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First Posted: 12-19-08 11:40 AM   |   Updated: 01-19-09 05:12 AM

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Rep. Barney Frank (D-MA), one of only three openly gay members of the House of Representatives, released a statement harshly criticizing Barack Obama's decision to have Rev. Rick Warren deliver the invocation at his inauguration:

"I am very disappointed by President-elect Barack Obama's decision to honor Reverend Rick Warren with a prominent role in his inauguration. Religious leaders obviously have every right to speak out in opposition to anti-discrimination measures, even in the degrading terms that Rev. Warren has used with regard to same-sex marriage. But that does not confer upon them the right to a place of honor in the inauguration ceremony of a president whose stated commitment to LGBT rights won him the strong support of the great majority of those who support that cause.


"It is irrelevant that Rev. Warren invited Senator Obama to address his congregation, since he extended an equal invitation to Senator McCain. Furthermore, the President-Elect has not simply invited Rev. Warren to give a speech as part of a series in which various views are presented. The selection of a member of the clergy to occupy this uniquely elevated position has always been considered a mark of respect and approval by those who are being inaugurated."

And Joe Solmonese, the president of Human Rights Watch, wrote in the Washington Post Friday about his own disappointment:

It is difficult to comprehend how our president-elect, who has been so spot on in nearly every political move and gesture, could fail to grasp the symbolism of inviting an anti-gay theologian to deliver his inaugural invocation. And the Obama campaign's response to the anger about this decision? Hey, we're also bringing a gay marching band. You know how the gays love a parade.


Yes, the Rev. Rick Warren, pastor of the humongous, evangelical Saddleback Church in Orange County, Calif., has a sound message on poverty. And certainly, in the world of politics, there is a view that Barack Obama owes Warren for bringing him before fellow evangelicals, despite fierce opposition during the heat of the presidential campaign.

But here's the other thing about Warren, the author of the bestselling book "The Purpose Driven Life": He was a general in the campaign to pass California's Proposition 8, which dissolved the legal marriage rights of loving, committed same-sex couples.

For that reason, inviting Warren to set the tone at the dawn of this new presidency sends a chilling message to lesbian, gay, bisexual and transgender Americans. It makes us uncertain about this exciting, young president-elect who has said repeatedly that we are part of his America, too.

Rep. Barney Frank (D-MA), one of only three openly gay members of the House of Representatives, released a statement harshly criticizing Barack Obama's decision to have Rev. Rick Warren deliver the in...
Rep. Barney Frank (D-MA), one of only three openly gay members of the House of Representatives, released a statement harshly criticizing Barack Obama's decision to have Rev. Rick Warren deliver the in...
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Dear Mr. President-Elect,

I agree with embracing a diversity of ideas. I agree with inclusiveness. I agree that you can "disagree without being disagreeable." But, Sir, how is equating my 23 year relationship with incest, polygamy, and pedophilia not "disagreeable?" Let me try to make you understand how VULGAR and DEHUMANIZING these comments are to me. If Mr. Warren had compared the inter-racial union of your parents to incest, polygamy, and pedophilia, and then went on to lead a movement to outlaw their right to marry, would you glibly call that a "disagreement" and invite him to pray at your inauguration ceremony?

Thank you for reconsidering.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:41 PM on 12/19/2008

Is that what Warren said about gay marriage? I thought he just quoted scripture. If he did say that fill those of us in who didn't hear it.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:00 PM on 12/19/2008
- raye1 I'm a Fan of raye1 25 fans permalink
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Warren is a true homophobe! But.....what has Barack been saying all along, we need to learn to get along with one another and try to be respectful.

I do not agree with what he said as far as trying to compare gay marriage/partnerships with incest and pedophillies! That is straight up ignorant and totally goes against everything Christ had tried to teach us!

But love thy neighbor as thy self is a good thing to practice at this time in our history. Especially after the tragedy that has been in effect during the long 8 years of the bush administration!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:07 PM on 12/19/2008

Just search for his name on youtube.com. You can watch his smiling face as his mouth forms the words that liken our relationships with those things.

Why did you think we were upset?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:10 PM on 12/19/2008
- Kiel I'm a Fan of Kiel 6 fans permalink
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It is. go to rachel maddows show for the clip

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/26315908/

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:10 PM on 12/19/2008
- lizziekw I'm a Fan of lizziekw 39 fans permalink

Just one of many appalling quotes from Pastor Rick:

"I'm opposed to having a brother and sister being together and calling that marriage. I'm opposed to an older guy marrying a child and calling that marriage. I'm opposed to one guy having multiple wives and calling that marriage."

BELIEFNET: Do you think those are equivalent to gays getting married?

"Oh , I do"

http://blog.beliefnet.com/stevenwaldman/2008/12/rick-warrens-controversial-com.html

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:12 PM on 12/19/2008
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here you go, harriettubman:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cdeub37MGBc&feature=related

---a cnn debate that begins with warren's statements comparing gays/gay marriage to pedophiles and incest, and then a nice little debate with the panelists....

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:14 PM on 12/19/2008
- Kiel I'm a Fan of Kiel 6 fans permalink
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So succinct. So to the point.

kudos and much love

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:12 PM on 12/19/2008
- wendy31 I'm a Fan of wendy31 4 fans permalink

HOORAY! Well put.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:30 PM on 12/19/2008

I'm embarrassed and disappointed you are a Democrat. Gosh I cannot stand this man. I hate his lisp. It's the worst I have ever heard. I must admit, I loved watching Bill O Reilly yell at him. It was very enlightening. As a matter of fact, I'm about to watch it online. (Smile)

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:41 PM on 12/19/2008
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You hate his LISP? Do you also hate Governor Patterson's visual impairment? Or Obama's big ears? Or Senator Byrd's palsy? Do you also like to see people yell at them because you hate their physical condition of which they have no control??? Is this all of your argument for not being able to stand this man ... or did you forget to include the substance of your outrage?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:54 PM on 12/19/2008
- wendy31 I'm a Fan of wendy31 4 fans permalink

grow up.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:33 PM on 12/19/2008
- Kiel I'm a Fan of Kiel 6 fans permalink
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I am all for constructive conversation. And letting out your homophobia is important for the dialogue. But you post is just insults. You're a silly man.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:37 PM on 12/19/2008
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Why is who does an invocation such a big deal--- I heard that at the democratic convention/ there was a clergyman who was a heavy hitter with the republican party== really partisan-- he managed an invocation after really being tied to the hip with the bushies-- this did not bother the dems--- then== so why the hulabolu now?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:40 PM on 12/19/2008
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I agree, Barney - I'm one of the "B" people in the LGBT rainbow and I worked like a mule and truly sacrificed for the Obama campaign - in spite of being an elder-middleaged disabled woman. Warren sends a cold chill down my back - what does this invocation choice mean to YOUNG LGBT kids who had begun to have hope of a new direction - and now find that the spiritual 'blessing' and call to the nation is being made by a backward-looking anti-gay rightwing 'Christian' fundamentalist? There are SO MANY BETTER CHOICES!!!

Our LGBT youth are struggling against genocide in this country - believe it - hate crimes and in-school bullying lead to school dropouts and suicides at a much higher number than for straight kids over all.

What if one of the Obama girls grows up to be bi or lesbian?!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! HUH?!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:39 PM on 12/19/2008
- hollybork I'm a Fan of hollybork 66 fans permalink

Barney Frank, you are right. The ceremonial prayer is an "honor." But I say Rick Warren is not the person to pray for all the American people who will be served by this Presidency. I am saddened that Rick the anti gay warrior was chosen. His habit of gay bashing reflects his mind and heart are not where they should be to set the most ethical, the most Christ like example.

I am not gay, but I do not think holy people concern themselves with condemnig such things as how people love. In my experience, anyway, they spend their time contemplating the transcendent - how to act in such a way as not to harm any living thing, what prayer is, what the qualities of God are, and the mystery of how evil can exist in the world when God, the world's creator, is only holy and good.

I would prefer that anyone espousing wisdom and holiness from a public platform have the modesty and the common sense to keep their discourse on God and his qualities, which is the universal subject, to confine their moral confrontations with abuses of power and institutionalized injustice, and to keep their personal preoccupations with other people's sexual practices, faults and follies out of the spotlight.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:39 PM on 12/19/2008

In a well calculated move Obama is using Rick Warren as a catalyst to create a vigorous debate about equal rights for gays and lesbians, including the right to marry. The inauguration is a day after MLK day. What a historic moment it will be in our civil rights movement to have Rev. Joseph Lowrey, an ardent supporter of marriage rights for same-sex couples, deliver a passionate benediction calling for full equal rights for all Americans. America is moving past the days when it was accepted to refer to gays and lesbians as pedophiles and criminals. It is time for us to respect one another's beliefs but at the same time not impose those beliefs on others at the expense of their constitutionally protected civil liberties. We are at a monumental tipping point. The next few years are going to be a golden moment for gay rights and rights for all Americans.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:37 PM on 12/19/2008
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Maybe those who disagree with Warren's participation should just applaud through his entire prayer, clapping breaks up bad energy.

Gays and Lesbians felt important during Obama's campaign, even if he doesn't "believe" in gay marriage.

I was excited to watch the inauguration. Not so much, now, but I'm trying to buck up.

I was excited by the CHANGE IS COMING HOUSE PARTY that I attended. Kinda low now.

I don't feel angry or betrayed or outraged, just disregarded by an event where it only makes sense that every goddamn detail should reflect inclusiveness without intolerance. As for all the nasty comments against gays, how sad.

For just one widely televised and heavily attended hour in Washington, the sensible thing would have been to select participants who aren't so immediately and clearly objectionable.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:36 PM on 12/19/2008
- wendy31 I'm a Fan of wendy31 4 fans permalink

I like your idea of clapping. Let's get that going.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:34 PM on 12/19/2008

At the risk of repeating myself. I agree that Warren is not the person any of us would like to see at the inaugration. But alot of us esp. the gay community is making this too personal. I am an atheist and i'm pretty sure there is not going to be anyone representing atheists any time soon. Rick Warren is almost everything i despise. He is against gay rights, abortion and also believes and probably hopes that my a** is going to burn in hell.
I believe a lot of us are overreacting. IF WE DISCRIMINATE AGANIST THE LIKES OF WARREN, THEN WE RISK ACTING EXACTLY LIKE WARREN, i.e INTOLERANT AND DISCRIMINATING BAST*RDS!
WARREN IS NOT GOING TO BE SETTING POLICY IN WASHINGTON, AND NEITHER HAS OBAMA NAMED HIM SECRETARY OF ANYTHING! HE IS JUST GOING TO SAY SOME STUPID PRAYER THAT MOST OF US ON THIS BLOG THINK IS STUPID ANYWAY. SO EVERYBODY CHILL!!!!!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:34 PM on 12/19/2008
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Thank you sooo much for your comments thegeniesez!!!! I am so sick of us Liberals thinking that Barack is only OUR PRESIDENT!! He is the POTUS!

He is also leading by example, truth be told. If we want to be able to participate in the process when the Rethugs take office again, then we need to show them what true inter-party cooperation looks like! Obama said he would do things we don't always agree with, but we voted for him, so its about time we trust his judgement!

It seems to me that our LGBTG communities are forgetting that Barack has just nominated the first OPENLY GAY, BLACK WOMAN to EVER hold a position in ANY ADMINISTRATION ! He is also on course to nominate an openly GAY male to become the Secretary of the Navy! Come On People!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:49 PM on 12/19/2008
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So what, he should have not invited Warren to do the invocation-this was a stupid move on Obamas part, period.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:07 PM on 12/19/2008

Joe Solmonese is the President of the Human Rights Campaign, not the Human Rights Watch.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:29 PM on 12/19/2008
- lizziekw I'm a Fan of lizziekw 39 fans permalink

Ooh, thanks! I'll make sure I send my check to the right organization.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:42 PM on 12/19/2008
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I'm glad many of you are showing your true colors. We can all stop the pretense. This is homophobia. I couldn't call it out until y'all showed your cards.

There has yet to be a genuine argument against our rage. It was all a cover.

In the immortal words of our president

"Bring it on"

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:23 PM on 12/19/2008

Good lawd. Can someone find these people a new word? I'm sick and tired of hearing homophobia, homophobia, homophobia every time someone offers a different damn opinion.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:47 PM on 12/19/2008
- lizziekw I'm a Fan of lizziekw 39 fans permalink

Yes, it's clearly homophobia and it's appalling. As a straight woman I can't begin to know how that makes you feel but I feel for you anyway.

Just remember - not all Democrats are homophobes. Some of us even understand and believe in loyalty. You were there for us on choice and a host of other issues that matter to Democrats. Not all of us will abandon you when you so need and deserve our support. Serious people in the Democratic Party are with you on equal citizenship for gay Americans.

You have friends.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:51 PM on 12/19/2008

Will you be as zealous in pursuing my right as a Muslim to enter into a plural marriage with more than one wife, all consenting adults of sound mind and body? What about the Conservative Mormons and Ultra-Orthodox Jews? What if two consenting adult who just happen to be blood relatives want to marry? Since this is all about Warren's view on homosexual marriage those questions aught to be fair game as well? Your rage? Please! Where was your rage when Rev. Wright was savaged for his scathing but historically well contexted remarks? Why wouldn't America be damned for: Wounded Knee, Hiroshima & Nagasaki, Tuskeegee Experiment, MK Ultra, My Lai, 400 years of chattel slavery, legalized lynching? But your rage is more righteous than anyone's else? As in my other post: Pres.-elect Obama will be President of all American's regardless of their rage or lack thereof. Just because your simple homosexual sensibilites are hurt, yeah right! What about rage for the slaughter of over 60,000 Iraqi's and the needless death of 4000+ American'sand the maiming of some 20,000 others? Now there is some rage for your ass!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:08 PM on 12/19/2008
- txgal44 I'm a Fan of txgal44 3 fans permalink

I love what you just said. Somebody had to. Broaden your minds people. It's not all about what you want.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:17 PM on 12/19/2008
- wendy31 I'm a Fan of wendy31 4 fans permalink

Totally agree. I am a straight woman and I've been discussing with my husband this idea. What they call "being a good christian" we call homophobia. Grow up people. Look in the mirror. You are scared of an entire group(s) of people because they are being themselves- which has NOTHING TO DO with you. You can "feel" being gay is "wrong" all you want, but you can't act on that. Your rights end where another persons begin. And you may have your opinions, but they don't matter outside of your head. Leave the rest of us out of your mind f***, crazies. Full equality for all now. No exceptions, no passes, and NO WARREN or others like him. I worked hard for BO and I am disappointed.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:40 PM on 12/19/2008

"It is irrelevant that Rev. Warren invited Senator Obama to address his congregation, since he extended an equal invitation to Senator McCain."

Does Congressman Frank understand that this is a reference to a separate, earlier Obama appearance at Saddleback, for which invitation Warren was widely and hotly condemned by right wing nuts, and that this has nothing to do with the joint appearance with McCain this year? Of course the joint Obama-McCain appearance is irrelevant to this discussion; it's the earlier Obama speech that mattered. And back then, McCain wasn't an equivalent to Obama, since it was long before the campaign and certainly long before either one became a nominee.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:22 PM on 12/19/2008
- lizziekw I'm a Fan of lizziekw 39 fans permalink

Barney Frank is much smarter than you. And much smarter than me too, for that matter.

He knows exactly what he's talking about and there were no mistakes in his statement.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:29 PM on 12/19/2008
- wendy31 I'm a Fan of wendy31 4 fans permalink

agreed.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:50 PM on 12/19/2008
- txgal44 I'm a Fan of txgal44 3 fans permalink

Barney Frank needs to chill. You too.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:18 PM on 12/19/2008

with you on this amazing days.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:26 PM on 12/19/2008
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What's bad about this is Frank is a very petty and vindictive man. He will play political games to block legislation from Obama because his feelings got hurt. And many of you will lash out with angry responses, but you know it's true.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:19 PM on 12/19/2008
- lizziekw I'm a Fan of lizziekw 39 fans permalink

Sweetie, you clearly don't know the first thing about Barney Frank.

Yes, he is angry about this and speaking out - as well he should be!

He is also an experienced, very senior, highly respected and effective member of the House. He will be working his gay tushy off to get Obama's legislation passed. The President will love him for it and be grateful to him, just as we all will when we enjoy those victories for America.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:25 PM on 12/19/2008
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You are a dear. And so beautifully true. Thank you.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:30 PM on 12/19/2008
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i don't think calling someone "sweetie" helps someone hear your argument.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:36 PM on 12/19/2008
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Hey "broad", I'm not your "sweetie".

That being said, you clearly don't know the first thing about politics other than to root for the person on your "team". Even his comments of the past 2 months (or 3 weeks) reveal a very impulsive, unprofessional and petty demeanor incapable of restraint or objective thought that doesn't have his own self-interest at the forefront. Too often he realizes this late and has to come back to clean up the mess his mouth has made. He's a blowhard that loves attention as much as his earmarks.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:36 PM on 12/19/2008
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What's wrong with "Sweetie" ? You guys are weird.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:43 PM on 12/19/2008
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Unfortunately rob, it seems that some of us, including Frank, are not only petty and vindictive ourselves, but want a petty and vindictive President in Barack Obama. I like Barney Frank generally, but as is true of human nature, we often look for others to reflect in their character the smallness that is in our character ... and it seems that this is what so many are looking for in PE Obama. Instead of seeking to be like him, we want him to be like us, and instead of trying to see and relate to the world through his lens, we want him to see and relate to the the world through ours.

Change is going to be an even bigger challenge for PE Obama than even he imagined, simply because so many of us, including many Democrats - in fact, especially many Democrats - don't understand what he means by it.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:39 PM on 12/19/2008

and there you have it. Great post StillIRise.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:27 PM on 12/19/2008
- txgal44 I'm a Fan of txgal44 3 fans permalink

Thank you so much.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:19 PM on 12/19/2008

It is sad that Congressman Frank is letting his sexual orientation blind him to the many aspects of Pastor Warren that are laudable. I have, as of yet, to meet anyone that has a 100% pure vision regarding morality and the law, certainly I regard Pastor Warren's view as incorrect, but that is all. I also see him as a strong messenger for progressive Christians, focusing on efforts to alleviate the terrors of AIDS and poverty both here and abroad. I also have read his books which reach out to lift us up, to encourage the growth of our spiritual awareness and commitment to the real core of Christianity, all of which makes me a more progressive, active and dedicated person.....Prehaps Barney could do with some of that...

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:18 PM on 12/19/2008
- lizziekw I'm a Fan of lizziekw 39 fans permalink

Your spin is laughable and your "advice" to Representative Frank is presumptuous, condescending and weak. Warren is actively anti-choice and actively anti-science, as well as actively working against equal citizenship for gay Americans.

There is no redemption for Rick Warren among people who care about the core principles of the Democratic Party. None.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:28 PM on 12/19/2008
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Barney! Barney!! Barney!!!! How many times did I just call you? If I hear you say one more word, I will take you to the speech therapist to have you sorted out.

Barney Frank has been a part of the economic mess we find ourselves today and here he his more interested in his lifestyle than the economy.

Shut the f*#K up Barney!!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:10 PM on 12/19/2008
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Speech therapist? Lisps are sexy!

You however, could use a therapist.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:24 PM on 12/19/2008

ROFL

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:42 PM on 12/19/2008
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Who...needs the therapist? Are you in a glass house right now?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:53 PM on 12/19/2008
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Let the guy do his job of running the country.
Will all you arrogant, "the world owes us everything" gay/lesbian shmucks shut your traps and go back indoors please and quit making a nuisance of yourselves.
What a pathetic bunch of morons - and I'm a liberal minded person, just for the record.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:04 PM on 12/19/2008
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well it's not just gays and lesbians. in all fairness....democrats in general don't like warren. and don't forget the right is just as angry.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:06 PM on 12/19/2008
- lizziekw I'm a Fan of lizziekw 39 fans permalink

I'm not gay and I'm furious about Warren being honored at our inaugural celebration.

Warren is actively ANTI-CHOICE and ANTI-SCIENCE. Do Democrats on Huffpo not care about those issues anymore either?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:10 PM on 12/19/2008
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I'm a Democrat ... I don't agree with Warren ... I empathize with the gay/lesbian community ... and when Warren delivers his 2-3 minute prayer, I'll probably find something to do in the kitchen for a few minutes as I tune him out, and then fall back into my excitement about the inauguration itself and await the powerful spiritual message that I know Reverend Lowery will give in the benediction, closing the ceremony in a momentous way that will be remembered long after America and the world have forgotten that Warren was even there! I'm not angry with Obama at all. I understand what he is doing and what he will continue to try to do as the leader of our nation and of ALL Americans, even those with whom he disagrees and those who disagree with him. I do not want Obama to see the world through my small muddled lens; I seek to see the world through the lens he is looking through.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:26 PM on 12/19/2008
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You may think you're a liberal minded person, but you sure are a name-caller a la Republicans: "arrogant," "schmucks," "pathetic," "morons."

At least you're not alone...

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:17 PM on 12/19/2008
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WE WILL NOT GO BACK INTO THE CLOSET!

WE WILL NOT BE SILENCED!

Thank you for showing your true colors. The gloves are off.

NO JUSTICE NO PEACE!!!!!!!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:20 PM on 12/19/2008
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Your attitude towards gays is clearly not liberal. You are certainly entitled to your opinion about gays, but you are fully incorrect to label such views as "liberal".

If, however, you actually understood liberal thinking, you would understand that it is NOT just gays who support gay rights, but it is liberals in general who support gay rights. And, slowly but surely, you find more and more centrists and even some conservatives who support gay rights.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:23 PM on 12/19/2008

Let's be clear, the only so called right in question here is the right to make a civil claim vis-a-vis marriage. Not a big deal right? Oh I know there is Lovey v. Virginia (1967). But in fact the (several) States still claim jusrisdiction over the sanction of marriages. For instance, no matter how consenting a Muslim, Conservative Mormon, or Ultra-Orthodox Jew cannot legally have more than one wife. As A Muslim I feel my right to freedom of religion is therby circumscribed. But the State claims a compelling interest in forbiding plural marriages as well as Incest regardless of consent. On the other hand the (several) States uphold all other Constitutionally supported and enumerated right regardless of race, gender, national origin, or sexual orientation. And Pres.-elect Obama has been clear in his support of all (other) rights for all Americans. I personally don't support "gay rights" or "Black rights" or "White rights". I support equal human rights and equal protection of the law for all human beings within the context of their national soverieignty and socio-cultural traditions.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:21 PM on 12/19/2008
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What you are is clear by your comment.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:25 PM on 12/19/2008
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