United Nations: First Gay Rights Declaration Wins Much Support, United States Opposes It

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DAVID CRARY | December 19, 2008 12:08 AM EST | AP

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UNITED NATIONS — Alone among major Western nations, the United States has refused to sign a declaration presented Thursday at the United Nations calling for worldwide decriminalization of homosexuality.

In all, 66 of the U.N.'s 192 member countries signed the nonbinding declaration _ which backers called a historic step to push the General Assembly to deal more forthrightly with any-gay discrimination. More than 70 U.N. members outlaw homosexuality, and in several of them homosexual acts can be punished by execution.

Co-sponsored by France and the Netherlands, the declaration was signed by all 27 European Union members, as well as Japan, Australia, Mexico and three dozen other countries. There was broad opposition from Muslim nations, and the United States refused to sign, indicating that some parts of the declaration raised legal questions that needed further review.

"It's disappointing," said Rama Yade, France's human rights minister, of the U.S. position _ which she described as in contradiction with America's long tradition as a defender of human rights.

According to some of the declaration's backers, U.S. officials expressed concern in private talks that some parts of the declaration might be problematic in committing the federal government on matters that fall under state jurisdiction. In numerous states, landlords and private employers are allowed to discriminate on the basis of sexual orientation; on the federal level, gays are not allowed to serve openly in the military.

Carolyn Vadino, a spokeswoman for the U.S. mission to the U.N., stressed that the United States _ despite its unwillingness to sign _ condemned any human rights violations related to sexual orientation.

Gay rights activists nonetheless were angered by the U.S. position.

"It's an appalling stance _ to not join with other countries that are standing up and calling for decriminalization of homosexuality," said Paula Ettelbrick, executive director of the International Gay and Lesbian Human Rights Commission.

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She expressed hope that the U.S. position might change after President-elect Barack Obama takes office in January.

Also denouncing the U.S. stance was Richard Grenell, who until two months ago had been the chief spokesman for the U.S. mission to the U.N.

"It is ridiculous to suggest that there are legal reasons why we can't support this resolution _ common sense says we should be the leader in making sure other governments are granting more freedoms for their people, not less," said Grenell, who described himself as a gay Republican. "The U.S. lack of support on this issue only dims our once bright beacon of hope and freedom for those who are persecuted and oppressed."

More than 50 countries opposed to the declaration, including members of the Organization of the Islamic Conference, issued a joint statement Thursday criticizing the initiative as an unwarranted attempt to give special prominence to gays and lesbians. The statement suggested that protecting sexual orientation could lead to "the social normalization and possibly the legalization of deplorable acts" such as pedophilia and incest.

The declaration also has been opposed by the Vatican, a stance which prompted a protest in Rome earlier this month.

A Vatican spokesman, the Rev. Federico Lombardi, said the Roman Catholic Church opposed the death penalty and other harsh repression of gays and lesbians, but he expressed concern that the declaration would be used as pressure against those who believe marriage rights should not be extended to gays.

A new Vatican statement, issued Thursday, endorsed the call to end criminal penalties against gays, but said that overall the declaration "gives rise to uncertainty in the law and challenges existing human norms."

The European nations backing the declaration waged their campaign in conjunction with the 60th anniversary of the Universal Declaration of Human Rights.

The Dutch foreign affairs minister, Maxime Verhagen, said countries that endorsed that 1948 document had no right to carve out exceptions based on religion or culture that allowed discrimination against gays.

"Human rights apply to all people in all places at all times," he said. "I will not accept any excuse."

He acknowledged that the new declaration had only symbolic import, but said it marked the first time such a large number of nations had raised the cause of gay rights in the context of General Assembly proceedings.

"This statement aims to make debate commonplace," he said. "It is not meant to be a source of division, but to eliminate the taboo that surrounds the issue."

Although the declaration's backers were pleased that nations on six continents had signed it, there were only two from Asia and four from Africa.

UNITED NATIONS — Alone among major Western nations, the United States has refused to sign a declaration presented Thursday at the United Nations calling for worldwide decriminalization of homose...
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Check out the Global Pulse video on this, showing how different TV news around the world are covering the issue.

Watch it here: http://www.linktv.org/video/3438

I'm an intern with Link TV, the nonprofit that produces Global Pulse. Interesting to see how the rest of the world is reporting on the news.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:21 PM on 12/29/2008
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This needs to be on HuffPo's main page...but it isnt, however, declarations of why Rick Warren is ok by one singer who had one conversation with him is. You guys are disspointing me big time...

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:21 AM on 12/23/2008
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Everyone posting on this article is gay.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:11 AM on 12/21/2008
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Nope.
But I am a supporter of my friends pursuit of full human rights.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:02 PM on 12/21/2008
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so your gay?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:15 AM on 12/23/2008

Gay rights is a minor issue and it gets tiring to keep hearing people talk about it as if it was such a priority in peoples lives. I believe that it is a personal matter and needs to be kept one.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:06 PM on 12/20/2008
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Well, it may not be a priority in /your/ life. If you're so self-centered, why even bother reading or posting here?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:57 PM on 12/20/2008

uhhh...may­be to YOU its a minor issue. I remember being heartbroken over those two Iranian teenagers hanged not too long ago for "sodomy" (I hate that term). I think they would have disagreed with you on the triviality of gay rights.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:59 PM on 12/20/2008
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That is the wonder of it. We will not keep quiet ever, until you hunt us down.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:31 PM on 12/20/2008
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and, sadly, it's thinking like this that clearly demonstrates why the pursuit of gay rights remains unfinished business..­.

joe, you're clueless..­.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:39 AM on 12/21/2008
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JoeCastro: siney is right. You are clueless, or, at least, incorrect.

Human rights are indivisible. When we allow anyone's human rights to be taken away, we weaken our own right to be human. The bigot needs a victim; the victim is interchangeable. By defending the rights of others to be who they are, we protect ourselves. That is why there are no "minor issues" of human rights. Remember: The next victim of these bigots could be you.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:30 PM on 12/29/2008

The state of Israel signed IN FAVOR of the decleration, supporting gay rights.

Syria, and most if not all of the Muslim countries, signed AGAINST gay rights.

So next time you think about the conflict, think hard who are the good guys and who are the bad guys.

By the way - If they was a decleration about WOMEN rights, the result was the same.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:47 PM on 12/20/2008
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Yeah. And the US sided with those Muslim countries, in opposition of Israel.

Getting worried?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:32 AM on 12/21/2008
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You make a simple minded comment.
I suppose you become an enemy of anyone who disagrees with you on anything.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:04 PM on 12/21/2008
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I guess Israel lobbing urianum at the lebanese is ok by you...

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:18 AM on 12/23/2008
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I'm gay. F*uck you. I don't need anyones approval or tolerance. Just get it.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:46 PM on 12/20/2008

With that attitude, you'll probably never get it, either.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:52 PM on 12/20/2008
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At least we are finding out what the attitudes are out there.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:37 PM on 12/20/2008
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i suspect there's more in joey's closet than his attitude..­.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:51 AM on 12/21/2008

Why are gay people so angry, if they are so confident in what they believe in why are they always trying to get people on their side. If they were really confident in who they are they would not need peoples approval.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:12 PM on 12/20/2008
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So suddenly all gay people are angry and have poor confidence? Out of curiosity, what other prejudices do you harbor against gay people?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:56 PM on 12/20/2008
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Due to creeps like you.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:31 PM on 12/20/2008
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joooeeeeey­....having joined huffpo in december, presumably today, you've made all of 2 comments, both of which occurred today within 6 minutes of the other and on this very article...­so tell me, joey, why all the interest in what interests gay people and the health of our inner children?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:49 AM on 12/21/2008
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Maybe you need to walk in their shoes for a bit.
You will "get it" if you do.
You will walk in their shoes if you really care.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:06 PM on 12/21/2008
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Gee we find our selves in the same basket as muslim nations on gay rights but we are willing to bomb them off the map for apposing our way or life? The US is consistantly a jerk in the UN and to the world, no surprise. How sad.

Equality for all as a recognition of human natural diversity and cellibration of our collective cultures!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:55 AM on 12/20/2008
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"A new Vatican statement, issued Thursday, endorsed the call to end criminal penalties against gays..."

Gee, how's that for a step into the 14th century?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:19 AM on 12/20/2008

What they're jockeying for is an end to penalties against pedophiles. And the only reason they are concerned is that the criminal investigations yield lots of evidence of a culture that regarded sexual abuse as a vice, like drinking or smoking. Stupid parishioners were led to report incidents to the church instead of the police. In response, the abused got an audience with a bishop who told them not to go to the police and that they'd say a healing mass for them. That was supposed to be enough to make everything better.

We really need to take away their pulpit. We should not be interested in how they weigh in on UN declarations or local politics. The catholic church has no moral authority.

I'm not stating anything that was not in the Boston Globe or Los Angeles Times coverage of the lawsuits. We know the facts. What we have yet to do is to resolve to take action.

We must marginalize their influence on our society.

Please stop reporting what the Vatican or its outposts have to say about this or that. We are not interested.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:21 PM on 12/20/2008
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The Vatican...­now there's a bastion of heterosexual freedom.

Except for many of the priests.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:38 PM on 12/20/2008
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ThankGodfo­rAthiests: "A new Vatican statement, issued Thursday, endorsed the call to end criminal penalties against gays..." Gee, how's that for a step into the 14th century?"

Actually, it is a good sign. I don't care about the Church's Bible-based bigotry. They are welcome to it. They can live with their own smallness of spirit. It's not my problem. It is the armed clergymen --- the one's with badges who break into people's homes and drag them to jail (or worse) that is the most serious problem. And, actually, this is a step into the 18th century. That's a great leap forward.

Gay-rights are human rights. When one of us is threatened all of us, as human beings, must respond. That is the first lesson of liberty. That I am only as free as I allow you to be. The Catholic Church has never been a big proponent of other people's freedom -- especially those who refuse to accept the Church's authority or disagree with its precepts. This is a welcome sign. In that regard, the Catholic Church has acted in a more enlightened manner than has the American Government under the idiot George Bush.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:02 AM on 12/21/2008
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OK, give or take a century.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:08 AM on 12/22/2008
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Here is another really good article on the UN relating to rights and freedoms


http://www.huffingtonpost.com/john-w-whitehead/the-worldwide-danger-of-r_b_152225.html

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:38 AM on 12/20/2008

Lets not forget that once upon a time in America it was illegal and a criminal offense to have inter-racial marriages. The Right wings evangelicals were wrong then and are wrong now.

People are free to chose who the love and wanna spend their lives with.

Whats really amusing is that,the same people who preach that government shouldnt interfere with how we live our lives are for government interfering on how we live our lives.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:33 AM on 12/20/2008

Actually, it was the Republicans who helped pass the Civil Rights Act of 1964 and the Democrats who largely opposed it. Robert Byrd (D-WV) fillibustered for over 14 hours in an attempt to block it. Look it up.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:34 PM on 12/20/2008
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LOL! Yet more right wing revisionist history.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Civil_Rights_Act_of_1964#By_party

Pound for pound, I'm seeing a lot more Democratic votes for the bill. The Republicans could have been completely absent from Congress and the Civil Rights Act would have still passed.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:05 PM on 12/20/2008

Hey, Gay Basher!

If looking upon homosexuals is so wrong, when are we going to turn into pillars of salt?

In other words, your biblical justification is as weak as your "God" is imaginary.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:33 AM on 12/20/2008

So much for a country that self profess itself as the "Bacon of freedom and Liberty". That US has also fought AGAINST civil Liberty and Freedom.

Against Peoples right(Gays are people too).
Stand against Free Trade,thinking it will make Africa strong.

The US is against anything that gives people any right.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:26 AM on 12/20/2008

"Bacon" of Freedom and Liberty! LOL.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:30 AM on 12/20/2008
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oink

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:45 PM on 12/20/2008
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I doubt that President Obama will be much different on this issue.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:14 AM on 12/20/2008
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Having professional experience in these multilateral formats let me offer my views: This was a non-binding deceleration i.e. not a GA resolution, so even by signing it a member nation would not be bound to anything e.g. decriminalize homosexuality, change military gay-exclusion policies, etc. As a gauge of support for gay civil rights issues, abstaining from this declaration also isn’t significant. Usually these declarations are loaded with nuanced language; sometimes they can spend weeks negotiating a sentence, or use words that are so ambiguous as to create confusion between different member countries as to the meaning. US mission at international bodies are generally under orders to abstain from decelerati­ons/agreem­ents that could create problems, conflicts, or contradictions on actual domestic laws. To comment that this is “Bush’s fault” may not be accurate. Because this was a declaration and not a resolution, I have strong reason to believe this got nowhere near the white house, but that the mission simply consulted with Foggy Bottom. Countries that don’t sign have their own particular reasons for doing so; for most, it is probably a latent anti-homosexual agenda. But for US mission it was probably to avoid signing a deceleration (tantamount to a communiqué of official position) that had language that could be interpreted as running counter to current law. Either way, abstaining does not change US policy or frankly tell us anything new, it only tells us what the current law is.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:46 AM on 12/20/2008
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I think you are correct to state "this got nowhere near the white house". I don't believe every diplomat that leaves this country on country business checks in and says "Hey boss, what should I do? Should I sign it or not?" I mean, get real.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:11 AM on 12/20/2008
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FYI, the direct "boss" of the US mission at the United Nations is the State Department and Foggy bottom, not the white house. That is one reason Obama decided to raise the UN ambassador to a cabinet post, though it has caused some backlash among Clinton personel..­. not all US missions to int'l orgs consult with the White House on every issue; usually they just report to the sub-departments at state e.g. if there is a vote at the OAS regarding a monitor mission to Colombia it goes to western hemisphere affairs. I know this for a a fact.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:41 AM on 12/20/2008
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thanks for the background info :)

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:57 AM on 12/21/2008
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Yes, Thanks for the professional insight. In all probability, you're correct, that this got nowhere near the White House, but the fact is, It don't have to. Everybody knows where George Bush stands on Liberty, you know: "They hate us for our Freedom." No one had to consult with the White House, to ask President Bush where he stood on this issue. In a conflict between American principles of Liberty and Biblical precepts of bigotry, President Bush comes down on the side of the Bible every time. I'm not going to judge if that makes him a good Christian but, as president, it's made him an idiot.

I believe we'll soon see the distance shorten, between UN Plaza and Pennsylvania Avenue. Is this an open document? Can the US reverse its position and sign this document in January?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:36 AM on 12/21/2008
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Article:

"The declaration also has been opposed by the Vatican, a stance which prompted a protest in Rome earlier this month."

Good for the Romans!

As I recall the Holy See (the Vatican) is the only UN member that has no female citizens. So evidently, their view is that women are not equal and gays should be treated as criminals. Why are they even in the UN?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:07 AM on 12/20/2008

Because they're rich.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:39 PM on 12/20/2008
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