AL FRANKEN RECOUNT LEAD: Final Count Still Needs To Be Settled

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BRIAN BAKST | December 23, 2008 11:12 PM EST | AP

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ST. PAUL, Minn. — Minnesota voters won't know who won the state's U.S. Senate race this year, and it's looking more likely that the new Congress will be sworn in before the race ends between Democrat Al Franken and Republican incumbent Norm Coleman.

The state Canvassing Board on Tuesday scheduled a Jan. 5 meeting and its chairman said the panel's work could spill into Jan. 6 _ the day the next Congress convenes.

Franken leads Coleman with an increasingly small number of ballots yet to consider. Franken finished the day up 47 votes, according to a preliminary report by the secretary of state's office. An earlier report by the office had placed the margin at 48 votes, but the Canvassing Board made one correction, costing Franken a vote.

For the second time in two weeks, the state Supreme Court got involved in the election, this time hearing arguments over ballots Coleman's campaign claims were double counted.

Secretary of State Mark Ritchie said there is no way the board will certify a winner this year.

"We are not in any way guided by any Washington consideration, timeline," said Ritchie, a Democrat. "These folks have people's lives in their hands."

Coleman's campaign disputed the allocation of some challenged ballots and called some of the board's rulings inconsistent. It said correcting the errors would have produced a 49-vote swing in Coleman's favor.

Franken's campaign has also brought to the board's attention some possible errors, which it says amounts to 43 potential votes in the Democrat's favor.

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The board will meet Dec. 30 to consider the allocation report.

In court Tuesday, Coleman attorney Roger Magnuson argued that dozens of voters in 25 precincts, mostly in Democratic-heavy Minneapolis, may have gotten two votes. The voters had ballots that couldn't be fed through counting machines, so duplicates were made by election judges. Coleman's campaign alleges that both duplicates and originals made it into the recount.

It urged the Supreme Court to reconcile the number of voters with the number of ballots and disqualify ballots when there is a mismatch. "This election will turn on double voting," Magnuson warned.

Justices repeatedly asked Coleman's campaign for hard evidence showing votes were counted twice. Magnuson said he needed a court order forcing the matchup of voter rolls and ballot counts to do that.

"You're asking for extraordinary relief," Justice Paul Anderson told him. "You're asking us to stop the Canvassing Board in its tracks."

Franken attorney Bill Pentelovitch said granting the request would force officials in all of Minnesota's 4,100-plus precincts to redo the recount. He said Coleman's campaign "cherry-picked" precincts in an effort to overturn rules it consented to before the recount.

"What they're really asking is to undo the rules under which this recount was done, and there will be chaos," Pentelovitch told the court.

Justices didn't say when they would rule, but election cases generally get expedited treatment.

Regardless of the outcome of that case, the vote totals could shift again when state officials open as many as 1,600 absentee ballots that were incorrectly rejected on Election Day. Franken's campaign fought for their inclusion, but it is anyone's guess how those votes will break.

The Supreme Court ruled last week that improperly rejected absentee ballots must be included in the state's recount. Under a proposal awaiting ratification, the board would count the ballots that recount officials and the campaigns agree were wrongly excluded from the earlier vote tallies, Ritchie said.

But that process is also laden with problems. Under a Supreme Court ruling last week, either campaign can object to the counting of each of the absentee ballots. The ballot would be set aside unless the voter heads to court for an order to count it, Ritchie said.

The race went into overtime because Coleman led Franken by 215 votes after the Nov. 4 count of about 2.9 million ballots. That was well within the automatic recount law triggered when races are within one half of one percentage point.

ST. PAUL, Minn. — Minnesota voters won't know who won the state's U.S. Senate race this year, and it's looking more likely that the new Congress will be sworn in before the race ends between Dem...
ST. PAUL, Minn. — Minnesota voters won't know who won the state's U.S. Senate race this year, and it's looking more likely that the new Congress will be sworn in before the race ends between Dem...
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This election seems like a Gordian Knot and that a run off election between Coleman and Franken may be the sword needed to cut through it.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:03 PM on 12/23/2008
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Or Coleman going to prison. That might also solve it.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:07 PM on 12/23/2008

tee-hee!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:10 PM on 12/23/2008
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Minnesota law doesn't allow for run-off elections in this instance.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:07 PM on 12/23/2008
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Or they could follow the law and let the bipartisan committee openly count every vote.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:07 PM on 12/23/2008

What about "lizard people"? Did it count or not? I'm not being sarcastic, just curious. I know this recount isn't easy and the officials are doing the best in a very difficult situation.

http://minnesota.publicradio.org/features/2008/11/19_challenged_ballots/

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:57 PM on 12/23/2008
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Elections in the USA have become one great big freaking joke!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:03 PM on 12/23/2008

yeah......the nerve of the people actually expecting their votes to count......what do they think this is....a democracy or something?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:06 PM on 12/23/2008
- Grunty1 I'm a Fan of Grunty1 227 fans permalink

The handling of this election has been nigh perfect.
It is only a "joke" when your side isn't winning.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:10 PM on 12/23/2008
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If Al actually wins I will be loving Blimpbaugh's reaction. He will be doubling his doses (~_*)

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:59 PM on 12/23/2008
- lornejl I'm a Fan of lornejl 644 fans permalink
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Any ballots that were cast for Coleman should be thrown out and who ever voted for him should be tracked down and institutionalized.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:58 PM on 12/23/2008

haven't you read the papers? most of the rethugs are on their way to some sort of an institution.......

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:01 PM on 12/23/2008
- MIMom I'm a Fan of MIMom 110 fans permalink
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'tis true. They are all cracking up. Just look at those on this board.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:06 PM on 12/23/2008
- pinkc2 I'm a Fan of pinkc2 4 fans permalink

oh look, it's the little engine that could!!! LOLOLOL

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:06 PM on 12/23/2008
- Grunty1 I'm a Fan of Grunty1 227 fans permalink

Yup, the State Pen.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:11 PM on 12/23/2008
- Grunty1 I'm a Fan of Grunty1 227 fans permalink

Coleman is still a step up from Bachmann.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:05 PM on 12/23/2008
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So is the average stray cat.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:07 PM on 12/23/2008
- ere I'm a Fan of ere 50 fans permalink

so are genital warts

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    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:16 PM on 12/23/2008
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slippery steps

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:30 PM on 12/23/2008
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Al Franken has no qualification whatsoever to be a Senator. The only reason he may win is a huge discontent over the Republican party in this election cycle. Otherwise, his candidacy would have been laughable. Besides, Coleman is very moderate Republican. He is not some crazy pro-life right winger. I would rather see a knowledgeable, experienced moderate Republican in the Senate than know-nothing Democrat.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:54 PM on 12/23/2008

hopefully coleman can use all that knowledge and experience in PRlS0N while he snubs the "know-nothing" democrat..........

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:58 PM on 12/23/2008
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Horseflop. Franken is Harvard educated and has been writing about politics for a long time. He was close to Paul Wellstone, and hopefully will follow in his footsteps. Coleman is a crook and will be prosecuted soon.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:59 PM on 12/23/2008
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No nothing? You need to listen to Al more.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:00 PM on 12/23/2008
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Explain than please, why Franken won the primary?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:00 PM on 12/23/2008
- kevenseven I'm a Fan of kevenseven 501 fans permalink
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You know it is all just a conspiracy to piss you off.

How is that working out?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:01 PM on 12/23/2008

There is only one scenario left for Coleman, that is where the 1600 or so wrongly discarded absentee ballots get counted, and they break to Coleman by more than 50 votes. Ironic isn't it that Coleman is fighting to have those ballots disqualified. Just as ironic is the fact that Franken is fighting to have them counted, when they could possibly hand the seat to Coleman.

A politician with less integrity than Franken would have quietly dropped that request, or, switched over to the Coleman side once it became clear that he could win without them. A politician with more integrity than Coleman would have been with Franken in getting them included since the beginning, obviously Coleman is worried not about everyone getting their vote counted, but only about whether or not the votes that get counted will favor him. Any vote that doesn't favor him, he wants thrown out. What a snake.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:51 PM on 12/23/2008

'selective' counting of the votes.......

'selective' recollection of the facts re: WMDs, flred attorneys, etc.......

'selective' process re: which banks will fail, which ones succeed.....


i see a pattern here........

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:56 PM on 12/23/2008
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selective recollections of when Clinton fired US attorneys investigating him in Little Rock
selective recollections of when Clinton, Algore and Maddy Albright thought he had 'em

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:12 PM on 12/23/2008
- WLA I'm a Fan of WLA 323 fans permalink
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Repubs tend to lose when more votes are counted.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:00 PM on 12/23/2008
- CVN65 I'm a Fan of CVN65 25 fans permalink

Or when they are found later, or counted twice, or cast by dead people, etc.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:28 PM on 12/23/2008
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It says everything about the character of the two men. Here's to an Al victory.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:28 PM on 12/23/2008
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GO AL!!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:45 PM on 12/23/2008
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Did that fix come from the Governors office, and did Bachmann help?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:42 PM on 12/23/2008
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miss-posted, in reply to pepper 14

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The fix has been in from the start to make sure that Franken got more votes. Dems control it all in that state but one thing that Franken can look forward to is being a term senator. Voters also will more than likely vote out the secretary of state.

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    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:45 PM on 12/23/2008
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Pepper isn't too thrilled with the democratic process.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:46 PM on 12/23/2008
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"Favorite Flag as abusive P"

Yes, "Abusive P" seems about right.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:58 PM on 12/23/2008

not sure if this has been posted yet........but it's time to start celebrating while i'm posting!!!!!!!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HOiVaE-pKqM

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:42 PM on 12/23/2008
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Heh.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:43 PM on 12/23/2008
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Ha!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:44 PM on 12/23/2008
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Great!
And Al, if you are reading this, I Could be your Bodyguard.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:59 PM on 12/23/2008
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Right wingers move way out of town
To avoid living near someone brown
So afraid of attack
They sent our cash to Iraq
In the hopes that it would 'trickle down'

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    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:40 PM on 12/23/2008
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Whatever the election outcome, I hope Dems will conduct themselves with the kind of grace that so escaped the Republicans in 2000 and 2004. It's time for us to act like the good guys, not just talk the talk. Minnesotans deserve to know that their Senator was chosen in a fair, lawful manner, whomever wins.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:37 PM on 12/23/2008
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So far there seems to have been a lot of class from the dems.

(Not so from us on the huffpo, though.... We're alowed to go, "Nyah, nyah, nyah" as much as we please!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:42 PM on 12/23/2008

the clown is down, the comic is up

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:37 PM on 12/23/2008
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Let's see what the dems will get done with 59 senators.
I'm actually sorry they didn't get 60, but there should be some republican senators that will vote with them, the problem is, there will be some democratic senators who won't.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:36 PM on 12/23/2008
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Those Dem senators will need strong challengers in their next primaries. Time to start insisting that Dem senators are Dems in practice, not just in name.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:40 PM on 12/23/2008
- CVN65 I'm a Fan of CVN65 25 fans permalink

Meggie-that is the only way that they got elected. They ran as blue dog democrats. So far they have been able to vote as their constituents have desired- they have been able to avoid voting the straight party line for political reasons-but have mostly been there for their party when it really counted. For you to have that large majority, you are going to have to tolerate this for some time. Besides, Specter, Collins and Snowe vote with you most of the time anyway.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:57 PM on 12/23/2008
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That's why we have to hold them accountable. If they're not, they must understand, this will be their last term in office. Got to get mean, got to get down, got to togetherrrrr!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:07 PM on 12/23/2008
- WLA I'm a Fan of WLA 323 fans permalink
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Don't worry, you'll still be saying "B-b-b-but... Dem-controlled-Congress..."

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:52 PM on 12/23/2008
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Humor vs. the Giant Choppers of Doom.....

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:35 PM on 12/23/2008

I didn't have much hope for this recount in the beginning... go Al!!!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:33 PM on 12/23/2008
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doggon it. you are a good person!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:36 PM on 12/23/2008
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