CALIFORNIA BROKE? State Could Run Out Of Money In Two Months, Says Official

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JUDY LIN | 12/23/08 09:15 PM | AP

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California Gov. Arnold Schwarzenegger speaks about delays in funding for infrastructure projects due to the state budget crisis during a news conference near a Sacramento River levee in disrepair in Sacramento, Calif., on Tuesday, Dec. 23, 2008. (AP Photo/Steve Yeater)

SACRAMENTO, Calif. — With Republicans on the sidelines, Gov. Arnold Schwarzenegger and Democratic leaders met Tuesday to fashion a midyear fix for California's swelling budget deficit.

Senate President Pro Tem Darrell Steinberg emerged from the initial round of discussions and told reporters the talks had been positive. Less than a week ago, Schwarzenegger had threatened to veto the Democratic budget plan that is the basis for the current discussions.

"We're all very committed to making an $18 billion dent into this problem before the end of the year," said Steinberg, D-Sacramento. "That's our obligation."

Steinberg said he hoped leaders could reach a deal by the end of the week and planned to resume talks Friday, likely by teleconference because the governor had left California for the Christmas holiday. He said a legislative vote on a compromise could come next week.

The Democratic plan would begin to address the deficit with $9.3 billion in tax and fee increases, $7.3 billion in cuts and another $1.5 billion in labor concessions, court rollbacks and other moves.

Republicans oppose it because of the tax increases. Last week, Schwarzenegger said he would veto it because it failed to include sufficient measures to stimulate the state's economy.

But California's ballooning deficit _ projected to hit $42 billion over the next 18 months _ is leading to severe consequences that have forced Schwarzenegger and Democrats to act quickly.

On Monday, the state controller warned that California will run out of cash within 70 days if lawmakers don't act quickly to bridge the growing divide between revenue and spending.

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Steinberg said he and Assembly Speaker Karen Bass, D-Los Angeles, were willing to give Schwarzenegger more of what he wanted. That could include making concessions on labor rules and environmental regulations to accelerate work on infrastructure projects, agreeing to build more toll roads in the state and expanding help to homeowners facing foreclosure.

The Democratic leaders said they also were trying to accommodate the governor's demands for additional spending cuts, including eliminating two of 14 paid state holidays. Doing so would save an estimated $114 million during this fiscal year and the next one, mostly in overtime costs.

Republicans did not participate in Tuesday's budget negotiations.

Senate Minority Leader Dave Cogdill, R-Modesto, said Republicans would return to the Capitol if a deal were to be reached but said his caucus remained opposed to the package. He and other Republicans believe it is illegal because it contains tax increases yet was passed without a two-thirds vote in the Legislature.

"There's nothing for us to talk about today," said Cogdill, strolling through the Capitol in jeans and a leather jacket.

Anti-tax groups have vowed to sue if Schwarzenegger signs the plan, challenging its legality. Proposition 13, passed by voters 30 years ago, requires a two-thirds vote by lawmakers to raise taxes.

Democrats say they have found a way to get around the two-thirds requirement by claiming their $18 billion plan does not technically increase the amount of taxes on Californians.

Instead, they say it eliminates gas taxes and replaces them with a variety of other charges, including raising the state sales tax by three-quarters of a percentage point, boosting personal income taxes by 2.5 percent, taxing companies that extract oil from California and collecting taxes from independent contractors upfront.

It then replaces the gas taxes with what Democrats call a gasoline fee that would go solely to transportation projects. Because the fee is dedicated to a single purpose, it does not require a two-thirds vote, Democrats say.

Schwarzenegger has said it is necessary to raise taxes, but his opinion about the method contained in the Democratic plan is uncertain. Last week, he called the Democrats' proposal a "terrible budget" that would "punish the people of California." And in a meeting with local leaders in the Central Valley last week, he said their plan included "illegal taxes."

It was not clear Tuesday why the governor had decided to negotiate on a plan that only days ago he said contained provisions that were not legal. His spokesman, Aaron McLear, said Schwarzenegger would not sign anything that is illegal.

After meeting with the Democratic leaders, Schwarzenegger was asked whether he would sign a budget plan that contained tax increases but was passed only by a simple-majority vote.

"I prefer having my Republican friends at the table, and I prefer to get a two-thirds vote. But we do need revenue increases," he said. "To save California, I'm forced to negotiate just with the Democrats. This is the situation I am forced in because of lack of participation by the Republicans."

Schwarzenegger said he would let others debate the plan's legality, ultimately deciding "what is a fee and what is a tax?"

SACRAMENTO, Calif. — With Republicans on the sidelines, Gov. Arnold Schwarzenegger and Democratic leaders met Tuesday to fashion a midyear fix for California's swelling budget deficit. Senate P...
SACRAMENTO, Calif. — With Republicans on the sidelines, Gov. Arnold Schwarzenegger and Democratic leaders met Tuesday to fashion a midyear fix for California's swelling budget deficit. Senate P...
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- MadamRoma I'm a Fan of MadamRoma 11 fans permalink

Oh this just cannot be, Arnold was suppose to be California's savior. He was going to do wonderful things with the budget, things Gray Davis could never think of doing. He has succeeded in doing what Davis could never do, he has bankrupted the Golden State. Congratulations Arnold for putting California on a fast track to implosion city. Isn't this where Lawrence Welk steps in and says, Wonderful, Wonderful, turn on the bubble machine, the little champagne lady is about to dance.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:45 PM on 12/23/2008

You must be really uniformed or stupid to think that 1 person could make this happen . . . which is it?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:24 PM on 12/23/2008

When one person has the power to sign ,or not sign a budget, then yes, one person has the power to bankrupt the fifth largest economy in the world.

Arnold=incompetent!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:25 PM on 12/23/2008
- MadamRoma I'm a Fan of MadamRoma 11 fans permalink

....and you have the wisdom of the ages, hello Maria how are you doing, say hello to your husband "The terminator", you know the one that terminated the state of California. Wake up, ignorance is not a terminal disease, you can be helped.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:15 PM on 12/23/2008
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LA County has the biggest amount of people locked up in the country, and in the world, at the cost of $60,000 a year for every prisoner in custody. The prison industrial complex is thriving in CA, existing on federal taxpayer's money. This is a scam of incredible proportions that Californians should wake up and kick down the road.
Legalizing Pot at least to a misdemeanor like it was in the 1970's would free up thousands in jail and under legal process who don't even belong there, or in that situation. It's been estimated this alone would free up close to a billion dollars for the state, but Arnie and the rethugs are a bunch of pigs who feel that they should lock everybody up who gets in their way with this ridiculous ineffective war on drugs.
If they completely legalized Pot and taxed the hell out of it, it would significantly cut major crime on the border, especially in Mexico, and this would also bring in billions.
So what if rightwingers screamed and yelled bloody murder. They're squirrels who don't know how to maintain anyway. - You should expect that, even announce publicly that yes, people may get a little out of hand, but the novelty will wear off- because it would.
It's all about the money. Wake up, California. Get your karma right.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:43 PM on 12/23/2008
- comebackid I'm a Fan of comebackid 6 fans permalink

History will look back on cannabis prohibition the same way it sees Jim Crow Laws.

Driven by bad info, stereo types and politically profitable.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:51 PM on 12/23/2008
- philinburb I'm a Fan of philinburb 3 fans permalink

The first state to legalize and tax ganja will become the tourist mecca of the western hemisphere. Put that in your pipe a smoke it. Get the feds out of state's rights.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:23 PM on 12/23/2008
- crazyv I'm a Fan of crazyv 8 fans permalink

while we are at it maybe should end the other stupid war- the war on drugs..

It has been an abysmal failure, corrupted our police and judiciary and destroyed several other countries in the bargain.
We might be able to kill two birds with one stone-by the opium of the growers in Afghanistan (keeping it out of the hands of the Taliban) and sell it to drug addicts in the US . We can then work on reducing use by education much as we have done with cigarettes. What does it say about our efforts to date that if you are underage it is easier to get pot then cigarettes.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:04 PM on 12/23/2008

"LA County has the biggest amount of people locked up in the country, and in the world, at the cost of $60,000 a year for every prisoner in custody."

Yeah, let them out, they wouldn't riot or anything would they?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:25 PM on 12/23/2008
- JonRaymond I'm a Fan of JonRaymond 5 fans permalink
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Pot smokers don't riot. Duh.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:51 PM on 12/23/2008
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The irony is: the legal immigrants that many have issues with voted Schwarzenegger into office -- without their participation in the electoral process there may not have been a recall.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:38 PM on 12/23/2008
- who38 I'm a Fan of who38 67 fans permalink

Thanks for the comment. You are right. Hadn't thought of that but it is well worth considering.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:49 PM on 12/23/2008
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Absolutely right, Freedomscap.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:35 PM on 12/23/2008

Illegal immigrants can't vote. Arnold supporters are not too bright or well informed.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:31 PM on 12/23/2008
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I wrote: legal immigrants. Hello: reading comprehension and you have the nerve to talk about people being not too bright.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:46 PM on 12/23/2008

The California budget problem is mainly due to the rampant growth of the administrator class in state government. It seems that more and more administrative positions have been created over the last few decades at the expense of jobs that actually serve the taxpayer. I am a professor at one of the Cal-State universities and simultaneous with the announcement that students have to pay 10% more for tuition and fees, a freeze on faculty hires and salaries, and a reduction in enrollment of 10,000 students; there were other announcements that university vice presidents got a 19% raise and the creation of 10 more vice president positions (to be paid $250,000/yr). Assuming that all other branches of state government work the same way, California is in a world of hurt. Ordering supplies for my laboratory is a nightmare because it takes at least six weeks for my orders to make their way through the system. For example, the processing costs for an order of tissues for my lab cost more than the tissues themselves. This is utterly ridiculous! My view is that most of California's budget woes can be solved by a detailed review of ALL administrative positions with those deemed un-necessary for the functioning of state government to be eliminated!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:38 PM on 12/23/2008
- who38 I'm a Fan of who38 67 fans permalink

LAUSD is in the same position. They now have so many "consultants" that eat up the general fund, there is little left for the students or their teachers.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:50 PM on 12/23/2008
- petey64 I'm a Fan of petey64 6 fans permalink

Geo you are absolutely correct, the administrative is way over the top here.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:24 PM on 12/23/2008

It is the same at UC. Nothing for the rank and file and no expense spared for the administrators. Our new president came in with a compensation package of nearly a million dollars a year. The UC lawyers got a hefty raise this year, presumably so they will toe the line and keep churning out justifications for obscene remuneration for the elites. The legislature should revoke UC's autonomy and make it more accountable.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:32 PM on 12/23/2008

There is nothing wrong with UC. The Republicans are anti-intellectual and they hate universities unless thaey are religious like Bob Jones University.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:33 PM on 12/23/2008

So trickle down is alive and well in public spending.
WHY ????

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:19 PM on 12/23/2008
- GeorgeP922 I'm a Fan of GeorgeP922 108 fans permalink
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This is good news, California is going to conservative, a bankruptcy will wake up the voters to their utter incompetance (the voters adn the politicians)

In the end, I have said for years too, California needs to be split into two states.
It will be good politically and financially.

Politically it would do wonders for progressives. Alot of extremist and racist repubilcans litter the southern region (mostly in San Diego and Malibu, remember the Obama Bux scandal with the GOP?) but only enough to get annoying.

Give them a smaller region and they will feel emboldened to run, that in turn will get more serious progressives to run against them, and if Obama run proved anything is, If you run a guy who's ideas are failing right NOW, and has no new ideas, you will win.
These inexperienced republicans will run, they will lose and become marginalized.

Maybe just maybe, California might also get rid of the RIDICULOUS voter proposition BS, if we are going to have Direct Democracy legistlation, then please just disband half your congress if you think the people are so smart.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:35 PM on 12/23/2008
- who38 I'm a Fan of who38 67 fans permalink

But the Republicans will buy the elections in the south, just as the DINO Dems bought Pelosi's election in the north.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:52 PM on 12/23/2008

Republicans actually want a total collapse of the economy and government. LOSERS!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:34 PM on 12/23/2008

You are wrong. If California goes into default, nobody will blame liberals. They will blame Republicans. Everybody knows that Republicans are crooks who screw up the economy. And Arnold's political career will be over! Not even his wife will be able to repair it!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:38 PM on 12/23/2008
- JonRaymond I'm a Fan of JonRaymond 5 fans permalink
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his career is over.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:54 PM on 12/23/2008
- studlyguy I'm a Fan of studlyguy 9 fans permalink

Good with the illigal alien problem and Mayor Newsom of S.F. allowing safe havens, and Schwarzeneggar given them safe haven and preference to bleeding this state dry with collecting benefits that should be going to people born in America ,and also so the politicians can keep wages low so all business types can get their cheap labor ,while California is one of the most expensive states to live in,it's no wonder it is no longer desirable place to live over crowding .polluted,­overpriced­,I read more people are leaving this state then coming in,cause it's over for California, wages to low and high cost of living to expensive for a place that is not worth it,California has been ruined from all the things I stated above ,Californias time has come and is now GONE !

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:35 PM on 12/23/2008
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Let us not forget, in this somber revision of California's recent past, that in 2000, when DEMOCRAT Gray Davis was Governor, California had an $8 BILLION dollar SURPLUS. He was against the energy deregulation, something Repubs were ALL for.

Then the manipulated energy crisis began in December 2000, depleting CA of it's surplus in just two months. Bush was poised to steal the election with help from his family friends in SCOTUS, Gray Davis FOUGHT for a meeting with a Repub dominated congressional meeting (didn't get it until the Dems briefly held the majority due to the courageous act by Sen. Jim Jeffers to got Independent) and Enron and other energy giants continued to gouge the west draining more dollars from CA coffers.

Schwarzenegger came riding in on his white Humvee to save the day, promised to "go to the WH to get some of our money back", Bush sent him home with empty pockets and tail between his legs, and, well, the rest is now history.

Good job trusting Repubs Californians! :wink and thumbs up:

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:45 PM on 12/23/2008
- shela88 I'm a Fan of shela88 13 fans permalink
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The beginning of the end for California was the day the wealthy right wing Republicans decided to oust Governor Davis and replace him with an aging movie actor named Arnold Schwarzenegger, Arnold is a prime example of the need to shorten term limits. He bought his way into the voter's hearts by eliminating the car tax and we sure could use some of that extra revenue now. Arnold is a billionaire, bought and paid for by special interests, who globe trots in his private jet, guests on the Tonight show and rarely misses a photo-op but as a Governor he is a disgrace and he has messed up a beautiful state that we used to be very proud of. Knowing what we know now, there is no way Arnold could become Governor.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:33 PM on 12/23/2008
- CUL8R I'm a Fan of CUL8R 18 fans permalink
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$42 billion is a pretty big miscalculation.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:21 PM on 12/23/2008

Times are changing, and there is nothing we can due about it. People are more confused and divided then ever, the economic/ political arena is just following the trend.
The world and our lives are disorganized and uncontrollable, and none of us during our lifetime will ever understand anything or have any difinative answers, we are all left with just an opinion, none of them are concret, there just opinions.
Except the fact thet your life means nothing and you are insignificant. Maybe when we are all equally worthless will be able to really solve the problems that face California and the nation.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:18 PM on 12/23/2008
- cloudmaker I'm a Fan of cloudmaker 64 fans permalink
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California broke? Hey, isn't that the state with the governor who wants to
be president of the United States? Doesn't he realize that we don't need
another leader who can't manage money? Sheeesh!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:11 PM on 12/23/2008
- emerywood I'm a Fan of emerywood 4 fans permalink

This is democracy at work. This is what the people want. This is the form of government that
we choose to have. Well, let's hope it is not like the free market capitalism which led us to
self-destruction and years of misery to come !

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:28 PM on 12/23/2008

What does free market capitalism have to do with Government budget problems or for that matter any of the bailouts?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:05 PM on 12/23/2008

Can't they get a loan from David Geffen or something?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:22 PM on 12/23/2008

And why would any investor want to invest in the state of CA?

The same reason no one wants to invest in GM.

Waste of money, they are on the same track.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:04 PM on 12/23/2008
- who38 I'm a Fan of who38 67 fans permalink

Many state and municipal bonds are wound up in the derivative mess, so no one really wants to invest right now.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:54 PM on 12/23/2008

This is just the first state, others will follow. The Federal must make it clear it is their problem. Otherwiste taxpayers from other states, even those that don't have a budget problem, will pay for California and others. They need to clean up their own messes, not ask other states to pay for their inaction.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:21 PM on 12/23/2008
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Two giant steps toward managing the budget will never be allowed to happen: cutting off all funding of illegal immigrants and their children and decriminalizing marijuana. We pay out billions every year subsidizing the health and education of illegal immigrants, not to mention how many are incarcerated. But throwing people in prison for posessing drugs has made the prison union a monster, with so much financial support that they'll never give up that profit making machine.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:56 AM on 12/23/2008
- Sarita I'm a Fan of Sarita 19 fans permalink

California used to have terrific school, great roads, and yes, affordable housing. What happened? Today the infrastructure is falling apart, the schools are pathetic, and housing is out of control even with falling prices. Clearly the housing prices are a huge part of the problem - prices are way out of line with inflation adjustments over the past 40 years. However, the real problem with this is that the legislative process doesn't allow for either side to win an argument and so there is gridlock. This happened with Grey Davis and now it is happening to Arnold. Something needs to give here. Another point, I don't believe that California's taxes are out of line with other states. Property taxes in Minnesota or Wisconsin, for example. I don't think anyone wants to compare California to Mississippi or New Mexico - that isn't realistic. But both sides need to look for a solution instead of digging in which isn't going to help anyone when the state goes into bankruptcy in two months.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:42 AM on 12/23/2008
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Also, way too many people -- I was born and raised in CA.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:57 AM on 12/23/2008
- who38 I'm a Fan of who38 67 fans permalink

Aren't property taxes in Minnesota very, very high? And can't they be raised by the City or State government officials without consulting the taxpayer? Maybe it is time that California property tax payers learn about what is going on in the rest of the country...­.if he are too young to remember pre-Prop. 13 days. All things being equal, it would easier to pay a higher sales tax than to try to outguess the legislature re/property taxes, and it would be more equitable to renters who cannot take the property tax deduction but would certainly find the taxes built into their rent.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:01 PM on 12/23/2008
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