Franken Up By 50 In Recount, For Now

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First Posted: 12-30-08 10:53 AM   |   Updated: 01-30-09 05:12 AM

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Al Franken has ended the unofficial Minnesota Senate election recount up 50 votes over Sen. Norm Coleman.

The margin is subject to change as the state and both campaigns considers what to do with roughly 1,350 wrongfully rejected absentee ballots. But the canvassing board's decision carries with it some political and symbolic importance.

The 50-vote margin represents the final voting total reached after the state recounted all 2.9 million ballots cast on Election Day and sifted through the approximately 1,500 ballots that were challenged during the recount process by both campaigns. Franken started the process down by roughly 215 votes, meaning that a shift of roughly 265 votes took place.

The next major step in the election process will come on January 5th or 6th, when both campaigns are expected to reintroduce a pool of absentee ballots that the State Supreme Court declared wrongfully rejected. Both campaigns must agree on which ballots to re-introduce, and Coleman threw a small wrench into the process by highlighting a scant 136 such ballots. The Franken campaign has held that all 1,346 ballots be resubmitted.

But Secretary of State Mark Ritchie, in a telephone conversation with the Huffington Post Monday evening, said he expected both candidates to come to an "amenable" agreement.

"The Coleman campaign has said in public that they expect these meetings to be amenable, we expect them to be amenable. We expect a portion of those ballots to end up in our office Friday," said Ritchie. "The [other] thing is that the State Supreme Court has said in very stern language that all parties will approach this in a very fair minded approach. So the Supreme Court can decide that ... if any of the parties are not approaching this in the right way, they can take action."

Should Franken emerge victorious after the issue of wrongfully rejected absentee ballots is solved, the Coleman campaign has suggested that they will legally appeal the result. That could drag on the process for weeks or months. And, as such, some Minnesota officials -- in particular Sen. Amy Klobuchar -- have suggested that the state seat the winner on a temporary basis until those lawsuits are settled.

UPDATE: The campaigns have, predictably, two very different responses to the canvass board ruling. Franken welcomed the news as evidence that he is "on track to win." Coleman, meanwhile, accused state officials of being in the bag for the Democratic candidate.

In a quickly convened press briefing following the board's decision, Coleman lawyer Tony Trimble singled out Deputy Secretary of State Jim Gelbmann's as being a biased force in the recount process.

"He's gone out and done their work," said Trimble. "He's gone out and advised county officials to simply count those [wrongfully rejected absentee ballots] the Franken campaign wants."

Meanwhile, in a statement issued in his own name, Franken writes:

"Today, the state canvassing board completed an important step in this process. I'm glad to be ahead, and as it appears that we're on track to win, I want Minnesotans to know that I'm ready to get to work for them in Washington on Day One. We still need to ensure that Minnesotans whose absentee ballots were improperly rejected aren't disenfranchised, but we are close to the finish line. And we should all be proud of our state's electoral process, and grateful for the dedication of our public servants, from the state canvassing board down to elections officials at the local level."

Al Franken has ended the unofficial Minnesota Senate election recount up 50 votes over Sen. Norm Coleman. The margin is subject to change as the state and both campaigns considers what to do with rou...
Al Franken has ended the unofficial Minnesota Senate election recount up 50 votes over Sen. Norm Coleman. The margin is subject to change as the state and both campaigns considers what to do with rou...
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- khiva I'm a Fan of khiva 8 fans permalink

Same old, same old. Republicans will do anything to win an election except count the votes.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:13 PM on 12/30/2008
- ADinSC I'm a Fan of ADinSC 18 fans permalink

Yup. Logically, if all 1346 votes were "wrongfully" rejected, then all 1346 should be counted. It shouldn't matter what the candidates think about them. But, the Republicans rarely do anything tht is logical.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:50 PM on 12/30/2008
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Why do the candidates decide which votes get counted? What gives them the authority to disenfranchise voters?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:10 PM on 12/30/2008
- JoeAlvord I'm a Fan of JoeAlvord 4 fans permalink
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The Minesota Supreme Court.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:18 PM on 12/30/2008
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How did the MN Court do that, exactly? In what document or decision did they cite which invests the authority to disenfranchise voters in the candidates--against their own decision that the ballots were wrongfully rejected, and over the authority of the State's constitution?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:36 PM on 12/30/2008

My impression is that MN Supreme Court doesn't give the campaigns any right not to count votes. It gives them the right to agree on factors which might fall under the four criteria that the law stipulates. Thus if a county says that a signature on the ballot envelope is illegible and doesn't "match" the name...if both campaigns agree that ballot may not be counted. So they have to agree...an­d it must be based on general criteria of legality.

Once the ballots are opened either campaign may challenge a votes legality, just as the can any other vote. But the Canvassing Board will review that claim. Given that legitimately challenged ballots amount to about 1/10,000..­.and success of those challenges were about 15% the odds that many of these absentees will face successful challenge is extremely low.

It should also be pointed out that these are not the so-called "double-counted" ballots. Those numbers will not be changed. The heavily Republican MN Supreme Court already ruled against Coleman on that case.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:51 PM on 12/30/2008

The state canvassing board has to agree to which votes will be counted, too, which will prevent disenfranchisement of legitimately cast votes.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:40 PM on 12/30/2008
- roald I'm a Fan of roald 16 fans permalink

The intent is not to disenfranchise voters. The intent is to decide whether the ballot is legitimate (registered voter, voting once, cast on election day) and whether the voter's intent can be determined from the ballot.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:08 PM on 12/30/2008
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Unfortunately the MN Supreme Court threw the ball into the hands of the two candidates.

The 1300+ votes are absentee ballots, not yet opened, that were wrongly rejected during the first count of ballots. There are four reasons to reject an absentee ballot and the ballots in question did not meet one of the four reasons for rejection, therefore they were found to be WRONGLY REJECTED.

The court should not have thrown the ball to the candidates. That left room for hanky panky. Franken wants to count all of the ballots that were wrongly rejected. Coleman only wants to count the absentee ballots that come from areas of the state he things will favor him. He desperately wants to stop the count of all the WRONGLY REJECTED absentee ballots because a majority of them come from mostly Democratic areas of the state.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:22 PM on 12/30/2008

I'm confused here. When has it EVER been the prerogative of a candidate to decide which ballots to count?

Are they really saying that the candidates get to decide what a valid ballot is?

I'm HOPING BEYOND HOPE that what they really said (and is misreported) is that the two candidates are to offer their legal arguments for defining a particular ballot as valid, in rebuttal of the original assessment of it as being invalid. Then, the canvassing board decides whether their argument is compelling, and accepts/rejects the ballot?

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    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:08 PM on 12/30/2008
- LeftRight I'm a Fan of LeftRight 111 fans permalink
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That would actually make more sense. I will have to research it...... Thanks.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:12 PM on 12/30/2008
- VPN I'm a Fan of VPN 109 fans permalink
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Didn't your sh-ri-nk tell you not to be making up sh** it makes you look like a li-ar.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:17 PM on 12/30/2008
- VPN I'm a Fan of VPN 109 fans permalink
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Oops, this was directed to johnnyjust below

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:19 PM on 12/30/2008
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I can't see where the state constitution gives a candidate--who has yet to be elected to office--authority to decide anything--nevermind which ballots get counted in their own election. It has to be erroneous reporting. The idea that they come to an "amicable agreement" regarding which voters to disenfranc­hise--over the authority of the Supreme Court--is asinine.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:23 PM on 12/30/2008
- bubbuh I'm a Fan of bubbuh 131 fans permalink
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You don't read very well. The MN Supreme Court direct the candidates to come to an agreement about the remaining uncounted votes. If this goes to the US Senate for resolution, it will attempt to get the parties to agree. It wasn't "erroneous reporting" It's erroneous opinion on your part.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:33 PM on 12/30/2008
- digdeeper I'm a Fan of digdeeper 18 fans permalink

Wow! isn't it about time that elections were fought under the same rules across the good old US, or is that asking too much.
Only a very disfunctioning country would allow candidates to dictate which ballots to allow and which not. Can we be serious?
Its a bit like having a lottery ticket and having the power to change the numbers in order to have the winning ticket.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:17 PM on 12/30/2008
- johnnyjust I'm a Fan of johnnyjust 6 fans permalink

Is this the same Franken who used to show up drunk on Air America?

Is this the same Franken who threw a chair at a talk-show host because he didn't like (and couldn't answer) 'a question?'

Gee, you guys have set a new standard. Gotta lift my feet to walk over that bar.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:03 PM on 12/30/2008
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At least he didn't promote the ideology that sent everything it touched into a tailspin in 8 short years. Nope, that honor belongs to Norm Coleman, who, if you'd have bothered to look into it, was Franken's opponent. Franken could throw a chair per second the rest of his life and never cause that much destruction.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:16 PM on 12/30/2008
- khiva I'm a Fan of khiva 8 fans permalink

Right. It's the candidate who's NOT a former Democrat who now believes whatever he's supposed to believe this week to stay in power, but who is about to go to jail for 10 years for being the most venal and corrupt aS-$--h0le to serve in theSenate in the last 30 years.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:23 PM on 12/30/2008
- Grunty1 I'm a Fan of Grunty1 222 fans permalink

[most venal and corrupt aS-$--h0le to serve in theSenate in the last 30 years]

I don't know about that one. There is a LOT of competition for that award, especially from the Republican side of the Senate.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:08 PM on 12/30/2008
- roald I'm a Fan of roald 16 fans permalink

Let's not start a contest for must venal and corrupt politician. The competition would be fierce:>)

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:09 PM on 12/30/2008
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It all sounds well-researched and scrupulously fact-checked. No need to support this slander of someone you didn't like in the first place. No reason at all.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:38 PM on 12/30/2008
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You got anything to back up those allegations?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:47 PM on 12/30/2008
- Grunty1 I'm a Fan of Grunty1 222 fans permalink

"You know, you have such a stunningly superficial knowledge of what went on that it's almost embarrassing to listen to you."

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:07 PM on 12/30/2008
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Perfect.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:25 PM on 12/30/2008

Minnesota deserves Al Franken ... a follow-up to Jesse Ventura. Ha ha ha ha ha.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:01 PM on 12/30/2008
- VPN I'm a Fan of VPN 109 fans permalink
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Yes they do deserve a Harvard educated HONEST native Minnesotan rather than the ca-rpet bag-ger cro-ok now in office.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:06 PM on 12/30/2008
- LeftRight I'm a Fan of LeftRight 111 fans permalink
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To be fair, Al's not native to MN either....­.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:08 PM on 12/30/2008
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What do you realy know about Al?

What do you have to back up your statement?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:11 PM on 12/30/2008
- Grunty1 I'm a Fan of Grunty1 222 fans permalink

We do deserve to get a good and knowledgable senator in place of a neo-con lapdog.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:09 PM on 12/30/2008
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Gawd, the RNC well of talking points has run dry. Is this the best you can do?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:26 PM on 12/30/2008
- Hugh-Gee I'm a Fan of Hugh-Gee 3 fans permalink
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Reading the two candidates' statements, it's clear who is temperamentally suited to the Senate, and who is stomping his feet and whining "It's UNFAIR!!!" without offering up any proof of his allegations.

This one's for you, Paul!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:01 PM on 12/30/2008
- BartLA I'm a Fan of BartLA 19 fans permalink
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The Senate seat will be decided just in time for... the next election.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:00 PM on 12/30/2008
- BalletMom I'm a Fan of BalletMom 37 fans permalink
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New email -

Dear Friend,

I wanted to take a moment to thank you for your support and your patience during this long recount process.

Today I've got good news to report: it looks like we're on track to win. The state canvassing board has completed its job of reviewing all the ballots - and at the end of this important step in the process, we're ahead.

Now, there's more to do before it's over - there are still some Minnesotans whose voices haven't been heard yet because their absentee ballots were improperly rejected. But when those votes are counted and the recount is complete, I believe we will have won this election.

I'm so thankful for all you've done to make that possible. With a margin this close, it's no exaggeration to say that not one bit of effort was wasted. And I can't tell you how much it's meant to me and Franni to be able to work alongside all of you.

We've got a lot of important work left to do together to get this country back on track - and with the recount process almost over, I want you to know that I'm ready to get to work on day one. For now, though, I'd like to thank you for all you've done, and to wish you and your family a Happy New Year. I think it's going to be a great one.

Thanks. And I'll talk to you soon.

Al

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:49 PM on 12/30/2008

HAPPY HANUKKAH BILL O'REILLY

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:35 PM on 12/30/2008
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OT -- but Blago plans to appoint AG Burris to senate seat....

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/12/30/blagojevich-to-appoint-ro_n_154240.html

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:33 PM on 12/30/2008
- Madison007 I'm a Fan of Madison007 7 fans permalink

Go Al Franken! win the election!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:30 PM on 12/30/2008
- Spud777 I'm a Fan of Spud777 7 fans permalink

Coleman is simply doing what all Republicans do all the time, try to steal elections. It has worked numerous times, the two biggest examples are the George Bush elections in 2000 and 2004.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:17 PM on 12/30/2008
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Wasn't this election held like a year ago? How long does it take to count 50 freakin ballots?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:17 PM on 12/30/2008
- LeftRight I'm a Fan of LeftRight 111 fans permalink
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You mean 2.9 million, with one side insisting that all ballots be counted and the other side insisting that only the ballots cast for him being counted???

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:24 PM on 12/30/2008
- Grunty1 I'm a Fan of Grunty1 222 fans permalink

"You know, you have such a stunningly superficial knowledge of what went on that it's almost embarrassing to listen to you."

Less than 2 months ago, not a year, and 2.9 million, not 50.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:57 PM on 12/30/2008
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Hyperbole, my friend.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:26 PM on 12/30/2008
- nick1936 I'm a Fan of nick1936 17 fans permalink

When is the SOS going to show some balls and certify the vote any more arguments let Colman take his beef to the new Senate . Thats if old Norm is not in jail by then

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:15 PM on 12/30/2008

*applause applause* Best of luck Al!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:13 PM on 12/30/2008
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