AL FRANKEN RECOUNT LEAD: Final Count Still Needs To Be Settled

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BRIAN BAKST | December 23, 2008 11:12 PM EST | AP

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ST. PAUL, Minn. — Minnesota voters won't know who won the state's U.S. Senate race this year, and it's looking more likely that the new Congress will be sworn in before the race ends between Democrat Al Franken and Republican incumbent Norm Coleman.

The state Canvassing Board on Tuesday scheduled a Jan. 5 meeting and its chairman said the panel's work could spill into Jan. 6 _ the day the next Congress convenes.

Franken leads Coleman with an increasingly small number of ballots yet to consider. Franken finished the day up 47 votes, according to a preliminary report by the secretary of state's office. An earlier report by the office had placed the margin at 48 votes, but the Canvassing Board made one correction, costing Franken a vote.

For the second time in two weeks, the state Supreme Court got involved in the election, this time hearing arguments over ballots Coleman's campaign claims were double counted.

Secretary of State Mark Ritchie said there is no way the board will certify a winner this year.

"We are not in any way guided by any Washington consideration, timeline," said Ritchie, a Democrat. "These folks have people's lives in their hands."

Coleman's campaign disputed the allocation of some challenged ballots and called some of the board's rulings inconsistent. It said correcting the errors would have produced a 49-vote swing in Coleman's favor.

Franken's campaign has also brought to the board's attention some possible errors, which it says amounts to 43 potential votes in the Democrat's favor.

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The board will meet Dec. 30 to consider the allocation report.

In court Tuesday, Coleman attorney Roger Magnuson argued that dozens of voters in 25 precincts, mostly in Democratic-heavy Minneapolis, may have gotten two votes. The voters had ballots that couldn't be fed through counting machines, so duplicates were made by election judges. Coleman's campaign alleges that both duplicates and originals made it into the recount.

It urged the Supreme Court to reconcile the number of voters with the number of ballots and disqualify ballots when there is a mismatch. "This election will turn on double voting," Magnuson warned.

Justices repeatedly asked Coleman's campaign for hard evidence showing votes were counted twice. Magnuson said he needed a court order forcing the matchup of voter rolls and ballot counts to do that.

"You're asking for extraordinary relief," Justice Paul Anderson told him. "You're asking us to stop the Canvassing Board in its tracks."

Franken attorney Bill Pentelovitch said granting the request would force officials in all of Minnesota's 4,100-plus precincts to redo the recount. He said Coleman's campaign "cherry-picked" precincts in an effort to overturn rules it consented to before the recount.

"What they're really asking is to undo the rules under which this recount was done, and there will be chaos," Pentelovitch told the court.

Justices didn't say when they would rule, but election cases generally get expedited treatment.

Regardless of the outcome of that case, the vote totals could shift again when state officials open as many as 1,600 absentee ballots that were incorrectly rejected on Election Day. Franken's campaign fought for their inclusion, but it is anyone's guess how those votes will break.

The Supreme Court ruled last week that improperly rejected absentee ballots must be included in the state's recount. Under a proposal awaiting ratification, the board would count the ballots that recount officials and the campaigns agree were wrongly excluded from the earlier vote tallies, Ritchie said.

But that process is also laden with problems. Under a Supreme Court ruling last week, either campaign can object to the counting of each of the absentee ballots. The ballot would be set aside unless the voter heads to court for an order to count it, Ritchie said.

The race went into overtime because Coleman led Franken by 215 votes after the Nov. 4 count of about 2.9 million ballots. That was well within the automatic recount law triggered when races are within one half of one percentage point.

ST. PAUL, Minn. — Minnesota voters won't know who won the state's U.S. Senate race this year, and it's looking more likely that the new Congress will be sworn in before the race ends between Dem...
ST. PAUL, Minn. — Minnesota voters won't know who won the state's U.S. Senate race this year, and it's looking more likely that the new Congress will be sworn in before the race ends between Dem...
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In any case, wouldn't you want to award a Senate seat to someone who's NOT going to have to go to jail and so resign the seat anyway (i.e., Coleman). Why not save yourselves the whole headache of having to through this thing all over again in a few months?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:55 PM on 12/23/2008
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    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:53 PM on 12/23/2008
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May I quote you? :)

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:03 PM on 12/23/2008
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Sure, LOL

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:06 PM on 12/23/2008
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The right wingers had won a tight race
But now there's a recount we face
We're starting to win
so lawsuits begin
the right wing is such a disgrace

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:53 PM on 12/23/2008
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Kung fu Santa is pulling youz guyz chain.
Lighten the bleep up.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:51 PM on 12/23/2008
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Yes ma'am! {saluting}

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:55 PM on 12/23/2008
- ere I'm a Fan of ere 50 fans permalink

Look at the sad little tr0lls
Their talking points all full of holes
They bought the lie
But now it's their guy
Who is falling behind in the polls

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    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:50 PM on 12/23/2008
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It's fascinating how consumed some are with demonizing people who don't agree.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:51 PM on 12/23/2008
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yeah, but we let you post here anyway

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    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:54 PM on 12/23/2008
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If the e*vil shoe fits , duck

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:05 PM on 12/23/2008
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Like you are doing right now?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:12 PM on 12/23/2008
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Tommy! Hey there, my bro. Are ya diggin' the Holidays?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:09 PM on 12/23/2008
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Any conservative want to take a shot at outlining a plausible scenario where Coleman can win?

Barring an incredible last minute miracle , Coleman is done.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:48 PM on 12/23/2008
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In this day and age of utterly amazing technology can we please, PLEASE get a system in place to prevent this kind of vote-counting idiocy? Seems like it happens somewhere EVERY election and, to borrow a phrase from Chucky Heston, it's getting to be re-goddamn­-diculous! It's because of this antiquated voting system that we've had to endure 8 years of the worst President in the history of this once proud nation. This is something within our power to fix and I can see no legitimate reason why it hasn't been done yet! Wake up people! It's your vote that's getting lost in the shuffle!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:48 PM on 12/23/2008
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Although one might think that modern technology would hold the key to solving the vote-counting problem, many technologically savvy people looking at the situation say the opposite. There is always a way to (at least try to) steal an election with any known technology. At least some European countries use the very old-fashioned system of counting paper ballots IN PUBLIC VIEW. They sometimes use banks, which already have staff and facilities, and the employees hand-count the ballots under the watchful eyes of citizens representing all parties.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:18 PM on 12/23/2008
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If Al pulls this out, I'll believe in Santa Claus again!

Come on Al!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:47 PM on 12/23/2008
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Boy did you say that in the wrong thread.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:49 PM on 12/23/2008
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lol

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    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:51 PM on 12/23/2008
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Did he ever!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:51 PM on 12/23/2008
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It's better for Minnesota that Franken wins so that they can save money for holding a special election when Coleman goes to jail.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:45 PM on 12/23/2008
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Heh. Good point.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:47 PM on 12/23/2008
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Sad little right wingers cry
Their losses are piling up high
Tried to get elected
Just to be rejected
And they STILL just don't understand why

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    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:45 PM on 12/23/2008
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see what I mean

watch FlungPuSanta cry some more

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    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:53 PM on 12/23/2008
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Can't wait to see Bill O'Reilly say " Senator Al Franken". His head will spin 360 degrees and hurl pea soup.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:44 PM on 12/23/2008
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And yet all the liberals claim they never watch Fox News and OReilly. Yeah right.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:53 PM on 12/23/2008
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no need, all you little tr0ll cowards will bring their talking points here as soon as you hear them

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    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:55 PM on 12/23/2008
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I am proud to say Fox News is blocked at my house. By me. And faithfully I keep it that way.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:59 PM on 12/23/2008
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That's why we have YouTube, we can watch the head spinning/exploding without having to listen to all the RW prop-a-gan-da cr-ap!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:00 PM on 12/23/2008
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All it takes is one poor soul with an internet connection and an incredibly strong gag reflex.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:13 PM on 12/23/2008
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So now you feel qualified to speak for all liberals? I'm liberal and I watch Fox. Bite me.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:14 PM on 12/23/2008
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That's gonna be soooo much fun to see, LOL.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:55 PM on 12/23/2008
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I don't see any scenario where Coleman can prevail. To win he would have to gain a 49 votes in the 130"double count" issue. Highly unlikely. Most likely they will split right down the middle at 50/50 just like the election. The likelihood of Coleman gaining an additional 49 votes in the 1600 absentee ballots is also unlikely. In fact, Coleman is likely to lose votes in the absentee votes which is why his lawyers initially opposed their inclusion. Now they want them included because it is their only remaining hope....a miracle.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:40 PM on 12/23/2008
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I don't like Al Franken because he's (mostly) not funny, and he's arrogant.

Maybe he'll be a good Senator.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:35 PM on 12/23/2008
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All them durn edjumacated arrogant such-and-sos.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:38 PM on 12/23/2008
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well, you know how arrogant those intellectuals are

the nerve of them, walking around knowing stuff

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    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:38 PM on 12/23/2008

HA!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:47 PM on 12/23/2008
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I forgot, arrogance is a celebrated trait amongst the HuffPo set.

Sorry for being turned off by it.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:50 PM on 12/23/2008
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Is Coleman funny? Slightly funny is better than not funny at all.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:46 PM on 12/23/2008
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[I don't like Al Franken because he's (mostly) not funny, and he's arrogant. ]

Franken is the one with the wide smile
Coleman is the one with massive teeth and suits bought for him by another guy.

If you continue to confuse the two, you will never be respected.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:49 PM on 12/23/2008
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I don't know anything about Coleman. My statement wasn't intended to be a contrast of Franken and Coleman.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:52 PM on 12/23/2008
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That's one of the most arrogant comments I've ever seen on Huffpost..­..

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:52 PM on 12/23/2008
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Watch the right wingers losing their minds
As slowly they're beginning to find
That all their frustration
Is from bad education
Because they were the kids left behind

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    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:31 PM on 12/23/2008
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+1

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:37 PM on 12/23/2008
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As the right wing cowards' hopes sink
Rush tells them all what to think
But such was their bruising
In elections they're losing
Quite a few have been driven to drink

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    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:26 PM on 12/23/2008
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