CALIFORNIA BROKE? State Could Run Out Of Money In Two Months, Says Official

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JUDY LIN | 12/23/08 09:15 PM | AP

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California Gov. Arnold Schwarzenegger speaks about delays in funding for infrastructure projects due to the state budget crisis during a news conference near a Sacramento River levee in disrepair in Sacramento, Calif., on Tuesday, Dec. 23, 2008. (AP Photo/Steve Yeater)

SACRAMENTO, Calif. — With Republicans on the sidelines, Gov. Arnold Schwarzenegger and Democratic leaders met Tuesday to fashion a midyear fix for California's swelling budget deficit.

Senate President Pro Tem Darrell Steinberg emerged from the initial round of discussions and told reporters the talks had been positive. Less than a week ago, Schwarzenegger had threatened to veto the Democratic budget plan that is the basis for the current discussions.

"We're all very committed to making an $18 billion dent into this problem before the end of the year," said Steinberg, D-Sacramento. "That's our obligation."

Steinberg said he hoped leaders could reach a deal by the end of the week and planned to resume talks Friday, likely by teleconference because the governor had left California for the Christmas holiday. He said a legislative vote on a compromise could come next week.

The Democratic plan would begin to address the deficit with $9.3 billion in tax and fee increases, $7.3 billion in cuts and another $1.5 billion in labor concessions, court rollbacks and other moves.

Republicans oppose it because of the tax increases. Last week, Schwarzenegger said he would veto it because it failed to include sufficient measures to stimulate the state's economy.

But California's ballooning deficit _ projected to hit $42 billion over the next 18 months _ is leading to severe consequences that have forced Schwarzenegger and Democrats to act quickly.

On Monday, the state controller warned that California will run out of cash within 70 days if lawmakers don't act quickly to bridge the growing divide between revenue and spending.

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Steinberg said he and Assembly Speaker Karen Bass, D-Los Angeles, were willing to give Schwarzenegger more of what he wanted. That could include making concessions on labor rules and environmental regulations to accelerate work on infrastructure projects, agreeing to build more toll roads in the state and expanding help to homeowners facing foreclosure.

The Democratic leaders said they also were trying to accommodate the governor's demands for additional spending cuts, including eliminating two of 14 paid state holidays. Doing so would save an estimated $114 million during this fiscal year and the next one, mostly in overtime costs.

Republicans did not participate in Tuesday's budget negotiations.

Senate Minority Leader Dave Cogdill, R-Modesto, said Republicans would return to the Capitol if a deal were to be reached but said his caucus remained opposed to the package. He and other Republicans believe it is illegal because it contains tax increases yet was passed without a two-thirds vote in the Legislature.

"There's nothing for us to talk about today," said Cogdill, strolling through the Capitol in jeans and a leather jacket.

Anti-tax groups have vowed to sue if Schwarzenegger signs the plan, challenging its legality. Proposition 13, passed by voters 30 years ago, requires a two-thirds vote by lawmakers to raise taxes.

Democrats say they have found a way to get around the two-thirds requirement by claiming their $18 billion plan does not technically increase the amount of taxes on Californians.

Instead, they say it eliminates gas taxes and replaces them with a variety of other charges, including raising the state sales tax by three-quarters of a percentage point, boosting personal income taxes by 2.5 percent, taxing companies that extract oil from California and collecting taxes from independent contractors upfront.

It then replaces the gas taxes with what Democrats call a gasoline fee that would go solely to transportation projects. Because the fee is dedicated to a single purpose, it does not require a two-thirds vote, Democrats say.

Schwarzenegger has said it is necessary to raise taxes, but his opinion about the method contained in the Democratic plan is uncertain. Last week, he called the Democrats' proposal a "terrible budget" that would "punish the people of California." And in a meeting with local leaders in the Central Valley last week, he said their plan included "illegal taxes."

It was not clear Tuesday why the governor had decided to negotiate on a plan that only days ago he said contained provisions that were not legal. His spokesman, Aaron McLear, said Schwarzenegger would not sign anything that is illegal.

After meeting with the Democratic leaders, Schwarzenegger was asked whether he would sign a budget plan that contained tax increases but was passed only by a simple-majority vote.

"I prefer having my Republican friends at the table, and I prefer to get a two-thirds vote. But we do need revenue increases," he said. "To save California, I'm forced to negotiate just with the Democrats. This is the situation I am forced in because of lack of participation by the Republicans."

Schwarzenegger said he would let others debate the plan's legality, ultimately deciding "what is a fee and what is a tax?"

SACRAMENTO, Calif. — With Republicans on the sidelines, Gov. Arnold Schwarzenegger and Democratic leaders met Tuesday to fashion a midyear fix for California's swelling budget deficit. Senate P...
SACRAMENTO, Calif. — With Republicans on the sidelines, Gov. Arnold Schwarzenegger and Democratic leaders met Tuesday to fashion a midyear fix for California's swelling budget deficit. Senate P...
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Isn't the whole country broke?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:36 AM on 12/23/2008
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Pretty much and after doling out the last of my change for the Yule exchange, I will be too.

In that case, I am buying the bottle of Tequila first.

{Cheesey Smile}

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:38 AM on 12/23/2008
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That's what I thought. Apparently Alaska is doing okay, though.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:38 AM on 12/23/2008
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So is Saudi Arabia. ;0

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:42 AM on 12/23/2008

Since 1971

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:42 AM on 12/23/2008
- piquet I'm a Fan of piquet 14 fans permalink
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When are you people going to realize that Arnold is out of his league...For him to blame EVERYBODY else for a 42 billion dollars oops solidifies him as a Republican. It's always "someone else's fault".
The school of Bush. "the Intelligence was wrong"..."Nobody warned me we were this deep economically".
HAD ENOUGH...Republicans are like those bad middle managers we all have worked for. Bad vision, afraid to do the heavy lifting and make the RIGHT decisions.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:35 AM on 12/23/2008
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You said it piquet! Right on!!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:43 AM on 12/23/2008

You nailed it....out of his league is exactly right ....but then so was Bush!!!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:01 AM on 12/23/2008

The Governator certainly deserves some blame, but to put all the blame on him and ignore the incompetent liberals who run the CA legislature is just blatant partisan dishonesty. The state needs to cut spending now, even layoff government workers if necessary. And the Fed should help by not taking more money from Californians than it gives back to the state.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:04 AM on 12/23/2008
- Mahi Joe I'm a Fan of Mahi Joe 49 fans permalink

This is the man (Arnold) who in a recent interview he still would like to make a run for the presidency. If he can't handle fiscal responsibility in his state how are we to expect him to handle that of the entire nation?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:34 AM on 12/23/2008
- MissTraci I'm a Fan of MissTraci 66 fans permalink

Repubs suffer from delusion of grandeur.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:44 AM on 12/23/2008
- Heavy I'm a Fan of Heavy 245 fans permalink
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I guess he figures it makes him the most qualified republican. Now he just needs some felony convictions and a few seks scandals.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:54 AM on 12/23/2008
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I see a new post opening up. State Comptroller Czar.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:26 AM on 12/23/2008
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Watch it. Regulation is a dirty word you know.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:30 AM on 12/23/2008
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All the news is bad
And the sky is gray
I've been for a walk
On a winter's day

I'd be broke and screwed
If I was in L.A.
California drownin'
On such a winter's day

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:26 AM on 12/23/2008
- partyofone I'm a Fan of partyofone 45 fans permalink

California taxpayers revolted, reduced their "burden" and should now live with the consequences.

NO FEDERAL BAILOUTS FOR MIS-MANAGED STATE GOVERNMENTS, irresponsible state tax policy, and greedy banks paying bonuses instead of making loans.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:18 AM on 12/23/2008
- LCLiberal I'm a Fan of LCLiberal 5 fans permalink

Obama must help all of the states and help the poor and homeless being crippled by these budget crises.

http://www.sunstateactivist.org/ssablog/

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:17 AM on 12/23/2008

How? Amertica is broke.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:42 AM on 12/23/2008
- TheBlackCat I'm a Fan of TheBlackCat 288 fans permalink
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To think, if only all of that cannabis being grown in california was legalized, regulated, and taxed.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:17 AM on 12/23/2008
- MNmommy I'm a Fan of MNmommy 392 fans permalink
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Bingo!!!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:17 AM on 12/23/2008
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What is the difference between legalizing cannabis & decriminalizing it?

I posted once that the change.gov site says Obama has no plans to legalize marijuana. Someone responded that they may decriminalize it.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:19 AM on 12/23/2008
- MNmommy I'm a Fan of MNmommy 392 fans permalink
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If it's decriminalized it's still underground and black market - just not illegal.

If it's legalized it can become another *vice* item and treated like cigarettes or liquor - think about the tax revenues.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:22 AM on 12/23/2008
- TheBlackCat I'm a Fan of TheBlackCat 288 fans permalink
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Decriminalization DOES save money- all that money not going into drug arrests and prosecutions.

But it's not the same as MAKING money, which is what legalization would do.

Although Holland has found a way around that. Cannabis isn't ACTUALLY legal there, it's still only "decriminalized" but they tax it anyways....but their legal structure is different then ours. In America, even states where it's been decriminalized, it's still an underground trade which the government isn't getting taxes from.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:45 AM on 12/23/2008
- theone718 I'm a Fan of theone718 23 fans permalink
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This is EXACTLY the reason people hate government. Instead of STAYING THERE and SOLVING the problem these people bicker and finger point while there state almost crumbles.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:14 AM on 12/23/2008
- BlackJAC I'm a Fan of BlackJAC 71 fans permalink

Time to Totally Recall der Governator!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:12 AM on 12/23/2008

LMFAO!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:13 AM on 12/23/2008
- partyofone I'm a Fan of partyofone 45 fans permalink

It's the State Legislature that sets tax policy.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:19 AM on 12/23/2008
- BlackJAC I'm a Fan of BlackJAC 71 fans permalink

Yet it's the Governor who either greenlights or rejects whatever the legislature comes up with. Plus there's that whole burden-of-command thing where the guy in the Big Chair takes all the flak for whatever happens on his watch, even if he can prove he wasn't involved.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:44 AM on 12/23/2008
- Nan2008 I'm a Fan of Nan2008 6 fans permalink

And Arnold S. has been at the helm for HOW MANY YEARS NOW? And wasn't it Arnold WHO REPLACED A DEMOCRAT, who they all said was doing a terrible job? And ARNOLD WANTS TO BE OUR PRESIDENT....????? OH JUST ANOTHER REPUBLICAN...Why is that the Democrat was accountable, but some how the REPUBLICAN AT THE HELM IS NOT...WHY IS THAT? I've said it before and I"ll say it again, ACCOUNTABILITY ONLY APPLIES WHEN THERE'S A DEMOCRAT IN CHARGE...WHY IS THAT?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:08 AM on 12/23/2008
- partyofone I'm a Fan of partyofone 45 fans permalink

As long as you make the problem Democrats vs. Republicans there is no solution. We have bad government at all levels, and it does not matter what party is in the majority. Corporations are running our government for their own gain at the expense of average citizens, voters, workers, small business owners, WE THE PEOPLE. Pointing partisan fingers fuels divsiions that prevent solutions and keep the corporations and the polticians they own in power.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:22 AM on 12/23/2008
- edgemo I'm a Fan of edgemo 6 fans permalink

You are exactly right. The problem is NOT Democrats vs Republicans. The problem IS Republicans.

In every attempt, in every state, and every administration, they have been a dismal failure, yet still they cling to the 'we know best' mantra. It gives me the feeling that those who call themselves 'Republicans' really are the dumbest, least introspective people on the planet

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:47 AM on 12/23/2008
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For more on that Google Gray Davis. For even more on that Google Chandra Levy:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chandra_Levy

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:34 AM on 12/23/2008

Arnold hasn't had the audacity to stand up and fight the wild spending Democrats and the government worker unions. Arnold has been a bust. Spending has continued it's unjustifiable growth under his administration. He needed to do what was right and chose to go along to get along, bipartisanship.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:56 AM on 12/23/2008
- eleutheros I'm a Fan of eleutheros 5 fans permalink

Prayer is the only answer ...

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:07 AM on 12/23/2008
- Mogamboguru I'm a Fan of Mogamboguru 330 fans permalink
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How can a question be an answer?

Try again.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:09 AM on 12/23/2008
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Prayer isn't a question, if you are telling G O D what to do.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:12 AM on 12/23/2008
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I checked your profile. This post seems oddly out of place. What's up?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:29 AM on 12/23/2008
- eleutheros I'm a Fan of eleutheros 5 fans permalink

Sarcasm ...

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:21 PM on 12/23/2008
- rkimball I'm a Fan of rkimball 5 fans permalink

in two months all states exept for alaska will be bankrupt.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:05 AM on 12/23/2008
- postedby I'm a Fan of postedby 5 fans permalink

Palin 2012

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:38 AM on 12/23/2008
- rkimball I'm a Fan of rkimball 5 fans permalink

not so much because of palin's policies as it is oil revenues coming in to keep the state in the black.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:56 AM on 12/24/2008
- dreffein I'm a Fan of dreffein 19 fans permalink
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I don't know how many of you live in CA but I do. There is a simple solution for our cash flow problem - for at least the last 15 years, CA has received back only 75% of the federal tax dollars Californians pay - contrast that with states like Alaska, New Mexico (both of whom receive $2 back for every dollar paid in taxes), and most southern states. Basically, CA, like most of the big blue states (NY, NJ and IL) provide subsidies to a lot of the red parts of the country. Give us our fair share and this problem disappears.

P.S. For those who think this is a one party rule state, we have a Republican governor and Democratic assembly.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:58 AM on 12/23/2008
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I knew that. I was trying to get rollingdivision to walk into the wall.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:59 AM on 12/23/2008
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It needs help?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:13 AM on 12/23/2008
- partyofone I'm a Fan of partyofone 45 fans permalink

CA has also cut drasticly the state taxes and property taxes its citizens. New York is seeking to balance its budget by raising taxes and fees. It is a harsh reality that the nation, states, communities, and indviduals are LIVING BEYOND THEIR MEANS. One thing for ceratin is that the federal government borrowing more money is not the solution.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:26 AM on 12/23/2008
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Cowabunga dudes! Is that a tsunami?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:57 AM on 12/23/2008
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I had to log on to make sure that wasn't O in the surf. Headed for OH for the holidays to love on my babies! Have a very merry!!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:59 AM on 12/23/2008
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Babs -- have a wonderful Xmas!!! Drive safe in OH -- roads are icy in NE Indiana..

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:01 AM on 12/23/2008
- MNmommy I'm a Fan of MNmommy 392 fans permalink
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Merry Christkwaanzukah!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:02 AM on 12/23/2008
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Merry Christmas Babs! Be safe & warm. Enjoy the babies.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:06 AM on 12/23/2008
- Mahi Joe I'm a Fan of Mahi Joe 49 fans permalink

If that was O on the surfboard the headline would have read..Obama on $500 surfboard during his vacation in Hawaii during his stay in a $9 million dollar home.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:10 AM on 12/23/2008
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Mele Kalikimaka to you and your babies Babs.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zM5iiuQOMyg

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:34 AM on 12/23/2008
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Waimea Bay, Oahu, Hawaii

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:00 AM on 12/23/2008
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Wow.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:02 AM on 12/23/2008
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In November as well.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:05 AM on 12/23/2008
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