Hamas Calls For Martyrdom After 280 Palestinians Die (VIDEO)

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Israel has continued airstrikes on Gaza for the second day. The death toll has risen to 280, reports Al Jazeera. It also reports that Hamas has made a call to arms.

Israel has continued airstrikes on Gaza for the second day. The death toll has risen to 280, reports Al Jazeera. It also reports that Hamas has made a call to arms. ...
Israel has continued airstrikes on Gaza for the second day. The death toll has risen to 280, reports Al Jazeera. It also reports that Hamas has made a call to arms. ...
 
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- kasukabe I'm a Fan of kasukabe 5 fans permalink

Great surely first up for Martyrdom should be the leader of Hamas so he can show a good example to the young ones.

No ?

Well perhaps he has a good excuse. Maybe he gets car sick ?

No ?

Could it be that he and the other leaders of Hamas are yellow bellied cowards who hide behind women and children and send deluded morons to their deaths for no reason other than to fuel their hate filled egos in pursuit of a Fascistic dreamland.

Yes !

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:14 AM on 12/29/2008
- mouselion I'm a Fan of mouselion 123 fans permalink
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HumeSkeptic:
When I say "People who often buy into a system do so because they can profit from the system."

What I mean is, people are not always honest. They will play people's beliefs/religions/ideologies to make a buck.

Is that happening right now? I think so.

Are all Republicans "good Christians"? No, I don't think so. They align themselves politically for personal gain with no regard for the religious beliefs of their fellow party members. They're cynical money grubbers pulling others' heartstrings.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:19 AM on 12/29/2008
- jake106 I'm a Fan of jake106 4 fans permalink

Are all Republicans "cynical money grubbers pulling others' heartstrings"?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:31 AM on 12/31/2008
- CVN65 I'm a Fan of CVN65 25 fans permalink

Of course we are. And we all dress just like the little dude in Monopoly and light our Havanas with $20 bills. And we're all white, descended from former slave owners. And we all secretly desire to hit homosexuals over the head with baseball bats. Oh, and we all joined the KKK. Did that clear things up? Funny, usually when I think of "cynical money grubbers" in that light, Al Sharpton and Jesse Jackson come to mind, not Ronald Reagan or Goldwater.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:24 PM on 01/02/2009

Here is an expression from my country: When a mouse wishes to die, it sniffs the cat's nose (it sounds better in the original language). I hope Hamas got the reaction they wanted from Israel.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:55 PM on 12/28/2008
- HumeSkeptic I'm a Fan of HumeSkeptic 1632 fans permalink
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mouselion See Profile I'm a Fan of mouselion I'm a fan of this user permalink
Exactly.

It can not proven or unproven

Either way, it is a belief which you can not prove.

The only logical (and honest) answer is "I do not know".

Reply Favorite Flag as abusive Posted 11:37 PM on 12/28/2008
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I responded to a similar post by you earlier on this same thread. You either didn't read it or you didn't understand it.

What you are proposing is that I prove a negative. Let me repeat my earlier example to illustrate my point:

I claim that there is a dragon living in your garage that cannot be detected by any means whatsoever. In other words, since it cannot be detected, you cannot prove that it does not exist. Then, by your logic, you must start believing that it does exist.

Did I just make you a believer in undetectable dragon living in your garage?

And are you willing to say that "I do not know whether the dragon is there or not", which, according to you, would be the "logical (and real) answer?

How about unicorns? How about a Spaghetti M0nster? How about people wih multiple heads? Are you willing to believe that they all might exist because you can't prove that they don't?
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    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:54 PM on 12/28/2008
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I can not know that they exist or do not exist if I can not prove or disprove them.

They could be dragons or unicorns or Spaghetti Monsters -- or not -- I haven't the ability to prove or disprove them. If you give me solid proof either way, then I will believe. But, no one as yet has provided evidence one way or the other. It is impossible for me to say. To propose that there is no god is as preposterous to me as to propose there is one. I do not assume I know either way.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:08 AM on 12/29/2008
- HumeSkeptic I'm a Fan of HumeSkeptic 1632 fans permalink
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I rest my case.
If you wish to believe in God and undetectable dragons and unicorns and spaghetti monsters, someone will find an appropriate description for your mental state.

This conversation is now over. :-)

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:19 AM on 12/29/2008

Wars between neighbors are bad. Wars between religions are worse. Religious wars between neighbors are the worst.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:25 PM on 12/28/2008
- HumeSkeptic I'm a Fan of HumeSkeptic 1632 fans permalink
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In my view, this is not a religious war. Some use religion as a recruitment tool, but it is about territory.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:03 PM on 12/28/2008
- mouselion I'm a Fan of mouselion 123 fans permalink
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Yes, I agree, it is about one people encroaching on the territory of another. Yet both sides are using their established religions as a justification for their actions. Which goes back to the argument that you used just yesterday that you believe "religion" (belief) is something people need to eradicate from their lives in order to achieve peace.

Is this not the viewpoint you were espousing? I believe it was.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:15 PM on 12/28/2008
- 2Witnesses I'm a Fan of 2Witnesses 4 fans permalink

Really? It's not religious? This is not about a God-given birthright? You bet it is and they won't be satisfied until they grab every square inch.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GSAvaYY-y7Q

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:59 AM on 12/29/2008
- chayefsky I'm a Fan of chayefsky 23 fans permalink

The territory and religion are intertwined. Here's some biblical history as background to this ancient conflict between the Jews and Arabs. First of all, the Jews and Arabs are half-brothers, according to the Bible and the Koran. The Jews are descendants of Isaac and the Arabs are descendants of Ishmael, both of whom were Abraham's sons. Sarah, Abraham's wife, was Isaac's mother and Hagar, Abraham's concubine, was Ishmael's mother. Ishmael, Abraham's firstborn son, should have been given the Birthright of the firstborn, his father's land, according to ancient law. But, because he was Abraham's son from a legally recognized marriage, Isaac ,was given the birthright, the land of Israel. Ishmael was cast out. So, the Jews and Arabs have been fighting over this land ever since, each group believing the land rightfully, historically belongs to them.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:41 PM on 12/29/2008
- vote-obama I'm a Fan of vote-obama 18 fans permalink
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voilence breeds voilence and repression breeds retaliation, simple as that.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:55 PM on 12/28/2008
- jjj1951 I'm a Fan of jjj1951 4 fans permalink

Martyrdom? I believe there is a quote that says that no person wins a war by dying for his country. He wins by making the other person die for theirs.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:48 PM on 12/28/2008

Any time one side decides that "martyrdom" "suicide bombings", etc they lose all credibility. I know some will say death is death no matter the terminology but "martyrdom" is not policy...its just madness.
There is plenty of madness in this region to go around but someone has to be the lesser of two or five evils.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:29 PM on 12/28/2008
- HumeSkeptic I'm a Fan of HumeSkeptic 1632 fans permalink
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There is no moral difference bewteen telling someone to go dIe for religion (martyrdom) and to go d!e for your "way of life" or for your country (patriotism).

There is no moral difference bewteen using suicide bombers to k!ll civilians and using airplanes to drop b0mbs that k!ll civilians. The former is used as a desperate measure by those who do not have airplanes and other sophisticated equipment to k!ll.

One might argue that suic!de b0mbers specifically target civilians. In actuality, that is not true. They do so mainly because they cannot get close to soldiers without being detected (security around bases, etc.)

The above said, there is no moral justification for k!lling of civilians, by anyone.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:39 PM on 12/28/2008
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Hence, atheism = a belief in no god(s) (don't trust it).
And, theism = a belief in god(s) (don't trust it).

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:58 PM on 12/28/2008
- HumeSkeptic I'm a Fan of HumeSkeptic 1632 fans permalink
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There is no moral difference bewteen telling someone to go d!e for religion (martyrdom) and to go d!e for your "way of life" or for your country (patriotism).

There is no moral difference bewteen using su!cide b0mbers to k!ll civilians and using airplanes to drop b0mbs that k!ll civilians. The former is used as a desperate measure by those who do not have airplanes and other sophisticated equipment to k!ll.

One might argue that suic!de b0mbers specifically t@rget civilians. In actuality, that is not true. They do so mainly because they cannot get close to soldiers without being detected (security around bases, etc.)

The above said, there is no moral justification for k!lling of civilians, by anyone.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:40 PM on 12/28/2008
- mouselion I'm a Fan of mouselion 123 fans permalink
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Why do you feel that you must symbols to express your thoughts and not the actual letters?

Notice, I never do that. And, my comments always go through. You don't have to do that, really.

You say ' your "way of life" or for your country (patriotism). '

But yet, you say people must give up beliefs. The biggest genocide in history was presided over by people who claimed to have 'no god' -- yet another belief.
They were the Soviets and they had the Society of the Godless. All "religious" movements were persecuted by the state.

Religion simply means "belief system" -- not simply a belief in a supernatural being (which can neither be proved or disproved -- but any *belief*.

Hence, the separation of church and state -- which protects us from *any* belief which tries to control us. Atheist are a danger to us as much as Christians ans Muslims. Do not have blind faith in any religion or ideology.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:55 PM on 12/28/2008
- me again I'm a Fan of me again 29 fans permalink

Hamas is a criminal organization who runs to their big brothers each time they taunt Israel and get spanked.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:01 PM on 12/28/2008
- HumeSkeptic I'm a Fan of HumeSkeptic 1632 fans permalink
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And who is the big brother?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:19 PM on 12/28/2008
- mouselion I'm a Fan of mouselion 123 fans permalink
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Cynical money makers who denounce a belief in a supernatural being.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:42 PM on 12/28/2008

The mullah in Iran and other rugheads

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:50 PM on 12/28/2008
- HumeSkeptic I'm a Fan of HumeSkeptic 1632 fans permalink
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H@mas cannot be so dumb as to think that they can win against Is-ra-el millitarily. So, why did they fire those rockets?

It was to make Is-ra-el overreact in the manner that they did. This is exactly what H@mas wanted.

Yes, Is-ra-el can go k!ll some P@lestinians. But, in the long run, H@mas hopes to come out ahead in political gain and in gaining inernational sympathy and support for P@lest!nians.
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    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:24 PM on 12/28/2008
- reelcobra I'm a Fan of reelcobra 6 fans permalink

Hamas can only win if there are enough people like you to support them, HumeSeptic. It must feel weird for you to be in the minority here for once.

Like the use of dashes and the "at" symbol though.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:42 PM on 12/28/2008

He is not in the minority. There is the silent majority who sees and understands but in this country maybe afraid to speak their mind. That is changing, slowly.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:44 PM on 12/28/2008
- HumeSkeptic I'm a Fan of HumeSkeptic 1632 fans permalink
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I do not support H@mas. I do support the P@lestinian cause for homeland and freedom.
I find that my posts are delayed if I spell those words without dashes or "at" symbols. It is not meant to annoy anyone.

As for being in the minority, I'm quite used to it. I have found that people who use reason and logic are in the minority on most topics. In fact, I would rather be in that minority.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:49 PM on 12/28/2008
- jcollell I'm a Fan of jcollell 4 fans permalink

Isn't it funny how the honchos who call for martyrdom are not willing to become martyrs themselves. Sending others into the meat grinder is easy.

http://www.youspar.com/

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:17 PM on 12/28/2008
- HumeSkeptic I'm a Fan of HumeSkeptic 1632 fans permalink
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Not different than what Bush did with our soldiers, is it?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:26 PM on 12/28/2008
- kasukabe I'm a Fan of kasukabe 5 fans permalink

So much wrong with your statement

A. When a US soldier goes to Iraq there is a good chance that he or she will come home.
Suicide missions tend to be one way trips, hence the name

B. Recruits to the US military are all volunteer. Nobody is forced to join the US army but on
the other hand women have been forced to become suicide bombers because of the
threat of disgracing their "family honor". Mentally ill adolescents have been tricked into
becoming suicide bombers.

Stop pretending that everything is equal. Why don't you read what Hamas's ultimate goals are. Is a genocide against the Jewish people something you can get behind ?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:20 AM on 12/29/2008
- reelcobra I'm a Fan of reelcobra 6 fans permalink

If you are so dense you equate the call to our soldiers to the call for people to go into civilian areas and kill civilians you embarrass the memory of Hume. You should be ashamed.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:09 PM on 12/29/2008

I didn't see Georgie flying a plane or riding a rocket into Baghdad either.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:45 PM on 12/28/2008

I'm down with the Martydom.

If all the hams people blew themselves up the problem would be solved.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:08 PM on 12/28/2008
- HumeSkeptic I'm a Fan of HumeSkeptic 1632 fans permalink
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The problem has existed for longer than H@mas has.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:28 PM on 12/28/2008
- reelcobra I'm a Fan of reelcobra 6 fans permalink

The "problem" had a "final solution" because of people like you.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:43 PM on 12/28/2008

There will be more to take their place. Maybe a different name but they will be there and more powerful and angry. Memories last long in the middle east. Pray that Izzi wakes up and seeks out true peace.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:46 PM on 12/28/2008

I also support the martyrdom doctrine. If all the islams blew themselves up the world would be a better place.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:58 PM on 12/28/2008
- LAThinker I'm a Fan of LAThinker 17 fans permalink

But they should do it in Gaza not in Israel

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:50 PM on 12/29/2008

I know two young men from Palestine and they tell me how bad it is. Both grew up in violence because they told me you have to join a gang or else if for some reason someone kills you, you need a member of your gang to get revenge.

One of the young men, late teens, early twenties, was shot when he was eight years old. He was selling guns for his gang when a rival shot him. They both worked for and were involved in gangs because their is no work.

They told me they just want the fighting to end and are very happy to be in the United States.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:02 PM on 12/28/2008
- MIVOTE I'm a Fan of MIVOTE 169 fans permalink
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Without H.(at.e and division what do t hose who call for a continuation of t his have left?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:00 PM on 12/28/2008

STOP THE KI LL ING OF INNOCENTS!!!

http://www.flickr.com/photos/coyote2012/2153246249/

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:31 PM on 12/28/2008

That is exactly what Hamas wanted. Some innocent die, good pr for Hamas. They don't care about the poor people of Palestine. Hamas is Iran's mercenary. It is a big business

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:00 AM on 12/29/2008
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