AL FRANKEN RECOUNT LEAD: Final Count Still Needs To Be Settled

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BRIAN BAKST | December 23, 2008 11:12 PM EST | AP

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ST. PAUL, Minn. — Minnesota voters won't know who won the state's U.S. Senate race this year, and it's looking more likely that the new Congress will be sworn in before the race ends between Democrat Al Franken and Republican incumbent Norm Coleman.

The state Canvassing Board on Tuesday scheduled a Jan. 5 meeting and its chairman said the panel's work could spill into Jan. 6 _ the day the next Congress convenes.

Franken leads Coleman with an increasingly small number of ballots yet to consider. Franken finished the day up 47 votes, according to a preliminary report by the secretary of state's office. An earlier report by the office had placed the margin at 48 votes, but the Canvassing Board made one correction, costing Franken a vote.

For the second time in two weeks, the state Supreme Court got involved in the election, this time hearing arguments over ballots Coleman's campaign claims were double counted.

Secretary of State Mark Ritchie said there is no way the board will certify a winner this year.

"We are not in any way guided by any Washington consideration, timeline," said Ritchie, a Democrat. "These folks have people's lives in their hands."

Coleman's campaign disputed the allocation of some challenged ballots and called some of the board's rulings inconsistent. It said correcting the errors would have produced a 49-vote swing in Coleman's favor.

Franken's campaign has also brought to the board's attention some possible errors, which it says amounts to 43 potential votes in the Democrat's favor.

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The board will meet Dec. 30 to consider the allocation report.

In court Tuesday, Coleman attorney Roger Magnuson argued that dozens of voters in 25 precincts, mostly in Democratic-heavy Minneapolis, may have gotten two votes. The voters had ballots that couldn't be fed through counting machines, so duplicates were made by election judges. Coleman's campaign alleges that both duplicates and originals made it into the recount.

It urged the Supreme Court to reconcile the number of voters with the number of ballots and disqualify ballots when there is a mismatch. "This election will turn on double voting," Magnuson warned.

Justices repeatedly asked Coleman's campaign for hard evidence showing votes were counted twice. Magnuson said he needed a court order forcing the matchup of voter rolls and ballot counts to do that.

"You're asking for extraordinary relief," Justice Paul Anderson told him. "You're asking us to stop the Canvassing Board in its tracks."

Franken attorney Bill Pentelovitch said granting the request would force officials in all of Minnesota's 4,100-plus precincts to redo the recount. He said Coleman's campaign "cherry-picked" precincts in an effort to overturn rules it consented to before the recount.

"What they're really asking is to undo the rules under which this recount was done, and there will be chaos," Pentelovitch told the court.

Justices didn't say when they would rule, but election cases generally get expedited treatment.

Regardless of the outcome of that case, the vote totals could shift again when state officials open as many as 1,600 absentee ballots that were incorrectly rejected on Election Day. Franken's campaign fought for their inclusion, but it is anyone's guess how those votes will break.

The Supreme Court ruled last week that improperly rejected absentee ballots must be included in the state's recount. Under a proposal awaiting ratification, the board would count the ballots that recount officials and the campaigns agree were wrongly excluded from the earlier vote tallies, Ritchie said.

But that process is also laden with problems. Under a Supreme Court ruling last week, either campaign can object to the counting of each of the absentee ballots. The ballot would be set aside unless the voter heads to court for an order to count it, Ritchie said.

The race went into overtime because Coleman led Franken by 215 votes after the Nov. 4 count of about 2.9 million ballots. That was well within the automatic recount law triggered when races are within one half of one percentage point.

ST. PAUL, Minn. — Minnesota voters won't know who won the state's U.S. Senate race this year, and it's looking more likely that the new Congress will be sworn in before the race ends between Dem...
ST. PAUL, Minn. — Minnesota voters won't know who won the state's U.S. Senate race this year, and it's looking more likely that the new Congress will be sworn in before the race ends between Dem...
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- rcampbell I'm a Fan of rcampbell 9 fans permalink

Couldn't be happier. Hope Al finishing off Coleman very soon.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:15 PM on 12/23/2008
- FTP I'm a Fan of FTP 5 fans permalink

The Greatest Patriotism of All – Simply Believing – There is Justice for All!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:15 PM on 12/23/2008
- ere I'm a Fan of ere 50 fans permalink

no, you gotta work for it and fight for it

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    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:16 PM on 12/23/2008
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Believing in things that aren't real is called delusion, not patriotism. Patriotism is totally different, it means believing in something that has no point.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:19 PM on 12/23/2008

Hey Norm.
Peace Out, Cub Scout!
Next...

PS Ted will soon have someone to talk to...

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:11 PM on 12/23/2008
- TJCole I'm a Fan of TJCole 160 fans permalink
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"Joke'em if they can't take a ---- well you know..!"

Go Al, we need you in the U.S. Senate...

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:10 PM on 12/23/2008
- Kkak I'm a Fan of Kkak 2 fans permalink

Go Al!! I love you for what you've done for Dems!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:09 PM on 12/23/2008
- CVN65 I'm a Fan of CVN65 25 fans permalink

What exactly has he done?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:50 PM on 12/23/2008
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Stuck to his guns when it comes to a recount.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:03 PM on 12/23/2008
- FTP I'm a Fan of FTP 5 fans permalink

The Founding Fathers put forth this protection for all – The simple word of the old man – Accept who you are – live within these simple laws – and accept who your neighbor is - for what he or she believes they are – Then you shall know - The peace - for the world.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:08 PM on 12/23/2008
- FTP I'm a Fan of FTP 5 fans permalink

Democracy - Not yet - There are still those who believe they are greater then all - No respect for the 10 simple laws of the old-man - Or the constitution -

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:07 PM on 12/23/2008
- ere I'm a Fan of ere 50 fans permalink

well, to be honest, most of those 10 'simple laws' are bogus

let's keep the don't ki-ll, don't steal ones, the rest are just to help keep the scam of religion going

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    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:09 PM on 12/23/2008
- BronxBorn I'm a Fan of BronxBorn 50 fans permalink
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I'd just be happy with the " Don't Murder."
If I got that for Christmas, I would die happy.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:14 PM on 12/23/2008
- BronxBorn I'm a Fan of BronxBorn 50 fans permalink
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They weren't laws, they were suggestions.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:10 PM on 12/23/2008
- Episcopagan I'm a Fan of Episcopagan 141 fans permalink

One of those "top 10" concerns not bearing false witness.

Suggest you contemplate that one.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:19 PM on 12/23/2008
- lungfish I'm a Fan of lungfish 106 fans permalink
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You go Al!

You are good enough,
Smart enouch,
and, doggone it,
People Like YOU!!!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:06 PM on 12/23/2008
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Hehehe!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:15 PM on 12/23/2008
- AliMB I'm a Fan of AliMB 68 fans permalink
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From a non-partisan perspective, I think its wrong that a US Senate seat will be decided by 48 votes. This isn't a seat on the school board, and that vote tally is way to close. What would have been great is if there had been a run-off between Coleman and Franken, no third candidate and no presidential ticket to avoid coat-tailing. That would give Minnesota a more accurate measure of who the people's choice is. This isn't to question that legality of Mr. Franken's 48 vote victory (should that stand), its not his fault. But it would be a much more legitimate and democratic result if we had a run-off. Of course, its all a hypothetical.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:04 PM on 12/23/2008
- tcuoohjohn I'm a Fan of tcuoohjohn 21 fans permalink

Uh...Minnesotans decide what their electoral law will be. They opted not to go with a runoff system. So be it...Runoffs present their own perils.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:06 PM on 12/23/2008
- AliMB I'm a Fan of AliMB 68 fans permalink
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you are right... runoffs present perils, and the law is the law. but i still think a runoff or revote would be better for the state.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:06 PM on 12/23/2008
- SeconLine I'm a Fan of SeconLine 64 fans permalink
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How is voting twice more democratic than voting once and sticking with the results?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:13 PM on 12/23/2008
- AliMB I'm a Fan of AliMB 68 fans permalink
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because of the vote differential... too much room for error... its standard practice in many developing countries

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:05 PM on 12/23/2008
- condew I'm a Fan of condew 9 fans permalink

You sound like a sore looser.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:15 PM on 12/23/2008
- AliMB I'm a Fan of AliMB 68 fans permalink
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why am i a sore loser? ha ha. I am neither from minnesota, nor a supporter of either candidate.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:04 PM on 12/23/2008
- pinkyboo I'm a Fan of pinkyboo 21 fans permalink

If the state law for MN required that then yes of course- sorry but seems to me they are following STATE LAW.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:20 PM on 12/23/2008
- AliMB I'm a Fan of AliMB 68 fans permalink
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of course you are right, there is nothing illegal going on... my argument was that they should change the law

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:04 PM on 12/23/2008
- DrBuzz I'm a Fan of DrBuzz 6 fans permalink

AliMB,

As you know (from the experience in Georgia), run-offs have indeed been used when no candidate could gain a majority. However, as for the Presidency, that process has to be pre-ordained. As for the number of Presidents who have gained the top office of the land with less-than-majority results, the rules need to be set before the game is played. In a democracy, knowing the rules and bounds ahead of time allows the game to be played fairly, even if the results are undesireable. I would try finding a sponsor within Minnesota (and every state) to promote your run-off plan, but methinks given the cost of such run-offs, you won't find a great deal of traction....

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:20 PM on 12/23/2008
- AliMB I'm a Fan of AliMB 68 fans permalink
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nothing wrong with plurality rule, its just the tightness of the final vote total that concerns me... if x candidate wins by 1%, that would be considered a squeaker, but we're still taking about a lot of votes. but 48 votes? too close. i've work with certain democracy projects in latin america, and a 48 vote differential would be considered null by most international observors if we are talking about a sizeable constituency (alcadias and up) ... too much room for error, fraud, bad math, etc. I am not under any circumstances arguing that this result will be illegal or that Franken shouldn't take the senate seat, i am just saying that they should change the law (run-off/revote triggers) to avoid these situations in the future. But you are right, it would be difficult to pass in most states.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:03 PM on 12/23/2008
- ere I'm a Fan of ere 50 fans permalink

SENATOR FRANKEN

PRESIDENT OBAMA

SENATOR FRANKEN

PRESIDENT OBAMA

SENATOR FRANKEN

PRESIDENT OBAMA

SENATOR FRANKEN

PRESIDENT OBAMA

hahahahaha­hahahahaha­haha - how ya like that, tr0lls?

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    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:02 PM on 12/23/2008

LOL! You are sure cheery and bright. Thanks!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:04 PM on 12/23/2008
- nirek I'm a Fan of nirek 87 fans permalink
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I sure hope you're right !

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:10 PM on 12/23/2008
- MIMom I'm a Fan of MIMom 109 fans permalink
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I hope you brought a mop....trollies will commence the meltdown shortly...

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:11 PM on 12/23/2008
- Pronto I'm a Fan of Pronto 32 fans permalink

"how ya like that, tr0lls?"

It's better than your music, Tommy.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:18 PM on 12/23/2008
- ere I'm a Fan of ere 50 fans permalink

wait til pinto starts stalking me again

that little cowardly twit is kinda funny in a 'whats that smell' kind of way

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    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:22 PM on 12/23/2008
- Pronto I'm a Fan of Pronto 32 fans permalink

Tommy - just because I'm the biggest 'ere fan EVER, doesn't mean that I'm s t a l k i n g you. It means that I have no taste in music.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:26 PM on 12/23/2008
- Episcopagan I'm a Fan of Episcopagan 141 fans permalink

Neo sings "The Twelve Daze of Christmas"

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zjFMBsppBVc

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:01 PM on 12/23/2008
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Brazil is a developing country with huge issues with poverty and official corruption and yet in the last federal elections there, they enjoyed a system of electronic machines with a paper trail and across the board accountability.

If people in Amazonian towns can have their vote accurately and quickly counted without this unnecessary drama, then why not Minnesotans (and the rest of us, for that matter)?

World's greatest democracy indeed.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:01 PM on 12/23/2008
- Mogamboguru I'm a Fan of Mogamboguru 317 fans permalink
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There are no NEOCONS in Brazil.

That's why...

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:11 PM on 12/23/2008

This Greatest Democracy of ours have been bought long ago. Eliminate ALL LOBBYING and LOBBYISTS. We have become a rotten country.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:11 PM on 12/23/2008
- SeconLine I'm a Fan of SeconLine 64 fans permalink
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India is the world's largest democracy.

They vote on sealed $200 electronic machines.

The system works, too.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:15 PM on 12/23/2008
- CVN65 I'm a Fan of CVN65 25 fans permalink

If you have followed this closely, you will see that the Democrat Sec of State has cherrypicked the polling sites that will submit recount or election night results in order to favor Franken. They also allowed several hundred votes to be submitted several days late (100% for Al!). They also deny that 128 votes for Al were run through twice even though the numbers prove this and the poll workers admit that they made a mistake. If this gets changed they will have to find more ballots. No recount was necessary in this computer age-it is just a cover to find new ballots and massage the numbers until the desired outcome is achieved. They are following the Washington State plan perfectly.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:36 PM on 12/23/2008
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Senator Al Franken.

Go Al, GO!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:59 PM on 12/23/2008
- abby4ever I'm a Fan of abby4ever 232 fans permalink
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H0 H0 H0

Now Santa wonders about that new drummer you think is so great.

Got rhythm?

H0 H0 H0

Posted 12:49 PM on 12/23/2008

Look's like Santa's drunk.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:59 PM on 12/23/2008
- ere I'm a Fan of ere 50 fans permalink

It wasn't milk with those cookies

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    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:03 PM on 12/23/2008
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I'm not too sure about the contents of those cookies either.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:05 PM on 12/23/2008
- abby4ever I'm a Fan of abby4ever 232 fans permalink
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IOTG-LOL !!! I guess not!

:]

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:08 PM on 12/23/2008

Its over Coleman go home and rest on your morals--if you are left with any.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:57 PM on 12/23/2008
- Bullwinkie I'm a Fan of Bullwinkie 16 fans permalink

From the looks of the investigation, I don't think he started with any.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:59 PM on 12/23/2008
- Grunty1 I'm a Fan of Grunty1 216 fans permalink

Remember that Coleman was the guy who changed parties to run in a race between the Democrats wouldn't let him run for it. He literally changed every position he held over night.

His only real position is more power for Norm Coleman.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:11 PM on 12/23/2008
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