Dems Consider Kennedy's Rough Road A Blessing

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December 31, 2008 10:10 AM

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There are interesting, dueling dynamics emerging in the pseudo campaign of Caroline Kennedy to take over New York's soon-to-be-vacant Senate seat.

As the largely apolitical former first daughter stumbles on her early foray into big-time politics, she is, in the process, learning how to be a more formidable politician. That is the synopsis of one high-ranking Democratic official who spoke to the Huffington Post on condition of anonymity.

The individual, acknowledging that Kennedy has experienced a rough few days in her roll-out to replace Sen. Hillary Clinton, argued that the process would, in the end, be good for her long-term ambitions. Provided that Gov. David Paterson appoints her to the post, the fine-tuning would serve her well during a difficult special election in 2010 -- likely against Rep. Peter King -- and, potentially, another hard reelection campaign in 2012.

In this regard, Kennedy's attempts to win Paterson's favor represent a delicate tightrope walk: enough of a legitimate trial to forge some experience but, perhaps, too rocky a process to earn her the seat.

In private, those close to Kennedy say they anticipated the bumps and the bruises and certainly the tough press. Moreover, her allies argue that she brings to the Democratic ticket something that other, more traditionally experienced Senators could not: the ability to raise cash with little effort and forged ties to Barack Obama.

Obama, to a certain extent, actually provides a template for how Kennedy can learn on the fly. The president-elect followed a smooth road to the Illinois State Senate in 1996, when he used election rules to effectively eliminate Democratic competition. During the U.S. Senate campaign in '04, meanwhile, domestic abuse charges derailed his main primary challenger while embarrassing child custody records persuaded the Republican candidate to drop out of the race -- to be replaced by Alan Keyes.

As such, when Obama stumbled early on in the presidential primary -- lingering in the polls despite large fundraising numbers -- it was interpreted by the media as a lack of readiness for the national stage.

Of course, the similarities between Obama and Kennedy only go so far, and begin to end with consideration of each one's natural political acumen and oratorical abilities. But there are some amusing parallels to note. Kennedy, for instance, made a rocky showing of a recent New York Times interview in which she bristled at the quality of questions being asked by the reporter.

"Have you guys ever thought about writing for, like, a woman's magazine or something?" she asked David Halbfinger, before chiding him a bit further. "I thought you were the crack political team here."

Obama, too, had his early moment of conflict with the Grey Lady, as referenced in an early primary filing from columnist Maureen Dowd.

"When The Times's Jeff Zeleny asked him on his plane whether he'd had a heater in his podium during his announcement speech in subzero Springfield, Mr. Obama hesitated," Dowd wrote. "He shot Jeff a look that said, "Are you from People magazine?" before conceding that, unlike Abe Lincoln, he'd had a heater."

There are interesting, dueling dynamics emerging in the pseudo campaign of Caroline Kennedy to take over New York's soon-to-be-vacant Senate seat. As the largely apolitical former first daughter stum...
There are interesting, dueling dynamics emerging in the pseudo campaign of Caroline Kennedy to take over New York's soon-to-be-vacant Senate seat. As the largely apolitical former first daughter stum...
 
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Who is the Grey Lady?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:37 PM on 01/02/2009

Caroline's greatest assets are that she:

(i) is not a career politician so she brings a different perspective to the office;

(ii) has nothing financial to personally gain from the office, so she is unlikely to end up on the corruption scandal;

(iii) already has the political limelight so she is less focused on self-aggra­ndizement;

(iv) values public service so she will focus on serving the people;

(v) will have the guidance and support of her totally devoted Uncle Ted and to an extreme liberal like me, this is music to the ears if she can influence socio-justice in any way close to what her Uncle Ted has done

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:04 PM on 01/01/2009
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i) Just because someone has spent years serving in lower office does not mean they would not do a good job. Someone who has demonstrated the ability to introduce and get legislation passed and has a consistent voting record gives us the information we need to figure out what they are likely to do in the senate.

ii) People who are born to wealth are not inherently more honest than people who were not. GW Bush and Wall Street have demonstrated that over the past several years. Someone who has lived under public scrutiny for the past several years and not been embroiled in scandal can reasonably be expected to remain so.

iii) Those who are born to fame are no less apt to be prone to vanity than those who are not. Those public servants who are being dismissed for their lack of national name recognition and fame don't deserved to be accused of self-aggra­ndizement.

iv) Those who have worked full time on behalf of the people clearly value public service. I think it is safe to say they do even more than someone who has merely served on some charity boards and in a one-day-a-week fundraising job for the NYC public schools.

v) Those who have already introduced and passed legislation don't need an uncle to hold their hand and tell them how to vote. Some, like Carolyn Maloney, are rated as even more progressive than Ted Kennedy.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:38 PM on 01/01/2009

Oh hell, forget the senate seat. Just go straight for the presidency.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:21 PM on 01/01/2009
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I wonder how much that'll cost her.

At least I'll be able to take that summer off from campaigning. I don't do volunteer work for people who buy elections. She'll have to pay the canvassers the same way McCain did.

Unless, of course, all you people who love her for her father actually get out. I honestly don't foresee her getting the support of all those post-Boomers who did the work for Obama. She's not an inspiring speaker, and the female relative of a politician isn't the groundbreaking inspiration that he was.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:01 PM on 01/01/2009

They only love the JFK they have invented. They'd hate the real JFK.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:44 PM on 01/01/2009
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But I bet she knows to what the Bush doctrine might refer. There is a difference between being incompetent and inexperienced. Time will tell whether she learns from her mistakes. Obama does that brilliantly.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:19 PM on 12/31/2008
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"But I bet she knows to what the Bush doctrine might refer. "

I'll bet she doesn't.

She'll get the seat because it is a payoff for bringing in so many votes to Obama. She bought the seat plain and simple...s­he just used votes instead of money.

As so many on here have pointed out, she is as qualified as many in the Senate. I say go with her. Why should we start having standards now to clean up Congress? Let's just keep doing the same old thing. It's worked so well for us thus far.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:52 PM on 01/01/2009

She's not as qualified as about a dozen others who deserve that appointment.

Now that Caroline Kennedy has crossed the line and become "controversial," -- not to mention "ridiculous" -- perhaps Paterson will reconsider whether he can afford to appoint her, when any of the above-mentioned dozen would be acceptable to New York State Democrats.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:34 PM on 01/01/2009

I think CK, in her stumbling, bumbling interviews, is doing real damage to her own reputation. She's not been good at all. She's been unable to articulate any kind of vision, any kind of reason WHY she's running now, any sense of WHAT she'd accomplish. She refuses to answer basic questions on positions. And the "you know" interviews could be devastating -- they make her look ridiculous, which is not so good in a politician.

I am wondering if SNL will do a skit this weekend...

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:25 PM on 12/31/2008
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Did you vote for Blago?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:08 PM on 12/31/2008
- meko I'm a Fan of meko 46 fans permalink
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He too came in thanks to a relative and used his inexperience as proof of his integrity. Some people didn't buy it, but I wouldn't be surprised if the people who did buy the same outsider line from her.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:02 PM on 01/01/2009

I sure hope so, but I fear not. The ridicule might cause the poor delicate little thing to have a breakdown.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:35 PM on 01/01/2009
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no being from New York, i would like to she her in the seat, overall her vote will help the democrats get the votes and she is a great person, she is well liked, she is a Constitutional Lawyer, and yes she has done alot for education,.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:24 PM on 12/31/2008
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She passed the bar, but never practiced law. She never filed a brief. You can call her a lawyer, but it's a stretch to call someone who never practiced a constitutional lawyer.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:03 PM on 01/01/2009

She's not well liked anymore. And she's not only not a constitutional lawyer -- she's not ANY kind of a lawyer, since among the many things she never bother to do is to practice law.

Tell us, in detail, exactly what she has done for education. We keep hearing this, and we would like specifics.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:37 PM on 01/01/2009

Yes, specifics would be nice. I AM from NY and CK has refused to give a single position on any issue! Since when can someone who wants to be appointed get away with that? All we have is some generic reasons as to why she wants the seat, nothing about where she stands on anything, what she would do or how she would do it. Absurd.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:53 PM on 01/02/2009
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I think Caroline Kennedy, is the best possible choice for senator in my state.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:16 PM on 12/31/2008
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Based on what?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:46 PM on 01/01/2009
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You don't respect any of your state senators, assembly representatives, congressional representatives, mayors or other office holders. Wow! I have a feeling that you won't be knocking on doors when she runs for reelection.

Thank goodness for the Democrats sake she can raise a lot of money. She's going to need it. Because I don't see voters who were born after the death of JFK volunteering for her the way we did for Obama.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:06 PM on 01/01/2009

Which state would that be?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:37 PM on 01/01/2009
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She'll vote the way I'd want my senators to vote...tha­t's what counts.

I don't care what her last name is...it is a two year seat. NY can put her out and they can vote for a strong Dem during the primaries if they don't want her to continue. We really have bigger things on our national plate. For two years CK will not cause harm.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:56 PM on 12/31/2008
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That's your standard? As long as we don't expect her to be a disaster, we overlook all the people who've demonstrated the ability to accomplish things on behalf of the democratic progressive values?

Why not put Byron Brown, Carolyn Maloney, Thomas Suozzi, Nydia Velazquez, Kirsten Gillibrand, or Steve Israel in the seat and let Kennedy run if things don't work out. She'll still have wealth, connections, and name recognition. Even Andrew Cuomo has a record. In fact, you can judge how all of these people can be expected to vote based on their records. Why not be a responsible citizen and look them up?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:03 PM on 12/31/2008
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Steve Israel's district was once one of the most conservative districts on Long Island. In 2002, however, the district was gerrymandered to Israel's advantage, removing much of the heavily middle-class, Republican South Shore neighborhoods and incorporating some of the more liberal and heavily Jewish areas on Long Island's affluent North Shore into the district.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:41 PM on 12/31/2008
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It's too hard to look them up. Isn't it enough that we've heard of her and want to have a beer with her?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:48 PM on 01/01/2009

Wow - rather than select a senator who has a legislative track record and could accomplish something, you're willing to write off the position as irrelevant for the next two years.

How short-sighted of you.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:24 PM on 01/01/2009

New Yorkers don't want to settle for a person who "won't cause harm." What kind of verkockter qualification is that? We have a dozen people who have the experience and talent to be extremely able Senators. Why should we be stuck with Little Miss Training Wheels and her pet checkbook?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:40 PM on 01/01/2009
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You know like CK would you know make a good senator because you know she has a lot of experience you know.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:37 PM on 12/31/2008
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The media are covering their a***es just in case the inevitable but alas undeserving "front-runner" actually gets appointed.

CK is pathetic, but, you know, sadly, that is where we as a nation are.

She is Obama's pick so he can have her as VP in 2012.

Why else would she be so intent on this Senate seat when there are countless other ways she could "serve" and demonstrate her commitment to improving other people's lives . . . for a change.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:29 PM on 12/31/2008
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I will not spend all of my days off of work canvassing for Obama again if she's his VP pick. I won't even vote for him. Caroline Kennedy is an insult to those who value merit and hard work when judging who is qualified for a position. This would be especially true for a VP pick.

I can't imagine her, with her limited experience, being a heartbeat from the President. Head of the NEA, yes. Ambassador to Bermuda, yes. But my goodness. It would shock me. VP isn't an appropriate reward for 6 weeks campaigning. Besides, I don't think the VP choice is that important for an incumbent's election.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:32 PM on 12/31/2008
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Agreed, but don't you see the positioning? She gets in now, courtesy of Patterson, then re-elected in 2010, so she will have 4 years' Senate experience come 2012.

It would be a long shot, but I'll bet that's what is going on. Obama has referred to her more than once as his dear friend ...whateve­r that means. She wants to be in DC and now that she made sure Hillary was out of the picture, she's going for this "opportuni­ty."

Then she has 4 years as VP and is the incumbent in 2016.

Of course, this is the world of assumptions about the rich ...but they do seem to get what they want.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:56 PM on 12/31/2008

She says she will run in the next election regardless of who gets appointed now. I hope she does and I hope she puts to shame all those who are bad-mouthing her right now. I thought comparing Sarah Palin to Hillary Clinton was an insult to Hillary. I think comparing Caroline Kennedy to Hillary Clinton is an insult to Caroline. And I'm looking at the women, not their families.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:05 PM on 12/31/2008

I'd love to see her run and have to participate in like, you know, like, a debate.

Then she could really, you know, tell her story on, you know, the, you know, stuff she'd like do in the Senate.

Her speaking "ability" demonstrates that either she's been losing it over the years, or Harvard really lowered the bar for admissions.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:29 PM on 01/01/2009
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The bar for Harvard is high for scholarship students. It's high for the middle-class and working class. It's not for the wealthy and famous.

George W. Bush went to Yale and got an MBA at Harvard. I've worked with a lot of Harvard grads. If they weren't born middle class, don't make assumptions.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:49 PM on 01/01/2009

Actually, she reversed herself and said she won't run against the person Paterson appoints if it is not her.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:42 PM on 01/01/2009
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Ruled by a name...loo­k how that worked out for the last eight years.

By the logic that is this sham of a Senate anointing we should forgo any meritocracy and begin appointing the offspring of the famous to rule over the rest of us poor shlubs.

Why ask Warren Buffet to help with the economic mess get his son in there to straighten out the knotty tangle. Colin Powel put his kid in charge of the military, call on all of the rich and famous children we could avoid the sticky mess of democracy.

Obviously being well born trumps ambition, talent and a tenacious work ethic. Those of us struggling to get out of the gutter should relax and enjoy.. we could be more like Iraq where the Hussein brothers ruled their people so well.

It would make deciding what to do in November easier obviously we won't be bombarded with calls from AL Franken for money for recounts and such because hey the money is in power at the head of the line who needs us? ummm......­You know.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:36 PM on 12/31/2008
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Colin Powell "put his kid in charge of the military"? I must have missed that one. Michael Powell was chairman of the FCC, and gave the cable and phone industries everything they asked for and more.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:57 PM on 12/31/2008
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The statement about Colin Powell's son was an analogy to putting Caroline Kennedy in the seat. She's not JFK or RFK. It's the same as the analogy to Warren Buffet's son. Choosing any of these people based on their DNA is equally anti-democratic.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:04 PM on 12/31/2008
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Oh please. Ms. Kennedy is toast. Her interviews were absolutely inexcusable. She is almost as bad as Sarah Palin, but without the babe factor.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:34 PM on 12/31/2008

Although I initially thought that her appointment might be a good idea, learning of her spotty voting record and pitiful donations, along with her apparent inability to respond in any vaguely articulate way to the press or public makes me think that there really are no solid grounds to appoint her. Just as she has never worked for a living, she aspires to a top political position the easy way. Let her work for something once in this lifetime.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:45 PM on 12/31/2008
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U make valid points, marrig.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:47 PM on 01/02/2009
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Agreed...

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:27 AM on 01/03/2009
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