CALIFORNIA BROKE? State Could Run Out Of Money In Two Months, Says Official

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JUDY LIN | 12/23/08 09:15 PM | AP

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California Gov. Arnold Schwarzenegger speaks about delays in funding for infrastructure projects due to the state budget crisis during a news conference near a Sacramento River levee in disrepair in Sacramento, Calif., on Tuesday, Dec. 23, 2008. (AP Photo/Steve Yeater)

SACRAMENTO, Calif. — With Republicans on the sidelines, Gov. Arnold Schwarzenegger and Democratic leaders met Tuesday to fashion a midyear fix for California's swelling budget deficit.

Senate President Pro Tem Darrell Steinberg emerged from the initial round of discussions and told reporters the talks had been positive. Less than a week ago, Schwarzenegger had threatened to veto the Democratic budget plan that is the basis for the current discussions.

"We're all very committed to making an $18 billion dent into this problem before the end of the year," said Steinberg, D-Sacramento. "That's our obligation."

Steinberg said he hoped leaders could reach a deal by the end of the week and planned to resume talks Friday, likely by teleconference because the governor had left California for the Christmas holiday. He said a legislative vote on a compromise could come next week.

The Democratic plan would begin to address the deficit with $9.3 billion in tax and fee increases, $7.3 billion in cuts and another $1.5 billion in labor concessions, court rollbacks and other moves.

Republicans oppose it because of the tax increases. Last week, Schwarzenegger said he would veto it because it failed to include sufficient measures to stimulate the state's economy.

But California's ballooning deficit _ projected to hit $42 billion over the next 18 months _ is leading to severe consequences that have forced Schwarzenegger and Democrats to act quickly.

On Monday, the state controller warned that California will run out of cash within 70 days if lawmakers don't act quickly to bridge the growing divide between revenue and spending.

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Steinberg said he and Assembly Speaker Karen Bass, D-Los Angeles, were willing to give Schwarzenegger more of what he wanted. That could include making concessions on labor rules and environmental regulations to accelerate work on infrastructure projects, agreeing to build more toll roads in the state and expanding help to homeowners facing foreclosure.

The Democratic leaders said they also were trying to accommodate the governor's demands for additional spending cuts, including eliminating two of 14 paid state holidays. Doing so would save an estimated $114 million during this fiscal year and the next one, mostly in overtime costs.

Republicans did not participate in Tuesday's budget negotiations.

Senate Minority Leader Dave Cogdill, R-Modesto, said Republicans would return to the Capitol if a deal were to be reached but said his caucus remained opposed to the package. He and other Republicans believe it is illegal because it contains tax increases yet was passed without a two-thirds vote in the Legislature.

"There's nothing for us to talk about today," said Cogdill, strolling through the Capitol in jeans and a leather jacket.

Anti-tax groups have vowed to sue if Schwarzenegger signs the plan, challenging its legality. Proposition 13, passed by voters 30 years ago, requires a two-thirds vote by lawmakers to raise taxes.

Democrats say they have found a way to get around the two-thirds requirement by claiming their $18 billion plan does not technically increase the amount of taxes on Californians.

Instead, they say it eliminates gas taxes and replaces them with a variety of other charges, including raising the state sales tax by three-quarters of a percentage point, boosting personal income taxes by 2.5 percent, taxing companies that extract oil from California and collecting taxes from independent contractors upfront.

It then replaces the gas taxes with what Democrats call a gasoline fee that would go solely to transportation projects. Because the fee is dedicated to a single purpose, it does not require a two-thirds vote, Democrats say.

Schwarzenegger has said it is necessary to raise taxes, but his opinion about the method contained in the Democratic plan is uncertain. Last week, he called the Democrats' proposal a "terrible budget" that would "punish the people of California." And in a meeting with local leaders in the Central Valley last week, he said their plan included "illegal taxes."

It was not clear Tuesday why the governor had decided to negotiate on a plan that only days ago he said contained provisions that were not legal. His spokesman, Aaron McLear, said Schwarzenegger would not sign anything that is illegal.

After meeting with the Democratic leaders, Schwarzenegger was asked whether he would sign a budget plan that contained tax increases but was passed only by a simple-majority vote.

"I prefer having my Republican friends at the table, and I prefer to get a two-thirds vote. But we do need revenue increases," he said. "To save California, I'm forced to negotiate just with the Democrats. This is the situation I am forced in because of lack of participation by the Republicans."

Schwarzenegger said he would let others debate the plan's legality, ultimately deciding "what is a fee and what is a tax?"

SACRAMENTO, Calif. — With Republicans on the sidelines, Gov. Arnold Schwarzenegger and Democratic leaders met Tuesday to fashion a midyear fix for California's swelling budget deficit. Senate P...
SACRAMENTO, Calif. — With Republicans on the sidelines, Gov. Arnold Schwarzenegger and Democratic leaders met Tuesday to fashion a midyear fix for California's swelling budget deficit. Senate P...
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Well, if all those high earning Actors get together, they can save California can't they?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:35 AM on 12/23/2008
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They're too busy trying to look human by arranging photo ops in Africa.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:36 AM on 12/23/2008
- begabug I'm a Fan of begabug 342 fans permalink
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are you refering to our government?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:37 AM on 12/23/2008
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They could be easily incorporated into Freedomscap statement.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:44 AM on 12/23/2008
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The executives make more than the actors -- imagine that?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:38 AM on 12/23/2008
- who38 I'm a Fan of who38 71 fans permalink

It's the suits that have the money and most of them don't live in California.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:16 AM on 12/23/2008
- Purcy I'm a Fan of Purcy 10 fans permalink
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Good thing Arnold wants to be president, he can do the same thing for the whole country!!! Good job Arnold!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:32 AM on 12/23/2008
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Aww, he got his hands on the First Edition - first print out, of W's one page book entitled "How to Govern". This book goes into explicit step-by-step details on how to accomplish "the Mission" (whatever it may be).
Here is an exceprt (in full) of the book:
Page 1 - "Screw'em by any means available."

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:41 AM on 12/23/2008
- rcozad I'm a Fan of rcozad 21 fans permalink

Gee the last time they had a budget problem the Republicans insisted on a recall. Now what do they want ...they won?!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:31 AM on 12/23/2008
- DontSpin I'm a Fan of DontSpin 7 fans permalink

On another note, you guys HAVE to read this, now featured under Politics: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/sam-sedaei/on-abortion-pro-choice-is_b_152744.html

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:30 AM on 12/23/2008
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Same-o same-o.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:45 AM on 12/23/2008

California bends over backwards to stop "greenhouse gahses" *big pegged toothed grin*, everyone gets assistance with everything but the rich are allowed to move out of state to avoid big taxes. The overcrowding in the cities is awful, and the fat cats are treated like gods. Sounds like the worst of all possible worlds. Sun, sand, and glorious weather *jumps about like a 6 yr old* Well, not so fast. If you are a small business you get taxed out the ass to start up. A manufacturer? Heh, hope you like regulations. Do you like to smoke (and you are not the governor) FORGET IT, the nannies will get you. So, small businesses leave, fat cats change their residences to places like Nevada (to avoid the ridiculously high taxes) and you have a recipe for a big disaster of a state. I sure wish they would leave the union. Oh, and I am tired of them going bust and having us to bail them out every 20 years or so. I think it would be instructive if they were put on a budget plan (like the rest of us are) and have to climb out of debt that way. A bit of pain might drive the point home: you are an adult, now you can take care of yourself. BTW the fact that the Gov. is a Republican was not lost on me. Just like the rest of the nation, hollar about the "tax and spend" Democrats?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:29 AM on 12/23/2008
- SailFree I'm a Fan of SailFree 29 fans permalink

Note carefully what happens with liberals run government. Note carefully that California already has high taxes. Note carefully that a state (or a country) cannot tax itself into prosperity. Note carefully, Obama!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:28 AM on 12/23/2008
- begabug I'm a Fan of begabug 342 fans permalink
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note carefully, nothing up my sleeve

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:32 AM on 12/23/2008
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Note carefully WTF?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:36 AM on 12/23/2008

Um... i am not sure where you are going with this but is sounds like crap.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:37 AM on 12/23/2008

Would that include tax breaks for the wealthy, off shore accounts and loopholes for big business??

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:40 AM on 12/23/2008
- Mogamboguru I'm a Fan of Mogamboguru 332 fans permalink
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LOL!

You are a joke, Buddy!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:40 AM on 12/23/2008
- Yarrr I'm a Fan of Yarrr 8 fans permalink

Bet they wish they had some of that gay marriage money now.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:27 AM on 12/23/2008

Can't they just add a car chase and make it look totally awesome in post?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:23 AM on 12/23/2008
- MPeter I'm a Fan of MPeter 25 fans permalink

And now the Governator wants to be Prez of the USA. It is amazing how arrogant these imbeciles are.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:26 AM on 12/23/2008
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No, it is amazing that we vote for them. We, are the imbeciles.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:39 AM on 12/23/2008

At the heart of the CA problem is the fact that any budget requires a 60% vote of the state senate. Unfortunately, a handful of doctrinaire and entrenched "no taxes" repubs. are able to hold the state hostage.That, and a variety of other dysfunctions like
-term limits
-a prison guard union out of control
-throw 'em in jail politics
-constitutional limits on local taxes and property taxes
-Arnold's tax give away at the beginning of this term
-lilly liverd leadership by some of the dems
So, CA is looking more and more like a third world country with a third world government. It won't get fixed till we get a radical restructuring of state govt, and don't hold your breath for that.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:23 AM on 12/23/2008
- MNmommy I'm a Fan of MNmommy 403 fans permalink
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Huh, sounds familiar.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:24 AM on 12/23/2008
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The single biggest factor in the on-going California financial mess is Prop 13.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:29 AM on 12/23/2008
- SailFree I'm a Fan of SailFree 29 fans permalink

It would be funny that such a belief, 180 degrees from reality, gaines such traction. It is a testament to the theory of memes, wherein some very infectious memes are nonetheless absolutely false. This website is a distribution center for false but apparently infectious memes.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:34 AM on 12/23/2008
- begabug I'm a Fan of begabug 342 fans permalink
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referendum abuse?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:34 AM on 12/23/2008
- SailFree I'm a Fan of SailFree 29 fans permalink

How do you explain that California has one of the highest tax rates in the country? Could it be that the high taxes drive out the productive? Are the people with higher wages, more money, thus more choices, moving to other states and taking their tax base with them? Do you have any concept at all of reality?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:35 AM on 12/23/2008
- Mogamboguru I'm a Fan of Mogamboguru 332 fans permalink
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Sure.

Tell us where all those "high-income-Californians" have moved to, silly.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:43 AM on 12/23/2008
- ranch111 I'm a Fan of ranch111 7 fans permalink
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JUST LIKE PARADISE
David Lee Roth

Rockin' steady in her daddy's car
She got the stereo with the big guitars
And that's all right (all right)

I got the itch and a restless soul
She gone with the wind
Gonna go for broke tonight
And that's all night

Girl, we've been meant for this
Since we were born
No problems now (the coast is clear)
It's just the calm before the storm

This must be just like livin' in paradise
And I don't want to go home

Suzy, Suzy, girl, for cryin' out loud
You got all the right moves
You make me eat my heart out
Nightly and that's all right with me!

No special favors make it out to cash
We'll spend it later
Got to make this romance last that's it, that's it

Some folks say `easy come is easy go'
(And some folks say)
But one night ain't enough for me
Girl, hang on tight and don't let go

This must be just like livin' in paradise
And I don't want to go home

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:20 AM on 12/23/2008

Thanks Ahhhnold!

"Don't come back!"

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:18 AM on 12/23/2008

This guy does not have a surf board !!!!!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:17 AM on 12/23/2008
- begabug I'm a Fan of begabug 342 fans permalink
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anymore

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:21 AM on 12/23/2008
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All the money spent on the recall election of Davis, so Schwarenegger could get in to ruin the state. Oh well...

That was one wasteful expense.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:17 AM on 12/23/2008
- who38 I'm a Fan of who38 71 fans permalink

Don't forget Bustamente's part in this little fiasco. By running for governor, he decreased the support for Davis. If the Dems had truly hung together, Davis might not have been re-called. BTW/ where is Bustamente?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:24 AM on 12/23/2008
- sunny555 I'm a Fan of sunny555 12 fans permalink
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I am going to tell you what a huge problem in California is: too many immigrants. This is not an anti-immigrant rant; I don't blame them one bit for coming into this country and I'm actually in favor of amnesty. I am just saying that pretty soon, there are going to be more Mexicans in California than natural-born Americans. The numbers are simply staggering, and we pay for the services these people need.

Add this to the fact that California REGULARLY experiences a natural disaster of one sort or another -- wildfires being a major one. Hearing Gov. S. on the news "declaring a state of emergency" is a common occurrence.

The rest of the country is expected to bail out the Golden State time and time again. Why doesn't the mega billionaire film industry step in and help their own?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:16 AM on 12/23/2008
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So why not complain about the employers who are benefiting immensely from the cheap labor and their ability to refuse to provide health care for their undocumented workers? After all, it is really the employers who are benefiting from this situation at the tax payers expense. Place the anger where it is due.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:22 AM on 12/23/2008
- sunny555 I'm a Fan of sunny555 12 fans permalink
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Point taken, but I am not angry. I don't live in CA and wouldn't want to. I agree, employers benefit immensely from the cheap labor. It's a tough situation all around

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:58 AM on 12/23/2008
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In history, bad economic times tend to be blamed on minority groups.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:28 AM on 12/23/2008
- leonyc I'm a Fan of leonyc 3 fans permalink
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This may be so, but this enormous budget hole is not due to immigration and has much more to do with excessive spending, very powerful unions, and the politicians that cannot reach a compromise.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:32 AM on 12/23/2008

No, it has to do with the rich not paying their fair share of taxes, at the state of federal level. Stop blaming the workers. it's the fault of the rich who want to take their money and invest it overseas! That's patriotism for you!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:54 AM on 12/23/2008
- ruthinking I'm a Fan of ruthinking 9 fans permalink

hey, buddy, not all "Mexicans" are immigrants. Further, not all immigrants are here illegally. Also, California used to BE Mexico, and the US came to us, not vice versa.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:33 AM on 12/23/2008
- who38 I'm a Fan of who38 71 fans permalink

Hear, hear. And Spanish was the primary language. Actually, there is a Mexican group that wants to take the entire area back. Think it is called Aztecziontica or something similar?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:29 AM on 12/23/2008

Actually, as a group, immigrants pay much more in taxes than they receive in services and benefits. Besides, unless you are a Native American, you are one of "them."

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:44 AM on 12/23/2008
- BushBites I'm a Fan of BushBites 33 fans permalink

AHHHNOLD!

YOU SUCK!!!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:15 AM on 12/23/2008
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