economy.

Despite the uncertainty, Obama got help Thursday from 20 progressive groups investing more than $4 million in advertising and other events to push moderate Democratic and Republican lawmakers to help pass the package. Whatever the details, the package should be on the new president's desk, ready for him to sign, the day he takes office on Jan. 20, members of the group said in a conference call.

"The main goal of this campaign is to avoid a filibuster in the Senate," said Brad Woodhouse, president of Americans United for Change.

House Speaker Nancy Pelosi, D-Calif., this week said Democrats were preparing their own recovery bill in the range of $600 billion, blending immediate steps to counter the slumping economy with longer-term federal spending that encompasses Obama's plan.

Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid, D-Nev., said Wednesday that Obama has indicated that Congress will get his recovery recommendations by the first of the year.

"He's going to get that to us very quickly, and so we would hope within the first 10 days to two weeks that he's in office, that is after Jan. 20, that we could pass the stimulus plan," Reid said. "We want to do it very quickly."

Obama's aides have said they hope to work with Republicans in writing the bill, particularly in the Senate, where the GOP could slow action if it chooses to. Woodhouse said the progressive groups are focusing on such Republican senators as Arlen Specter of Pennsylvania, Mel Martinez of Florida, Lisa Murkowski of Alaska, Charles Grassely of Iowa, George Voinovich of Ohio, Richard Lugar of Indiana and John Thune of South Dakota.

The package is expected to contain sweeteners for lawmakers of both parties.

Obama's plan would feature spending on roads and other infrastructure projects, making government buildings energy-efficient, building and renovating schools and adopting environmentally friendly technologies.

There also would be some form of tax relief, according to the Obama team, which is aware of the political difficulty of pushing such a large package through Congress, even in a time of recession. Any tax cuts would be aimed at middle- and lower-income taxpayers, and aides have said there would be no tax increases for wealthy Americans.

While some economists consulted by Obama's team recommended spending of up to $1 trillion over two years, a more likely figure seems to be $850 billion. There is concern that a package that looks too large could worry financial markets, and the incoming economic team also wants to signal fiscal restraint.

In addition to spending on roads, bridges and similar construction projects, Obama is expected to seek additional funds for numerous programs that experience increased demand when joblessness rises, one Democratic official said.

Among those programs are food stamps and other nutrition programs, health insurance, unemployment insurance and job training programs.

Obama advisers, including Christina Romer and Lawrence Summers, have been contacting economists in search of advice as they assemble a spending plan that would meet Obama's goal of preserving or creating 2.5 million jobs over two years.

Among those whose opinions Obama sought were Lawrence B. Lindsey, a top economic adviser to President George W. Bush during his first term, and Harvard professor Martin Feldstein, an informal adviser to John McCain and chairman of the Council of Economic Advisers under President Ronald Reagan.

Feldstein recommended a $400 billion investment in one year, Obama aides said, and Lindsey said the package should be in the range of $800 billion to $1 trillion. The aides revealed the discussions on condition of anonymity because no decisions had been reached.

"I do recommend $400 billion in year one and expect a similar amount in year two," Feldstein said in an e-mail. "The right amount depends on how it is used."

Obama aides also pointed to recommendations by Mark Zandi, the lead economist at Moody's Economy.com and an informal McCain adviser who has been proposing a $600 billion plan.

"I would err on the side of making it larger than making it smaller," Zandi said in an interview. "The size of the plan depends on the forecast _ the economic outlook _ and that is darkening by the day."

"Even a trillion is not inconceivable," he said.

Only one outside economist contacted by Obama aides, Harvard's Greg Mankiw, who served on Bush's Council of Economic Advisers, voiced skepticism about the need for an economic stimulus, transition officials said.

In February, Congress passed an economic stimulus bill costing $168 billion and featuring $600 tax rebates for most individual taxpayers and tax breaks for businesses. The upcoming effort would dwarf that earlier measure as well as a $61 billion stimulus bill the House passed just before adjourning for the elections. That measure died after a Bush veto threat and GOP opposition in the Senate.

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Associated Press writers David Espo and Erica Werner contributed to this report.

WASHINGTON — President-elect Barack Obama is laying the groundwork for a giant economic stimulus package, possibly $850 billion over two years, in his first test of legislative give and take wit...
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11:54 AM on 12/29/2008
I feel that a stimulus check should be sent out for each individual that filed their taxes the previous year. I think the stimulus check should be for at least $10,000, and only the individuals who filed their taxes get that amount. I do not feel that anyone should receive money for every dependent (child), except for an individual who is married; they should receive $5,000 for their spouse. I have children myself, and I do not feel that I should receive money for each child, unless we get a small stimulus check. In some homes, there is only one person who works outside the home, but for individuals that remain home, that is their job to take care of the home or children. I feel that $10,000 would help many individuals, especially with some of their debts. Another $1000 or even $2,000, would only fix a situation for short time (that month). On average, people owe approximately $20,000-$25,000 in debt. I really prefer that much for each individual, and if people did not spend their money wisely, than that would be their fault. However people decide to spend their money, it would help boost the economy by either paying banks back (mortgages or credit cards), shopping at department stores, buying a new car, or investing in the stock market.
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Peter007
06:23 PM on 12/20/2008
800 billion. Thats about $2,833 per person or about $7,000 per 2.5 member household.
I'd rather have the $3,000 cash in my pocket. The rest of you can hope it trickles down to you from the special interest groups.
03:47 PM on 12/21/2008
Better than giving it to the banksters.
06:06 PM on 12/21/2008
If we "gave" it out to individuals, IT would be a loan.

Better for the gov to retrofit all buildings with efficiency wind and solar as appropriate.
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GravitonX
10^300 bosons could care less.
05:36 PM on 12/27/2008
Solar energy is almost completely impractical anywhere outside the southwest. Wind is also unreliable. Nuclear is the way to go.
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PhilipTaylor
Legalized Bribery is an Oxymoron - must END
03:50 AM on 12/20/2008
WHERE IS SHEILA BAIR?

Barney Frank said recently:

"I think part of the problem now, to be honest, is Sheila Bair has annoyed the 'old boys' club,'" Frank said today. "To some extent, bank regulation and mortgage foreclosure have made a situation where we have several regulators up in the tree house with a 'no girls allowed' sign -- and it's aimed at Sheila Bair - - who's been really good."

Is Geithner against helping homeowners fight foreclosures? He may be too Paulson-ish!
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PhilipTaylor
Legalized Bribery is an Oxymoron - must END
03:37 AM on 12/20/2008
What has happened to Sheila Bair after Geithner attacked her?

Still no mortgage Bailout and Ms. Bair has disappeared!
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William1950
everything I say could be wrong
11:55 PM on 12/18/2008
legislators should be paid the median income of their respective states... their retirement should be social security, and they should get health care from their local clinic.

on a serious note... dump the IRS... put in place a flat tax of 10% on all income over $25,000 with NO deductions and NO exemptions.
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vippy
Carpe Diem!
09:47 AM on 12/19/2008
Why do it the easy way when we can have a difficult way is the mantra of the politicians!
They don't want a fair tax, they would not be able to hide their money. Now since congress is rich
they make the laws that are good for them. Don't look for any changes there. We should have
voted for Ron Paul who proposed this!
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tyger
08:00 PM on 12/18/2008
This is the time for new businesses in America. Anyone who has a decent idea should get to work. Technology and innovation will give us a decent economy again
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tyger
07:55 PM on 12/18/2008
Well hell, they bailed out everyone else why not the people for a change!
07:48 PM on 12/18/2008
The sad fact of the matter, IMHO, is that Congress caught a rare reflection and the amount of egg on its collective face has caused them to stampede into a profligate frenzy of throwing money at as many entities as possible. Indeed, the situation is sooo bad that even ordinary Americans are being included - to an extent. Notice there is no talk about bailing out anyone's 401K losses or depleted home value, or maintaining the value of one's buck. Just the banks get those sort of perks. Surely, some funds must be used to "jumpstart" the economy. One wonders whether they are going to be usefully addressed or just thrown out there for image-making, and if any of the so-called experts has a clue.
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vippy
Carpe Diem!
09:50 AM on 12/19/2008
Again, they rescue their interests. 80% of the people were against the bailout of AIG and GOLDMAN and they did not listen. We still don't know how much they received and what is even
more curious is the fact they did not hold AIG and Goldman to the same standards as they did
the car industry. Why? I suspect their personal interest is involved. Just like with the credit card
revision they had just passed, nothing for the people again but protecting the banks and then
Barney Franks claims that he had a lot of opposition from the banks, well DUH, yes, easy money,
why would they not protest?
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treetracker
07:17 PM on 12/18/2008
If the Republicans block this vote in the Senate, then we'd better be prepared to take to the streets in protest.
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motoGpifupleez
watching with amusement
07:09 PM on 12/18/2008
Bring it on! As long as the printing press is running and we can threaten our creditors with nukes if they ever try to collect, let the party go on.
07:03 PM on 12/18/2008
I voted for Obama, but this is all bass-ackwards.

We don't need more massive deficit spending. We need massive cuts in the Military Empire.

Our military-industrial spending is killing us, it's utterly wasteful, and it pisses off the world.

God dammit, can't anybody in government figure this out?
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GravitonX
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06:46 PM on 12/18/2008
"President-elect Barack Obama is laying the groundwork for a giant economic stimulus package, possibly $850 billion over two years, in his first test of legislative give and take with Congress."

Only $850 billion over 2 years! You must be joking. It needs to be at least 1.5-2 trillion a YEAR! At least! Citibank alone has $300 billion in toxic debt. You'd be better off doing nothing.

Obama needs to fire his entire economic staff and maybe himself, and put Paul Krugman in place, if he thinks a measly $850 billion OVER TWO YEARS is going to save the economy!

Obama, please don't be afraid of the "T" (trillion) word. You're going to tippy-toe us straight into Depression.
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vjoseph
07:08 PM on 12/18/2008
Yeah, ok, which part of its an estimate you didn't get?
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GravitonX
10^300 bosons could care less.
08:54 PM on 12/18/2008
The part that estimates that a dozen is about 3 eggs.
06:32 PM on 12/18/2008
Ron Apul warned you about these guys, they are destroying your dollar. So did Kucinich. Too bad you have to cote for Banker owned candidates.
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vjoseph
07:07 PM on 12/18/2008
LOL, whatever
09:28 PM on 12/18/2008
I was typing real fast so here it is again. RON PAUL warned you (laughing idiot) about these guys, they are going to destroy your dollar. Kucinich has been warning you as well so its too bad that you had to vote for a banker owned candidate and YOU DID.
Mildmannered
"Be excellent to each other"
05:45 PM on 12/18/2008
we need to invest in science and technology or we will fall even further behind. See http://www.portfolio.com/views/columns/natural-selection/2008/10/08/Finding-Funding-for-Science
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04:29 PM on 12/18/2008
We have a huge task ahead repairing the damage the party that wrecked America dropped on everyone's heads that's obvious.