Afghanistan Could See 30,000 New US Troops Next Year

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JASON STRAZIUSO | December 20, 2008 09:55 PM EST | AP

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Mike Mullen, the chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff Adm., speaks during a press conference at a U.S base in Kabul, Afghanistan, Saturday, Dec. 20, 2008. The top U.S. military officer says that up to 30,000 extra American troops could be sent to Afghanistan next year. (AP Photo/Rahmat Gul)

KABUL, Afghanistan — The top U.S. military officer said Saturday that the Pentagon could double the number of American forces in Afghanistan by next summer to 60,000 _ the largest estimate of potential reinforcements ever publicly suggested.

Adm. Mike Mullen, chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, said that between 20,000 and 30,000 additional U.S. troops could be sent to Afghanistan to bolster the 31,000 already there.

This year has been the deadliest for U.S. forces in Afghanistan since the 2001 invasion to oust the Taliban for hosting al-Qaida leader Osama bin Laden. Suicide attacks and roadside bombs have become more dangerous, and Taliban fighters have infiltrated wide swaths of countryside and now roam in provinces on Kabul's doorstep.

U.S. commanders have long requested an additional 20,000 troops to aid Canadian and British forces in two provinces just outside Kabul and in the south. But the high end of Mullen's range is the largest number any top U.S. military official has said could be sent to Afghanistan.

Mullen said that increase would include combat forces but also aviation, medical and civilian affairs support troops.

"So some 20,000 to 30,000 is the window of overall increase from where we are right now," he told a news conference at a U.S. base in Kabul. "We certainly have enough forces to be successful in combat, but we haven't had enough forces to hold the territory that we clear."

Overall, there are more than 60,000 foreign troops in Afghanistan. Mullen said any increased U.S. deployment would be directly tied to force levels in Iraq, where U.S. commanders are drawing down troops.

"The Taliban and extremists are more sophisticated and effective," Mullen said. "They haven't won any battles but they certainly have increased the level of violence, and we're very focused on that. That's why the additional forces are so important, to be able to provide security for the Afghan people so these other areas can be developed."

U.S. officials already have plans to send four ground brigades and an aviation brigade to Afghanistan. Defense Secretary Robert Gates has approved the deployment of the aviation brigade, defense officials told The Associated Press. And 10th Mountain Division forces will deploy next month to two provinces that neighbor Kabul _ Wardak and Logar, which have seen an influx of militants over the last year.

Mullen said that after the additional U.S. troops are added over the next eight months, only improvements in Afghanistan's governance and economic situation will affect the strength of the insurgency.

But the chairman conceded that the U.S. may have misjudged the central government's ability "to have the kind of impact that we wanted."

Afghanistan, Mullen said, has never been run by a strong central government, and the U.S. may look to communities and tribes in the country's provinces to take on a greater role in future strategy.

He called U.S. goals in Afghanistan "moderate," and said the long-term U.S. vision is for a country that can govern itself while respecting international law, while providing both material and economic security for its people.

KABUL, Afghanistan — The top U.S. military officer said Saturday that the Pentagon could double the number of American forces in Afghanistan by next summer to 60,000 _ the largest estimate of po...
KABUL, Afghanistan — The top U.S. military officer said Saturday that the Pentagon could double the number of American forces in Afghanistan by next summer to 60,000 _ the largest estimate of po...
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- ultomatt I'm a Fan of ultomatt 13 fans permalink

Your right, I shouldn't have voted for him.

I should have voted for Nader, who I gave a contribution to for the first time in my life, but in the end, I decided that McCain was too close, and I had to once again, vote against someone, not for the other.

I didn't vote for Obama, I voted against McCain. That's the reality of elections in this country. So...will it be war maker number one, or war maker number two?...that's your real choice.

Nader was a dream, of a country that the US can never be. It is too corrupt, too indebted, too everything, including bad. The only thing we might hope for is a balance sheet at the end that sees more good than bad. Not gonna happen with Bush...too late there. Obama however is a relatively clean slate. McCain...wildcard who'd opt for war at the drop of a hat...lost cause (a LONG time ago).

For all the politicians in line now, it's about how to continue making war, with anyone, whoever. It's all good for the military-congressional-industrial complex. All profit. Gotta test your weapons somewhere...why not Afghanistan today, and who knows whereistan tomorrow.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:41 AM on 12/22/2008

An expanded war in Afghanistan? Why? Oh well, any war is better than no war I guess. The Chinese must have agreed to loan us the money. Good news for the holidays. I'm sure the Prince of Peace is pleased.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:25 PM on 12/21/2008

Why? is exactly what comes to mind when I think of our "mission" in Afghanistan.

It's unwinnable, and therefore pointless.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:59 PM on 12/21/2008
- Sneaky I'm a Fan of Sneaky 15 fans permalink

Good. Our boys and girls in the 'Ghan need more help, or they'll keep having to retake the same damn objectives over and over again.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:39 PM on 12/21/2008

Care to elaborate on WHAT the "damn objectives" are?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:00 PM on 12/21/2008
- Sneaky I'm a Fan of Sneaky 15 fans permalink

"Objectives" in this case are the mission-specific assignments the our fighting men and women go out and achieve.

Since you're asking more about the overall goal in Afghanistan, that's fairly easy; maybe not intelligent, depending on how you look at it, but still fairly easy. The Taliban were ousted from Afghanistan's government and scattered, thus making it easier to hunt down Al Qaeda, who was responsible for the attacks on the World Trade Center. However, without a substantial number of soldiers to hold the areas they took away from the Taliban, Taliban and Al Qaeda fighters eventually regrouped and have been progressively stepping up action against American/Coalition forces. We've been constantly taking back what we initially kicked the Taliban and Al Qaeda out of.

Iraq was a mistake, and I'd never say otherwise. I was screaming about it months before it happened and have been ever since. Afghanistan, on the other hand, is a mission I'm okay with. Al Qaeda attacked us, the Taliban helped shelter them, so we get rid of the Taliban to take care of Al Qaeda. Iraq should never have been a priority.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:16 PM on 12/21/2008
- senorlou I'm a Fan of senorlou 126 fans permalink

And while they're in Afghanistan, our troops will get to sample some of Afghanistan's fresh produce:
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20081221/ap_on_re_as/as_afghanistan;_ylt=Auabttjo0gIdTgJqDGZYZUEDW7oF

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:20 PM on 12/21/2008
- jake106 I'm a Fan of jake106 4 fans permalink

Cool! I was getting tired of going to Iraq anyway. It's been seven years since I was in Afghanistan, at least the scenery will be a little different.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:20 AM on 12/21/2008

We need to get out of the war business in Afghanistan. It's not going to happen unless people speak up about it. And people aren't going to speak up about it, unless the get p*ssed, and people aren't going to get p*ssed unless they become informed about this war - from 2001 to the present, sans the propaganda we've been fed for the past 7 years. We were taken to this war on false pretenses. And this war is as much of a farce, a lie and a quagmire as Iraq - not to mention the source of heinous human rights abuses and fullscale slaughtering of innocent human beings, under the cover of this global war on so-called terror.

Either we start demanding an end to this war now, or we wait a few more years, as we did with Iraq, for the truth to filter in: namely, the reason we are pouring innocent blood and billions of dollars into the earth of that country is for our oil agenda. Must our learning curves take so long, and at such a great cost of human life?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:02 AM on 12/21/2008
- geobushono I'm a Fan of geobushono 15 fans permalink

you war lovers have $4 left in your pockets and you want to give it to the army to take to Afghanistan and give guns to some poppy grower.
This is not change i can believe in. this is the same old trick....draw down for one term, and ratchet back up so the wealthy can start making the big bucks again.
If you love this idea, I expect you'll encourage your kids to go smell the gore.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:23 AM on 12/21/2008
- jsarets I'm a Fan of jsarets 179 fans permalink

To suggest that we can control the level of violence in Afghanistan by increasing the number of troops is like suggesting that we can control the rate of foreclosure in America by increasing the number of evictions.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:42 AM on 12/21/2008
- Ramirez I'm a Fan of Ramirez 289 fans permalink
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It's like suggesting we can control crime in chicago by hiring more cops

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:14 AM on 12/21/2008
- jsarets I'm a Fan of jsarets 179 fans permalink

I think I agree with you for once. Well, I guess you're a right libertarian, I'm a left libertarian, and we're bound to agree on matters like the police state, federalism, and so forth.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:41 AM on 12/21/2008

Well said Ramirez.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:26 PM on 12/21/2008
- Beernuts I'm a Fan of Beernuts 5 fans permalink

Cool!! They will be greeted as liberators and have trouble stepping over all the roses thrown at their feet, right? Any statues we can topple for a really meaningful photo-op? I'd advise keeping a close eye on any pallets of cash that are going along for the ride. The more things "change" the more they stay the same. Can't fool you once, twice would be more like it.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:02 AM on 12/21/2008

The most telling statement I read in the article above is the following - "the Taliban haven't won a battlle..."
Need I remind you that the same thing was said about the Viet Cong and look how that turned out. We need to go into Pakistan kill Osama and get the hell out. I would recommend the following movie to those you out there that doubt the resolve of the Afghan fighter - http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0094716/

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:34 AM on 12/21/2008

America will never learn. The military complex will squeeze the last dollar from the US citizens. It doesn't even matter what kind of goal you are trying to achieve. As long as every now and then the Americans get the message: YES WE ARE WINNING, is good enough news for congress to approve the next few 100 billions. Atrocities are committed in your name but as the media is not allowed to give you information apart from propaganda most will never find out what happened. The public was fooled with Iraq and they will be fooled with Afghanistan. Especially with a new president in charge who has naturally a lot of credits. 9/11 has created a downward spiral and you will only wake up when you hit the bottom. This time will come when China and other countries will stop financing your debt (and your wars). America wíll be downgraded to a low wages country, a marketplace for cheap foreign junk. Look at how many foreign companies are exploiting American auto workers in Alabama already. Some Germans call these workers "our Mexicans".

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:42 AM on 12/21/2008

Some Germans call these workers "our Mexicans".

And what do we call Turks, Poles and Yugoslavs in Germany?!

Common, lets not get into this subject, Kerl. Not everyone posting here is American, you know.
"As long as every now and then the Americans get the message"

Here's message for you, Pass auf!
Afghanistan conflict 1." We:" Alliance of Afghan tribes; United States. U.K. Germany, France, Canada, Italy Netherlands, Turkey, Poland, Australia, Spain, Denmark, Romania, Sweden, Bulgaria, Belgium, Norway, Czechs. 2. "They:" T-ali-ban; al-Q-ae-da ;Hezb-e-Islami Gulbuddin ; Lashkar-e-Toiba; Jaish-e-Moha-mmed; Hizbul Muja-hideen; and foreign Ji-ha-dists from all over the word.

Who are YOU with?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:02 PM on 12/21/2008

Here's Afghanistan plan for the new administration:
1.Call a meeting of all Nato countries. Work out a long term strategic plan.
Twist arms to triple commitment of troops, especially the countries that want US help on the Russian borders. Yes, you, lazy Poles, Lithuanians, Estonians, Hungarians, Czechs etc.
They can stop gorging on kielbasa and get some real combat experience.
2. Demand and shame rich Islamic countries to donate billions to help their "brothers" to reconstruct A-stan. Do NOT let Sa-udis build madras-as in exchange for $.
3. Pay-per-Play in Pakistan for Os-ama. Deliver this ultimatum behind closed doors. Deny if leaked--must give 'em chance to save face. Give them three month or no financial aid. For billions in annual aid they will.
4. Deport on sight ALL foreign men and women of military age without specific reason to be in A-stan. Especially Ara-bs, Che-chens, Uzb-eks, Kos-ovans.
5. Built technical schools, roads, electrical, water and internet capacity.
6. Caning and mandatory 10 year hard labor for any women school attack.
7. Buy po-ppy at slightly above market cost for the time needed to defeat Taliban. After that, help farmers switch to another crop.

That's to start.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:26 AM on 12/21/2008
- JulieSA I'm a Fan of JulieSA 165 fans permalink
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Good plan.

I read the Lithuanian Special Forces are stepping up:

http://www.julescrittenden.com/2008/12/19/shout-out-to-lithuania/

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:22 AM on 12/21/2008

Thanks for the great link Julie. Exactly, we need more, a lot more from allies.
There are some good soldiers out there,
if only the lazy and scheming politicians would let them fight.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:52 PM on 12/21/2008

"Yes, you, lazy Poles, Lithuanians, Estonians, Hungarians, Czechs etc"

Having a condescending attitude towards our allies is a dead give away of a neocon at work.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:05 AM on 12/21/2008

This is all you got, humble? A snark about one ironic word?
Not much upstairs, eh pal?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:44 PM on 12/21/2008
- Sneaky I'm a Fan of Sneaky 15 fans permalink

The Czechs, Lithuanians, and Romanians are among our best and hardest fighting allies. Like you said below, it's not their fault their governments are keeping them muzzled, and we also have to keep in mind that these counties tend to be smaller, much less financially affluent, and are sometimes much less motivated to fight the American fight. Just sayin'.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:27 PM on 12/21/2008

Somebody should send Obama the book Imperial Hubris. He could get a recorded version of it through National Library Service, He had Brzezhinki advising him early
in his campaign. I suspect that these words of wisdom aren't Zbig's. I fear that we are going to have two consecutive cement heads in office.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:53 PM on 12/20/2008
- Peabodies I'm a Fan of Peabodies 21 fans permalink

I'm sure the Afghans are rejoicing -- wow, more American "peacekeepers"!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:22 PM on 12/20/2008

Better than Al Qa-eda and medievalist Ta-lib-an. It is easy to snark, pal.
Not so easy to contribute to a meaningful dialog on a complex matter.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:01 AM on 12/21/2008
- Peabodies I'm a Fan of Peabodies 21 fans permalink

Tell me, why are we in Afghanistan? Why???????????

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:47 AM on 12/21/2008
- tnfit78 I'm a Fan of tnfit78 14 fans permalink
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http://www.pbs.org/moyers/journal/index-flash.htm

See what Sarah Chayes says about Afghanistan before jumping to conclusions on the subject.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:06 PM on 12/20/2008
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