Oregon Looks At Taxing Mileage Instead Of Gasoline

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RYAN KOST | January 2, 2009 09:27 PM EST | AP

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Jim Wierson of Clackamas, talks about the idea of a mileage tax as he stands next to his pick-up in Portland, Ore., Wednesday, Dec. 31, 2008. Facing the possibility of lower tax revenue from gasoline sales, the state is considering a tax not on the number of gallons purchased, but on the number of miles driven. (AP Photo/Greg Wahl-Stephens)

PORTLAND, Ore. — Oregon is among a growing number of states exploring ways to tax drivers based on the number of miles they drive instead of how much gas they use, even going so far as to install GPS monitoring devices in 300 vehicles. The idea first emerged nearly 10 years ago as Oregon lawmakers worried that fuel-efficient cars such as gas-electric hybrids could pose a threat to road upkeep, which is paid for largely with gasoline taxes.

"I'm glad we're taking a look at it before the potholes get so big that we can't even get out of them," said Leroy Younglove, a Portland driver who participated in a recent pilot program.

The proposal is not without critics, including drivers who are concerned about privacy and others who fear the tax could eliminate the financial incentive for buying efficient vehicles.

But Oregon is ahead of the nation in exploring the concept, even though it will probably be years before any mileage tax is adopted.

Congress is talking about it, too. A congressional commission has envisioned a system similar to the prototype Oregon tested in 2006-2007.

The National Commission on Surface Transportation Infrastructure Financing is considering calling for higher gas taxes to keep highways, bridges and transit programs in good shape.

But over the long term, commission members say, the nation should consider taxing mileage rather than gasoline as drivers use more fuel-efficient and electric vehicles.

As cars burn less fuel, "the gas tax isn't going to fill the bill," said Rep. Peter DeFazio of Oregon, a member of the House Transportation and Infrastructure Committee.

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The next Congress "could begin to set the stage, perhaps looking at some much more robust pilot programs, to begin the research, to work with manufacturers."

Gov. Ted Kulongoski has included development money for the tax in his budget proposal, and interest is growing in a number of other states.

Governors in Idaho and Rhode Island have considered systems that would require drivers to report their mileage when they register vehicles.

In North Carolina last month, a panel suggested charging motorists a quarter-cent for every mile as a substitute for the gas tax.

James Whitty, the Oregon Department of Transportation employee in charge of the state's effort, said he's also heard talk of mileage tax proposals in Ohio, Pennsylvania, Florida, Colorado and Minnesota.

"There is kind of a coalition that's naturally forming around this," he said.

Also fueling the search for alternatives is the political difficulty of raising gasoline taxes.

The federal gas tax has not been raised since 1993, and nearly two dozen states have not changed their taxes since 1997, according to the American Road & Transportation Builders Association.

In Oregon's pilot program, officials equipped 300 vehicles with GPS transponders that worked wirelessly with service station pumps, allowing drivers to pay their mileage tax just as they do their gas tax.

Whitty said the test, which involved two gas stations in the Portland area, proved the idea could work.

Though the GPS devices did not track the cars' locations in great detail, they could determine when a driver had left certain zones, such as the state of Oregon. They also kept track of the time the driving was done, so a premium could be charged for rush-hour mileage.

The proposal envisions a gradual change, with manufacturers installing the technology in new vehicles because retrofitting old cars would be too expensive. Owners of older vehicles would continue to pay gasoline taxes.

The difference in tax based on mileage or on gasoline would be small _ "pennies per transaction at the pump," Whitty said.

But the mileage tax still faces several major obstacles.

For one, Oregon accounts for only a small part of auto sales, so the state can't go it alone. A multistate or national system would be needed.

Another concern is that such devices could threaten privacy. Whitty said he and his task force have assured people that the program does not track detailed movement and that driving history is not stored and cannot be accessed by law enforcement agencies.

"I think most people will come to realize there is really no tracking issue and will continue to buy new cars," Whitty said, noting that many cell phones now come equipped with GPS, which has not deterred customers.

Others are worried that a mileage tax would undermine years of incentives to switch toward more fuel-efficient vehicles.

"It doesn't seem fair," said Paul Niedergang of Portland, that a hybrid would be taxed as much as his Dodge pickup. "I just think the gas tax needs to be updated."

Lynda Williams, also of Portland, was not immediately sold on the idea but said it was worth consideration.

"We all have to be open-minded," she said. "Our current system just isn't working."

PORTLAND, Ore. — Oregon is among a growing number of states exploring ways to tax drivers based on the number of miles they drive instead of how much gas they use, even going so far as to instal...
PORTLAND, Ore. — Oregon is among a growing number of states exploring ways to tax drivers based on the number of miles they drive instead of how much gas they use, even going so far as to instal...
 
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- condew I'm a Fan of condew 9 fans permalink

Yeh, sure, GPS only for the tax. Then speeding tickets and no-turn violations just start arriving in the mail. Then your employer asks you to explain what you were doing in a certain part of town last night, because your car was within a half mile of a political event she dissaproves of, or your credit card gets cancelled and the rumor is that its based on where you've been. Or you get called into a police lineup based on ...

Once the tracking device is in your car, or your phone, the people who never believed in privacy will rapidly expand use of the data. Just like the police powers granted to fight terrorism were almost immediately applied to the "drug war".

You might even use it to nail old people who go get a perscription filled in Canada.


And what is my incentive to drive a fuel-efficient car?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:49 PM on 01/03/2009
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Use it to check your time in the bar, casino, buying those cigarettes across the state line. All of those activities could be argued as a "compelling government interest" to use the GPS to track possible illegal behavior.

Maybe they will even put a weight sensor in there; to tell when you have bought that keg for the party; or maybe to stop your vehicle to check the trunk.
Big Brother is watching.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:54 PM on 01/03/2009
- drock973 I'm a Fan of drock973 9 fans permalink

"Once the tracking device is in your car, or your phone"

Your cellphone itself is a tracking device.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:27 PM on 01/03/2009
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I guess we might as well go ahead and skip the car GFPS, the national ID, etc. and just let them implant a chip in us. This is getting out of control. There are o few of us "liberals" that still think "liberal" mean freedom from government interference in out private lives. WEW have slid down the slippery slope of "taxation" being " a compelling government interest" to take away our freedoms. Throung this "standard of review" the courts have held time and again that the need for government taxation trumps individual rights as guaranteed in the Constitution. This needs to stop. Send me a bill, if you just have to, but the government need to quit spying on it's law abiding citizens.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:49 PM on 01/03/2009
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Another attempt at curtailing our freedoms..­This is a terrible idea. The fact is that many lower income people, outside of large metro areas, live further from the subsistence wage jobs. The further the housing is from employment areas (towns) the cheaper the housing. Many minimum wage familes live outside city limits, especially in the Mid West and South. They are are impacted by having to drive 20 miles or more in their rattle trap cars to get to work at Wal Mart and McDonalds. Believe me, those people will never own a hybrid; they are already paying their share via fuel tax. The solution to this is much simpler and much more cost efficient. Just like many states (if not all ) license plates , vehicle tax predicated on the type of vehicle (Motorcycle, truck, RV) hybrid / electric should just be placed in a separate tax class. This is a total no brainer. The "have" are going to once again impose their burdens on the "havenots". Be careful "haves" your maids / gardenders won't be to afford drive in. Mom and pop businesses would really be impacted by this stupidity ; their employees will not be able to afford to get to work. The group hit hardest by this idea would be the elderly, that often have to drive quite a distance to various doctors and other medical care; unlikely to have hybrids either, and can barely make ends meet. Re-think this unfair legislation.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:43 PM on 01/03/2009
- Palemoon I'm a Fan of Palemoon 166 fans permalink
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Wait a minute, when gas was skyrocketing they were telling us to drive less so that, like here in Georgia where we had massive gas shortages for much of the summer, there would be no gas shortages at the pumps from people panic filling their vehicvles? They encourage people to buy hybrids to extend their mileage and cut their gasoline useage. We are given tax credits by the IRS for going green and saving fuel.

Now they want to punish us for it? Who was the Einstein that came up with this idea? I'm guessing Big Oil lobbyists are suddenly feeling the crunch of not making as big a profit as they had been. And could someone explain to me why the oil companies don't set their own prices? In every other capitalist corporation, the pricing is set by the creators of the product. Whether it's beanie babies, cabbage patch kids or a coca-cola, the corps all set the price for the product. Except gasoline. Why? I got an idea, let's force them to be like every other corporation.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:27 PM on 01/03/2009
- RatgurlSD I'm a Fan of RatgurlSD 10 fans permalink

While I understand considering taxing mileage as a way to recoup road usage funds, it unfairly fines the people who, because they could not afford to purchase home closer to their places of work, were forced to move to the outskirts of cities in order to offer their families a decent place to live. There must be a better solution.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:10 PM on 01/03/2009
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I wrote on that issue about 6 pages back; you are correct. Urban dwellers have little information of the millions of working poor in rural America

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:13 PM on 01/03/2009
- Scoppertop I'm a Fan of Scoppertop 14 fans permalink
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Taxing oil company profits is a waaaaaay better idea than this.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:50 PM on 01/03/2009
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Worst idea since the Iraq invasion.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:38 PM on 01/03/2009
- allwrite I'm a Fan of allwrite 14 fans permalink

Seems to be a lot of posters who apparently think this country is not broke and has nothing that needs fixing. Reality check, pls.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:31 PM on 01/03/2009
- JEP57 I'm a Fan of JEP57 7 fans permalink

As soon as the government mandates the "big brother" installation of GPS transponders in vehicles to track mileage, you will suddenly see a lot of "accidently broken" units in these same vehicles, and we will be in a country that we won't recognize any more.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:18 PM on 01/03/2009
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Yes, "regulations"; unecessary for the public good, turn average law abiding citizens into "criminals"

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:05 PM on 01/03/2009
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Wow, a tax on the great American right of traveling around. I am disgusted to be a democrat right now.
Oregon, it is up to you to remove the clowns who thought of this and soon. Replace them with republicans if you have to. This is the kind of cr ap that Oreilly and Seannity feed off of. And we have democrats that are stupid enough to keep doing it.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:39 PM on 01/03/2009
- allwrite I'm a Fan of allwrite 14 fans permalink

Let's halve military spending. Do you think the loudmouth Fox boys will go for that?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:18 PM on 01/03/2009

They should do some soul searching

http://www.flickr.com/photos/coyote2012/3161750403/

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:31 PM on 01/03/2009
- ArchAngel I'm a Fan of ArchAngel 10 fans permalink

The real problem is that greedy developers have been allowed to create many thousands of miles of unneeded roads and highways to fuel land development and sprawl.

Instead, we are moving towards travel as a privilege rather than as a right.

And you can be sure that it will eventually end up with exact time and place tracking of your movements regardless of what they are saying now.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:17 PM on 01/03/2009
- bannorhill I'm a Fan of bannorhill 31 fans permalink

Another crazy left wing idea.

How would you monitor the mileage? Would the state check your mileage every year? What happens if you drive the family to Disneyland? Do you get taxed in Oregon for the 2400 miles you drove in California?

It makes more sense to raise gasoline tax because:

1) The infrastructure is already in place. You don't have to add a new tax collecting department.

2) It does not intrude on "individual privacy" issues.

3) Heavier gas guzzlers that do more damage to the roads will pay more taxes because they use more gas.

4) It would encourage people to buy more fuel efficient cars.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:06 PM on 01/03/2009
- SammyD I'm a Fan of SammyD 11 fans permalink

guess pizza delivery is out in the future. Time to buy those gas guzzlers again. Bad idea.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:05 PM on 01/03/2009
- rmarie I'm a Fan of rmarie 2 fans permalink

That's a good point I bet none of the idiots trying to push this thought of- what about people who depend on driving to make a living? I know someone who actually pays their mortgage from delivering food from local restaurants because of being laid off- people like them shouldn't be punished just for working.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:23 PM on 01/04/2009
- EdwardTx I'm a Fan of EdwardTx 2 fans permalink

This is an absurd idea.

So if your state and local leaders were not feeding at the federal trough early enough to build an extensive mass transit system you are being penalized because you have to drive? Think Houston.

If your local leaders did not have the good sense to pursue economic development in a rational way and you have to drive a considerable distance to work, you are penalized? Think Houston.

If your state and local leaders have not wisely used funds to maintain roads, you are penalized? Think Houston and the State of Texas.

I question the basic premise of this tax. What percentage of motor vehicles are hybrid? And how much wear and tear have those vehicles contributed to the country's roadways? As others have pointed out, bad science in the form of faulty premises leads to stupid decisions.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:19 AM on 01/03/2009
- fredamae I'm a Fan of fredamae 34 fans permalink

Give me all the info you can. I live in Oregon and will join others in opposing this BS! Most of Oregon is Very Rural, just to go to a store will cost us 20+ Miles....e­ach way.

I guess the "path of Least resistance" is to just sign over every cent WE Work for and be done with it, EH?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:22 PM on 01/03/2009
- dmthurman I'm a Fan of dmthurman 2 fans permalink

Hey the easy solution is to MOVE, why in the hell would anyone actually want to live in Houston anyway. Besides, ALL states were feeding at the trough, some were moronic and decided on freeways others opted for light rail. I'm pretty sure the local leadership was a reflection of the publics mentality at the time. Seems kind of stupid now doesn't it.

BTW, Portland had a freeway slated to go through the middle of town, they opted instead for light rail. Bwaaah....­.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:40 PM on 01/03/2009
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