Child maid trafficking spreads from Africa to US

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RUKMINI CALLIMACHI | 12/28/08 08:23 PM | AP

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IRVINE, Calif. — Late at night, the neighbors saw a little girl at the kitchen sink of the house next door. They watched through their window as the child rinsed plates under the open faucet. She wasn't much taller than the counter and the soapy water swallowed her slender arms.

To put the dishes away, she climbed on a chair.

But she was not the daughter of the couple next door doing chores. She was their maid.

Shyima was 10 when a wealthy Egyptian couple brought her from a poor village in northern Egypt to work in their California home. She awoke before dawn and often worked past midnight to iron their clothes, mop the marble floors and dust the family's crystal. She earned $45 a month working up to 20 hours a day. She had no breaks during the day and no days off.

The trafficking of children for domestic labor in the U.S. is an extension of an illegal but common practice in Africa. Families in remote villages send their daughters to work in cities for extra money and the opportunity to escape a dead-end life. Some girls work for free on the understanding that they will at least be better fed in the home of their employer.

The custom has led to the spread of trafficking, as well-to-do Africans accustomed to employing children immigrate to the U.S. Around one-third of the estimated 10,000 forced laborers in the United States are servants trapped behind the curtains of suburban homes, according to a study by the National Human Rights Center at the University of California at Berkeley and Free the Slaves, a nonprofit group. No one can say how many are children, especially since their work can so easily be masked as chores.

Once behind the walls of gated communities like this one, these children never go to school. Unbeknownst to their neighbors, they live as modern-day slaves, just like Shyima, whose story is pieced together through court records, police transcripts and interviews.

"I'd look down and see her at 10, 11 _ even 12 _ at night," said Shyima's neighbor at the time, Tina Font. "She'd be doing the dishes. We didn't put two and two together."

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Shyima cried when she found out she was going to America in 2000. Her father, a bricklayer, had fallen ill a few years earlier, so her mother found a maid recruiter, signed a contract effectively leasing her daughter to the couple for 10 years and told Shyima to be strong.

For a year, Shyima, 9, worked in the Cairo apartment owned by Amal Motelib and Nasser Ibrahim. Every month, Shyima's mother came to pick up her salary.

Tens of thousands of children in Africa, some as young as 3, are recruited every year to work as domestic servants. They are on call 24 hours a day and are often beaten if they make a mistake. Children are in demand because they earn less than adults and are less likely to complain. In just one city _ Casablanca _ a 2001 survey by the Moroccan government found more than 15,000 girls under 15 working as maids.

The U.S. State Department found that over the past year, children have been trafficked to work as servants in at least 33 of Africa's 53 countries. Children from at least 10 African countries were sent as maids to the U.S. and Europe. But the problem is so well hidden that authorities _ including the U.N., Interpol and the State Department _ have no idea how many child maids now work in the West.

"In most homes, these girls are not allowed to use so much as the same spoon as the rest of the family," said Hany Helal, the Cairo-based director of the Egyptian Organization for Child Rights.

By the time the Ibrahims decided to leave, Shyima's family had taken several loans from them for medical bills. The Ibrahims said they could only be repaid by sending Shyima to work for them in the U.S. A friend posed as her father, and the U.S. embassy in Cairo issued her a six-month tourist visa.

She arrived at Los Angeles International Airport on Aug. 3, 2000, according to court documents. The family brought her back to their spacious five-bedroom, two-story home, decorated in the style of a Tuscan villa with a fountain of two angels spouting water through a conch. She was told to sleep in the garage.

It had no windows and was neither heated nor air-conditioned. Soon after she arrived, the garage's only light bulb went out. The Ibrahims didn't replace it. From then on, Shyima lived in the dark.

She was told to call them Madame Amal and Hajj Nasser, terms of respect. They called her "shaghala," or servant. Their five children called her "stupid."

While the family slept, she ironed the school outfits of the Ibrahims' 5-year-old twin sons. She woke them, combed their hair, dressed them and made them breakfast. Then she ironed clothes and fixed breakfast for the three girls, including Heba, who at 10 was the same age as the family's servant.

Neither Ibrahim nor his wife worked, and they slept late. When they awoke, they yelled for her to make tea.

While they ate breakfast watching TV, she cleaned the palatial house. She vacuumed each bedroom, made the beds, dusted the shelves, wiped the windows, washed the dishes and did the laundry.

Her employers were not satisfied, she said. "Nothing was ever clean enough for her. She would come in and say, 'This is dirty,' or 'You didn't do this right,' or 'You ruined the food,'" said Shyima.

She started wetting her bed. Her sheets stank. So did her oversized T-shirt and the other hand-me-downs she wore.

While doing the family's laundry, she slipped her own clothes into the load. Madame slapped her. "She told me my clothes were dirtier than theirs. That I wasn't allowed to clean mine there," she said.

She washed her clothes in a bucket in the garage. She hung them to dry outside, next to the trash cans.

When the couple went out, she waited until she heard the car pull away and then she sat down. She sat with her back straight because she was afraid her clothes would dirty the upholstery.

It never occurred to her to run away.

"I thought this was normal," she said.

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If you could fly the garage where Shyima slept 7,000 miles to the sandy alleyway where her Egyptian family now lives, it would pass for the best home in the neighborhood.

The garage's walls are made of concrete instead of hand-patted bricks. Its roof doesn't leak. Its door shuts all the way. Shyima's mother and her 10 brothers and sisters live in a two-bedroom house with uneven walls and a flaking ceiling. None of them have ever had a bed to themselves, much less a whole room. At night, bodies cover the sagging couches.

Shown a snapshot of the windowless garage, Shyima's mother in the coastal town of Agami made a clucking sound of approval.

"It's much cleaner than where many people here sleep," said Helal, the child rights advocate. He explains that Shyima's treatment in the Ibrahim home is considered normal _ even good _ by Egyptian standards.

Even though many child maids are physically abused, child labor is rarely prosecuted because the work isn't considered strenuous. Many employers even see themselves as benefactors.

"There is a sense that children should work to help their family, but also that they are being given an opportunity," said Mark Lagon, the director of the U.S. State Department's Office to Monitor and Combat Trafficking in Persons.

That's especially the case for well-off families who transport their child servants to Western countries.

In 2006, a U.S. district court in Michigan sentenced a Cameroonian man to 17 years in prison for bringing a 14-year-old girl from his country to work as his unpaid maid. That same year, a Moroccan couple was sentenced to home confinement for forcing their 12-year-old Moroccan niece to work grueling hours caring for their baby.

In Germantown, Md., a Nigerian couple used their daughter's passport to bring in a 14-year-old Nigerian girl as their maid. She worked for them for five years before escaping in 2001. In Germany, France, the Netherlands and England, African immigrants have been arrested for forcing children from their home countries to work as their servants.

In several of these cases, the employers argued that they took the children with the parents' permission. The Cameroonian girl's mother flew to Detroit to testify in court against her daughter, saying the girl was ungrateful for the good life her employers had provided her.

Shyima's mother, Salwa Mahmoud, said her father believed she would have better opportunities in America.

"I didn't want her to travel but our family's condition dictated that she had to go," explained Mahmoud, a squat, round-faced woman with calloused hands and feet. She is missing two front teeth because she couldn't afford a dentist.

"If she had stayed here in Egypt, she would have been ordinary," said Awatef, Shyima's older sister. "Just like us."

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On April 3, 2002, an anonymous caller phoned the California Department of Social Services to report that a young girl was living inside the garage of 28 Pacific Grove.

A few days later, Nasser Ibrahim opened the door to a detective from the Irvine Police Department. Asked if any children lived there beside his own, he first said no, then yes _ "a distant relative." He said he had "not yet" enrolled her in school. She did "chores _ just like the other kids," according to the police transcript.

Shyima was upstairs cleaning when Ibrahim came to get her. "He told me that I was not allowed to say anything," said Shyima. "That if I said anything I would never see my parents again."

When police searched the house, they turned up several home videos showing Shyima at work. They seized the contract signed by Shyima's illiterate parents.

Asked by police if anyone other than his immediate family lived in the house, Eid, one of the twins, said: "Hummm ... Yeah ... Her name is Shyima," according to the transcript. "She uh ... She works _ she works for us at the house, like, she cleans up the dishes and stuff like that."

Twelve-year-old Heba got flustered: "Yeah. She's uh _ my _ uh _ How do I say this? Uh ... My dad's ... Oh, wait, like ... She's like my cousin, but _ She's my dad's daughter's friend. Oops! The other way. Okay, I'm confused."

Heba eventually admitted that Shyima had lived with the family for three years in Egypt and in California.

The police put Shyima in a squad car. They noted her hands were red and caked with dead, hard-looking skin.

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For months Shyima lied to investigators, saying what the Ibrahims had told her to say.

She went without sleep for days at a stretch. She was put on four different types of medication. She moved from foster home to foster home. Her mood swings alarmed her guardians. In school for the first time, she struggled to learn to read.

Investigators arranged for her to speak to her parents. She told them she felt like a "nobody" working for the Ibrahims and wanted to come home. Her father yelled at her.

"They kept telling me that they're good people," Shyima recounted in a recent interview. "That it's my fault. That because of what I did my mom was going to have a heart attack."

Three years ago, she broke off contact with her family. Since then she has refused to speak Arabic. She can no longer communicate in her mother tongue.

During the 2006 trial, the Ibrahims described Shyima as part of their family. They included proof of a trip she took with the family to Disneyland. Shyima's lawyer pointed out that the 10-year-old wasn't allowed on the rides _ she was there to carry the bags.

The couple's lawyers collected photographs of the home where Shyima grew up, including close-ups of the feces-stained squat toilet and of Shyima's sisters washing clothes in a bucket.

In her final plea, Madame Amal told the judge it would be unfair to separate her from her children. Enraged, Shyima, then 17, told the court she hadn't seen her family in years.

"Where was their loving when it came to me? Wasn't I a human being too? I felt like I was nothing when I was with them," she sobbed.

The couple pleaded guilty to all charges, including forced labor and slavery. They were ordered to pay $76,000, the amount Shyima would have earned at the minimum wage. The sentence: Three years in federal prison for Ibrahim, 22 months for his wife, and then deportation for both. Their lawyers declined to comment for this story.

"I don't think that there is any other term you could use than modern-day slavery," said Bob Schoch, the special agent in charge for Immigration and Customs Enforcement in Los Angeles, in describing Shyima's situation.

Shyima was adopted last year by Chuck and Jenny Hall of Beaumont, Calif. The family lives near Disneyland, where they have taken her a half-dozen times. She graduated from high school this summer after retaking her exit exam and hopes to become a police officer.

Shyima, now 19, has a list of assigned chores. She wears purple eyeshadow, has a boyfriend and frequently updates her profile on MySpace. Her hands are neatly manicured.

But in her closet, she keeps a box of pictures of her parents and her brothers and sisters. "I don't look at them because it makes me cry," she said. "How could they? They're my parents."

When her father died last year, her family had no way of reaching her.

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EPILOGUE: On a recent afternoon in Cairo, Madame Amal walked into the lobby of her apartment complex wearing designer sunglasses and a chic scarf.

After nearly two years in a U.S. prison cell, she's living once more in the spacious apartment where Shyima first worked as her maid. The apartment is adorned in the style of a Louis XIV palace, with ornately carved settees, gold-leaf vases and life-sized portraits of her and her husband.

She did not agree to be interviewed for this story.

Before the door closed behind her, a little girl slipped in carrying grocery bags. She wore a shabby T-shirt. Her small feet slapped the floor in loose flip-flops. Her eyes were trained on the ground.

She looked to be around 9 years old.

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EDITOR'S NOTE _ This story is based on interviews in Los Angeles, Irvine and Beaumont, Calif., and in Cairo and Agami, Egypt, in September and October. In addition to interviews with Shyima, her mother and nine of her brothers and sisters, the AP also interviewed her neighbors in Irvine, law enforcement officials and the lawyer who prosecuted her case. Quotes and scenes were observed by the reporter or described by Shyima and confirmed in police transcripts and court records.

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Shyima's story has a happier ending compared with the stories of child laborers world over. My heart goes out to Shyima and other children who have to suffer needlessly at the hands of uncaring and criminal adults. People in countries where this is common should be inundated with public service announcements that point out the immorality of the practice. When social opinion changes these things will become less common. MamaBird is right too. Women need access to birth control so they can control the size of their families and help them get out of poverty. They don't have to sell their children to slavery. Ofcourse the conservative Christians here, the Catholic Pope and the Mullahs of Islam don't approve of family planning. They are all more interested in controlling a woman's sexuality than in justice.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:08 PM on 12/28/2008
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Morality has nothing to do with it at all. The families keep popping out kids, can't afford to take care of them and sell them to wealthier people.

The part of the story that just burned me as much as the slavers, was where mom stopped by every month to pick up her child's pay. The kid not only was treated like dirt but will never see a dime of her money. Well in this case the couple were ordered to pay her 76K to make up for back pay but it doesn't say whether or not she got it.

Like I said, morality makes no difference so long as birth control is considered a worse moral crime than popping out babies you cannot take care of and you can make money out of selling your children. Look at the reaction the little girl got from her own parents when the truth came out..

Until we get it through, and I doubt we will because of the cowardice of those with the voice to say it vs the religious nutjobs and leaders of countries who claim it doesn't exist and the "Very few" cases are an anomaly.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:34 PM on 12/28/2008
- JulieSA I'm a Fan of JulieSA 165 fans permalink
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Religious "nutjobs" have been in the vanguard of trying to end this problem. They are way ahead of you. They've been working on this for years, and you just now heard of this.

It is a moral issue. it's immoral to own another human being. Period.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:58 PM on 12/28/2008
- atlantajoe I'm a Fan of atlantajoe 8 fans permalink

Liberalbuzz - selling children into slavery has nothing to do with morals ? How many people with strong morals sell a child into slavery ? Is it really Bushes fault that someone in another country can't pull out ? Is it Bushes fault that adults in Africa don't seem to know that if you put it in and leave it in then maybe a pregnancy might occur.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:15 PM on 12/29/2008
- sueinmn I'm a Fan of sueinmn 101 fans permalink
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Oh but the power of the GOP in this country does not believe in birth control. they call it religion! give a man a pill to get it up and take away the womans right to choose. people who vote republican had better start realizing what the GOP truely stand for.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:11 AM on 12/29/2008
- atlantajoe I'm a Fan of atlantajoe 8 fans permalink

Blame the GOP again. The GOP isn't the one laying around with open legs, the breeders are and have been long before Lincoln freed the slaves. Sueimn, can you name a state in the US where a woman cannot get an abortion ?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:09 PM on 12/29/2008
- zann I'm a Fan of zann 11 fans permalink

I don't understand what the Egyptian couple's legal status was. How do such people come to live here?

Another thought: The earth is running out of most resources. What earth has in abundance is people. Abandoning empathy and ethics has always been profitable, and slavery is likely to get worse for the foreseeable future. We've got to be more aware.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:37 PM on 12/28/2008
- overcat I'm a Fan of overcat 33 fans permalink

Obviously these people were rather well off, so in addition to all of the reasons why their actions were inherently wrong, it seems as though they were financially capable of providing for and treating the girl decently, but chose not to do so.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:34 PM on 12/28/2008
- kapo I'm a Fan of kapo permalink

A logically flawed post which masks the fact that child maids are being trafficked from across the globe. The article claims child servant trafficking is spreading from Africa to the US. The estimate quoted is that, "Around one-third of the estimated 10,000 forced laborers in the United States are servants." But there is no source for the claim that child maids in US are primarily from Africa or that the concept was introduced to the US from Africa, as the article purports. In fact child maids are nothing new in the United States, which has a well documented history of slavery and indentured white labour. A 2000 International Labour Organization stidy found that 61 per cent of the world's child labourers were in Asia, 32 per cent in Africa, 7 per cent and Latin America with Europe, and North America sharing the rest. Additionally, Shyima might more accurately be described as Middle Eastern as she is an Arab, while the term African tends to connote Sub-Saharan Africa, which she is not. Rukmini is on her way to being a successful journalist with such tailored pandering to stereotypes.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:30 PM on 12/28/2008
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A typical conservative take on an issue is to worry about "logical flaws" in the reportage of the issue where humanitarian concerns are at the core of the story. Can there ever be such a thing as "compassionate conservativism"? I seriously doubt it for just this reason among others....

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:35 PM on 12/28/2008
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No kidding. Taking apart a story based upon little details is just a knee jerk reaction by rightwingers.

The fact of the matter is it exists and neighbors should be more aware. To say you see a small child toiling away in the middle of the night and do nothing about questioning that is not right.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:18 PM on 12/28/2008
- JulieSA I'm a Fan of JulieSA 165 fans permalink
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Conservatives have a better record of working against slavery than libs do, and conservatives give more time and money to the needy. Really, I'm sick of leftists patting themselves on the back for something they don't even do. Walk the walk, don't just talk. Do more--you folks are way behind the curve on this.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:11 AM on 12/29/2008
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Being African is certainly not being a particular race. Indeed, genetically speaking, the entire world can trace its ancestry to Africa. The concept of race is a fallacy from the genetic point of view.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:05 AM on 12/29/2008
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According to this dude Africans north of the Sahara are not really Africans !

What is the connotation? That "real Africans" would be insulted by us calling them africans? What is he talking about?

Properly designating races is important to him. Because apparently whether the girl is African or Arab makes a difference as to who is at fault here. Well, we all know what to call that.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:40 AM on 12/29/2008
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And if I were an American attorney, I hope I would refuse to represent foreign nationals in a case like this....

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:16 PM on 12/28/2008
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Foreigners who do this kind of thing should:

1) Be given longer jail sentences than the Egyptian couple in the story.

2) Not only be deported afterwards but never allowed back in this country again for ANY reason whatsoever.

I am especially outraged by this story, I'm not sure why. I think because it violates the very basic concept on which America was founded (and granted has not always adhere to perfectly....)

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:14 PM on 12/28/2008
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Isn't this kind of "indentured servitude" simply illegal in this country? Can't people who practice it be thrown in jail where they belong?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:09 PM on 12/28/2008
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Yea, I don't know why there isn't a long prison sentence for these enslavers. Child abuse on its own would be a prison sentence. This should be a heavy prison sentence.

Don't deport them. Confiscate all their wealth, put it in a trust fund for this kid and stick these criminals in prison for the next 25 years. Make them wash dishes all day every day for 25 years.

Crimes against children get me so efffing mad. These children have no chance to make smart decisions because they don't know any better. They have no life experience. And even when they figure out that they need to make a change they are completely powerless against adults because again they have no knowledge and experience to use to fight back.

These predators make me sick.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:54 AM on 12/29/2008
- MamaBird62 I'm a Fan of MamaBird62 92 fans permalink

This is a great group working on this problem:

www.americansforunfpa.or

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:04 PM on 12/28/2008

The courts should have given Shyima the family's house, not minimum wage.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:03 PM on 12/28/2008
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I agree. The story also makes us aware that this kind of enslavement of children is actually the norm in many parts of the world. The Egyptian couple probably didn't think they were doing anything wrong, although they should at least have been aware of and respected U.S. law.....

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:20 PM on 12/28/2008
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You would be amazed (or not) at the amount of foreigners who thumb their noses at U.S. law. They consider us idiots to be taken advantage of at every chance.
Think about the part where she was not allowed to use the washing machine or the bathroom. These people were just plain evil as all of those who engage in this sort of thing.

The laws need to be ramped up to NO plea agreements allowed and full sentences when found guilty..

The worst part is if they had taken a few pictures of her naked and otherwise treated her very well, put her in school, made the other kids do the same chores and treated her as well as their own they would be looking at 15 years in prison minimum.

BUT beat her, abuse her, treat her like dirt, make her sleep in a freezing garage, make her sleep in her own filth, refuse her an education, and all the other things they did and they get a slap on the wrist.

One can only wonder how many of these children were killed by their owners?

Beat them to the point of broken ribs and then still make them work to the point of a rib breaking free and killing them?

They get very sick and are forced to keep working and die in the garage?

Then get thrown out with the garbage.

One can only wonder how many thousands of them are killed by the "owners"?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:45 PM on 12/28/2008

Then she could sell it... because she wouldn't be able to afford the property tax.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:22 PM on 12/28/2008
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This type of laziness and unwillingness to perform what we often perceive as remedial chores is in part why our economy is in turmoil.

All those old factory jobs Americans felt were beneath them are now creating wealth for other countries. Both while performing the duties then when selling the junk to Americans.

But the real issue here is the violation of a child, which is appalling by every conceivable measure I am capable of.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:58 PM on 12/28/2008
- Bullwinkie I'm a Fan of Bullwinkie 16 fans permalink

"All those old factory jobs Americans felt were beneath them "

Americans did not quit those jobs, the jobs were outsourced. Our economy is in turmoil because of reagonomics, the theory that greed is good.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:02 PM on 12/28/2008
- Rog49Thomas I'm a Fan of Rog49Thomas 192 fans permalink

When the Reagan Revolution is finally completed, some of us will be "free" to exploit the children of our own citizens in this way.

Just nip down to the nearest "Georgetown" and pick up a few slaves.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:31 PM on 12/28/2008
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Let me first start with saying that slavery is wrong.
This has nothing to do with this story but anyway.
If someone else is willing to work at a lower rate than you why would the owner hire you especially if the other guy works better. Plus the owner would not have to pay higher taxes in those countries.
I don't buy an Japanese car because its cheaper than the American UAW produced junk. I buy it because its better.

And how good was it before Reaganomics? double digit inflation , queues for gas, 18% interest rates , high unemployment, America losing influence in both the Middle East and Latin America.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:41 PM on 12/29/2008
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Do you REALLY think Americans quit those jobs because they were "beneath them"?

Seriously?

So the poor factory owners looked out and saw no people looking for work and just HAD to move to India or China??

WOW. You really have no clue, do you?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:53 PM on 12/28/2008
- MamaBird62 I'm a Fan of MamaBird62 92 fans permalink

One of the first things I hope Obama will work on (and reverse Bush policy) is our policy towards women and girls in the developing world. They need education and birth control to reduce this type of desperate situation. Only a mother with a dozen other starving children, and starving herself, would send her young child alone out into the world like this. It is a heartbreak for all concerned.
There will never be a shortage of people willing to take advantage of the less fortunate, we have to find ways to help them empower themselves and stay out of these situations.
Knowledge is power. American women, let's share what we know and what we have and make the world better for women and girls.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:51 PM on 12/28/2008
- atlantajoe I'm a Fan of atlantajoe 8 fans permalink

Mama - these same people got knocked up during the Clinton years to.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:32 PM on 12/29/2008
- smartnews I'm a Fan of smartnews 2 fans permalink

Child abuse is horrible. We are fighting to stop child abuse. Information is at http://ritualabuse.us

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:49 PM on 12/28/2008

Wow. I am speechless after reading this story. This is just some sick joke right? The parents should've been punished more severely, especially in a country that abolished slavery years ago, and is still dealing with the repercussions.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:49 PM on 12/28/2008

There is a special place in Hell for people like this.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:49 PM on 12/28/2008
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I like to think that the karma accrued by a couple like the one described in the story causes them to return in a future life in exactly the same kind of situation of enslavement into which they put the girl. That would represent the only kind of true justice in this case....

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:28 PM on 12/28/2008

That is precisely what will happen..except it will be after eons of successive reincarnations as stray dogs, ferral cats, mice, rats, lizards, snakes, a wilderbeast on the serengetti plains etc etc.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:16 AM on 12/29/2008
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