CALIFORNIA BROKE? State Could Run Out Of Money In Two Months, Says Official

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JUDY LIN | 12/23/08 09:15 PM | AP

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California Gov. Arnold Schwarzenegger speaks about delays in funding for infrastructure projects due to the state budget crisis during a news conference near a Sacramento River levee in disrepair in Sacramento, Calif., on Tuesday, Dec. 23, 2008. (AP Photo/Steve Yeater)

SACRAMENTO, Calif. — With Republicans on the sidelines, Gov. Arnold Schwarzenegger and Democratic leaders met Tuesday to fashion a midyear fix for California's swelling budget deficit.

Senate President Pro Tem Darrell Steinberg emerged from the initial round of discussions and told reporters the talks had been positive. Less than a week ago, Schwarzenegger had threatened to veto the Democratic budget plan that is the basis for the current discussions.

"We're all very committed to making an $18 billion dent into this problem before the end of the year," said Steinberg, D-Sacramento. "That's our obligation."

Steinberg said he hoped leaders could reach a deal by the end of the week and planned to resume talks Friday, likely by teleconference because the governor had left California for the Christmas holiday. He said a legislative vote on a compromise could come next week.

The Democratic plan would begin to address the deficit with $9.3 billion in tax and fee increases, $7.3 billion in cuts and another $1.5 billion in labor concessions, court rollbacks and other moves.

Republicans oppose it because of the tax increases. Last week, Schwarzenegger said he would veto it because it failed to include sufficient measures to stimulate the state's economy.

But California's ballooning deficit _ projected to hit $42 billion over the next 18 months _ is leading to severe consequences that have forced Schwarzenegger and Democrats to act quickly.

On Monday, the state controller warned that California will run out of cash within 70 days if lawmakers don't act quickly to bridge the growing divide between revenue and spending.

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Steinberg said he and Assembly Speaker Karen Bass, D-Los Angeles, were willing to give Schwarzenegger more of what he wanted. That could include making concessions on labor rules and environmental regulations to accelerate work on infrastructure projects, agreeing to build more toll roads in the state and expanding help to homeowners facing foreclosure.

The Democratic leaders said they also were trying to accommodate the governor's demands for additional spending cuts, including eliminating two of 14 paid state holidays. Doing so would save an estimated $114 million during this fiscal year and the next one, mostly in overtime costs.

Republicans did not participate in Tuesday's budget negotiations.

Senate Minority Leader Dave Cogdill, R-Modesto, said Republicans would return to the Capitol if a deal were to be reached but said his caucus remained opposed to the package. He and other Republicans believe it is illegal because it contains tax increases yet was passed without a two-thirds vote in the Legislature.

"There's nothing for us to talk about today," said Cogdill, strolling through the Capitol in jeans and a leather jacket.

Anti-tax groups have vowed to sue if Schwarzenegger signs the plan, challenging its legality. Proposition 13, passed by voters 30 years ago, requires a two-thirds vote by lawmakers to raise taxes.

Democrats say they have found a way to get around the two-thirds requirement by claiming their $18 billion plan does not technically increase the amount of taxes on Californians.

Instead, they say it eliminates gas taxes and replaces them with a variety of other charges, including raising the state sales tax by three-quarters of a percentage point, boosting personal income taxes by 2.5 percent, taxing companies that extract oil from California and collecting taxes from independent contractors upfront.

It then replaces the gas taxes with what Democrats call a gasoline fee that would go solely to transportation projects. Because the fee is dedicated to a single purpose, it does not require a two-thirds vote, Democrats say.

Schwarzenegger has said it is necessary to raise taxes, but his opinion about the method contained in the Democratic plan is uncertain. Last week, he called the Democrats' proposal a "terrible budget" that would "punish the people of California." And in a meeting with local leaders in the Central Valley last week, he said their plan included "illegal taxes."

It was not clear Tuesday why the governor had decided to negotiate on a plan that only days ago he said contained provisions that were not legal. His spokesman, Aaron McLear, said Schwarzenegger would not sign anything that is illegal.

After meeting with the Democratic leaders, Schwarzenegger was asked whether he would sign a budget plan that contained tax increases but was passed only by a simple-majority vote.

"I prefer having my Republican friends at the table, and I prefer to get a two-thirds vote. But we do need revenue increases," he said. "To save California, I'm forced to negotiate just with the Democrats. This is the situation I am forced in because of lack of participation by the Republicans."

Schwarzenegger said he would let others debate the plan's legality, ultimately deciding "what is a fee and what is a tax?"

SACRAMENTO, Calif. — With Republicans on the sidelines, Gov. Arnold Schwarzenegger and Democratic leaders met Tuesday to fashion a midyear fix for California's swelling budget deficit. Senate P...
SACRAMENTO, Calif. — With Republicans on the sidelines, Gov. Arnold Schwarzenegger and Democratic leaders met Tuesday to fashion a midyear fix for California's swelling budget deficit. Senate P...
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- Ljeff79 I'm a Fan of Ljeff79 2 fans permalink

Has anyone read the Shock Doctrine?

I'm reading it right now, and I just got through the chapter about Pinochet's Chile. The intentional economic crash created in Chile bears some resemblance to what we are going through right now,. When I read about Pinochet's bailout package a chill went down my spine!

California has such a large economy that if it slips in the next quarter the wave it sends through the country could be a large scale economic disaster.

Has anybody wondered if this could all be by design? Not to be a conspiracy theorist about it, but with so much of the power in the western world held by like minded politicians over the last decade you have to start to wonder why this is happening now. It's especially suspicious to me that the worst of it is coming in time with a more progressive congress and president coming in.

The monetary system is so over complicated that the average person can never fully understand it. Come to think about it, it's kind of crazy that they were able to hold back information of the fact that we have been in a recession for over a year now. The elections come up and *boom* the sky is falling!

If there was behind the scenes manipulation most of the people would never know, especially with the state of the media today.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:57 PM on 12/23/2008
- hkochii I'm a Fan of hkochii 4 fans permalink
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For years marijuana has been the biggest cash crop in California. The lost taxes from this resource could reverse the state’s economic woes. Keep in mind; nobody has EVER died from an overdose of marijuana. The only reason marijuana was made illegal and is being kept illegal is to keep industrial hemp out of the market place. Hemp oil can replace 98% of the oil we pump out of the ground. Rudolph Diesel developed his engine to run on vegetable oil, primarily hemp oil, not hydrocarbon fuel. Hemp seed and oil are the most nutritious foods on the planet. Hemp is one of the fastest growing plants on the planet. Hemp is a soil rejuvenator, not a soil deplete. Hemp can be used as a rotational crop for all other crops. Hemp requires almost no pesticides, herbicides or fertilizer to grow well. Hemp can be grown virtually everywhere between the Arctic and Antarctic circles. Hemp can feed, clothe and shelter the starving millions around the world. Much more information about this miracle plant is available in the book, “The Emperor Wears No Clothes” by Jack Herer. www.jackherer.com

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:56 PM on 12/23/2008
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Amen...legalize it!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:06 PM on 12/23/2008
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Don't worry everyone our Millionaire Governor is going to exact a 10% wage cut on State employees; most of us struggling to pay bills and keep a roof over our heads. As usual balance the budget on the backs of working people.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:46 PM on 12/23/2008
- MargaretO I'm a Fan of MargaretO 3 fans permalink

10% cut. That's a pretty big cut. I'm sorry to hear that. I don't know how it is in California, but in my state the state wages are at least 10 - 20% lower than the equivalent private sector job and it's years before we get any increase unless it is an offset.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:07 PM on 12/23/2008
- Free2Speak I'm a Fan of Free2Speak 7 fans permalink
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C'mon where's the "wipeout photo..put it back on the front page.it a great photo about the golden state.We really had a lot of converasations about it.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:21 PM on 12/23/2008
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Yeah, I thought that was pretty tasteless.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:04 PM on 12/23/2008
- Ray46 I'm a Fan of Ray46 5 fans permalink

And Arnold Schwarzenegger wants to be the US president, no way.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:12 PM on 12/23/2008
- petey64 I'm a Fan of petey64 6 fans permalink

Even if California is given a bailout...you know the magic bullit so many other corps are getting they still do not have a budget in place that would reduce spending enough to break even and that is not Arnold's fault, California is a one party state with the only saving grace for most of us is the 2/3 vote to raise taxes and the idea that people would pay more in taxes to have better schools is already in place here, i have two school age children and we are asked every year to specifically donate a certain amount of money and materials to each class so now on top of that we must not only donate to public schools but also pay more in taxes so it can go to the teachers unions and some other BS program and again the clothing, feeding and educating of the third world....for you folks who do not live in the Los Angeles area as i do you have absolutely no idea what is really going on here.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:37 PM on 12/23/2008

I don't guess a bake sale would help. Maybe everybody in LA could hold a car wash. There's always a solution when you think outside that box.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:31 PM on 12/23/2008
- JonRaymond I'm a Fan of JonRaymond 4 fans permalink
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a $40 billion bake sale. yeah right.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:42 PM on 12/23/2008

Arnold is the Dubya of The West. He should resign!!!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:20 PM on 12/23/2008
- petey64 I'm a Fan of petey64 6 fans permalink

Sunshine you need to come to Los Angeles and stay awhile, your attitude would change......you don't know what you are talking about

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:38 PM on 12/23/2008
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LA County has the biggest amount of people locked up in the country, and in the world, at the cost of $60,000 a year for every prisoner , statewide. The prison industrial complex's thriving in CA, existing on state and federal taxpayer's money. A TOTAL scam that Californians should wake up and kick.
Legalizing Pot at least to a misdemeanor like in the 1970's would free up thousands in jail and under legal process who don't even belong in that situation. It's been estimated this alone would free up close to a billion dollars for the state, but Arnie and the rethugs are a bunch of pigs who lock everybody up who gets in their way with their ridiculous, ineffective war on drugs.
If they completely legalized Pot and taxed it, it would significantly cut major crime on the border, and this would also bring in billions.
So what if rightwingers scream, yelling bloody murder. They're squirrels who don't know how to maintain.. expect that, even announce publicly that yes, people may get a little out of hand, but the novelty will wear off- because guess what? .... It would.


UPDATE:
Crazyv Says, spot on: "We can... work on reducing use by education much as we have done with cigarettes. What does it say about our efforts to date that if you're underage it's easier to get pot then cigarettes."

That's what I'm talkin' about... Common sense !!!

It's all about the money. Wake up, California. Get your karma right.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:59 PM on 12/23/2008
- larry278 I'm a Fan of larry278 43 fans permalink

So, does Mejico get all of Ca or not?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:54 PM on 12/23/2008

Let the Recall begin!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:05 PM on 12/23/2008

Yeah, because if you are stupid enough to believe 1 person is at fault for the mess called California, you are stupid enough to ask for a recall.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:17 PM on 12/23/2008
- studlyguy I'm a Fan of studlyguy 9 fans permalink

Isn't that what they meaning you're people do to Grey Davis,.KARMA is a b*tch,isn't it!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:39 PM on 12/23/2008

Arnold IS responsible. He's the Governor, but he doesn't know how to govern. Everytime Arnold refuses to sign the budget on time, interest payments accrue on the debt. He does nothing when the budget is late and now that we are about to go into default, he starts blaming the legislature.

Arnols is the only only who can sign the budget! He should have signed this budget in JULY! And now billions in interest payments have accrued. And the media will not criticize him at all because his wife is related to the Kennedys.

Get a clue!!!!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:18 PM on 12/23/2008

teamwork
compromise
and a dash of follow the leader
preferably before the tidal wave

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:58 PM on 12/23/2008

Here are the biggest buget drains in CA and why you have a problem:

A. Entitlement spending (Government handouts)
B. Illegal immigration (Help kill A & C)
C. Education (constant thinking that more money means better schools)

http://www.ebudget.ca.gov/Enacted/agencies.html

Raising taxes to meet stupidity in spending over the last 15 years would be hilarious.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:30 PM on 12/23/2008

This is total nonsense. The biggest drain on the budget is interest payments on the debt.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:22 PM on 12/23/2008
- petey64 I'm a Fan of petey64 6 fans permalink

The problems we are having here in California are fixable, but first we have to have an honest electorate that respects the very people they governing, the people pass propositions and if enough people don't like it they just get it tossed out by a friendly judge, the state budget has gone up more than 40% in the last 5 years yet money spent per child on education is one of the worst in the nation and now we have people blaming the Republicans for not raising taxes and the Democrats want to call taxes fees, c'mon people would you really want to be saddled with a sales tax of 10%...thats what the Democrats want out here.......this state has a true dysfunctional governing system, this state needs to roll back it's budget and a good start is to put prop, 187 in full swing because we can no longer afford to feed, clothe, educate the third world.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:58 PM on 12/23/2008

"the state budget has gone up more than 40% in the last 5 years yet money spent per child on education is one of the worst in the nation"

Actually it is not, per pupil spending is right in the middle.

BTW, do you have a link to more money being thrown at education meaning better education? Inner-city schools always have the highest per pupil spending and the lowest graduation rates.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:22 PM on 12/23/2008

K-12 education spending in CA has been CUT every year that Arnold has been in office. Don't listen to right wing propaganda.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:29 PM on 12/23/2008
- petey64 I'm a Fan of petey64 6 fans permalink

yeah well look at the numbers when you take administrative costs out of the picture.....please tell us those numbers.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:45 PM on 12/23/2008

I would be willing to pay higher sales taxes to have good schools. Cutting education just increases crime. Republicans always ruin the economy. It never fails.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:24 PM on 12/23/2008

Having name recognition and success in films does not mean that one will be successful in government and governing. Arnold Schwarzenegger's performance is proof of this.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:46 PM on 12/23/2008
- Telemachus I'm a Fan of Telemachus 103 fans permalink

So was Ronald Reagan's.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:12 PM on 12/23/2008
- Telemachus I'm a Fan of Telemachus 103 fans permalink

test

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:15 PM on 12/23/2008

Sure would be great if you could honestly believe that 1 person was responsible for this mess wouldn't it?

BTW, who were the other choices? Didn't they include a midget and porn star?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:23 PM on 12/23/2008
- JonRaymond I'm a Fan of JonRaymond 4 fans permalink
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Gray Davis?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:49 PM on 12/23/2008

You're right. He is a Total Failure.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:36 PM on 12/23/2008
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