Franken Race: Minnesota Court Deals Coleman New Blow

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BRIAN BAKST | January 5, 2009 10:38 PM EST | AP

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In a Sept. 23, 2008 file photo Democratic candidate for the Minnesota Senate Al Franken makes remarks at the National Jewish Democratic Council in Washington. The Minnesota state Canvassing Board is expected to certify the results of the re-count of the race between Franken and Republican incumbant Norm Coleman, Monday, Jan. 5, 2009. (AP Photo/Lawrence Jackson/file)

ST. PAUL, Minn. — A Minnesota board on Monday certified results showing Democrat Al Franken winning the state's U.S. Senate recount over Republican Norm Coleman, whose lawyer promised a legal challenge that probably will keep the race in limbo for months.

The Canvassing Board's declaration started a seven-day clock for Coleman, the incumbent, to file a lawsuit protesting the result. His attorney Tony Trimble said the challenge will be filed within 24 hours. The challenge will keep Franken from getting the election certificate he needs to take the seat in Washington.

"This process isn't at an end," Trimble said. "It is now just at the beginning."

Franken, a former "Saturday Night Live" personality, ended the recount up by 225 votes, an astonishingly thin margin in a race where more than 2.9 million votes were cast.

"After 62 days of careful and painstaking hand-inspection of nearly 3 million ballots, after hours and hours of hard work by election officials and volunteers around the state, I am proud to stand before you as the next senator from Minnesota," Franken said Monday in brief remarks to reporters outside his downtown Minneapolis condominium.

Coleman's campaign said he would make an appearance Tuesday in Minnesota. He was in Washington on Monday.

The recount reversed the unofficial Election Day results, which showed Coleman with a 215-vote lead.

Franken made up the deficit over seven tortuous weeks of ballot-sifting in part by prevailing on challenges that both campaigns brought to thousands of ballots. He also did better than Coleman when election officials opened and counted more than 900 absentee ballots that had erroneously been disqualified on Election Day.

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Coleman's lawyers have argued that some ballots were mishandled and others were wrongly excluded from the recount, giving Franken an unfair advantage. The final blow came earlier Monday, when the Minnesota Supreme Court denied Coleman's petition to add hundreds more disqualified absentee ballots from Republican-leaning areas to the count.

Secretary of State Mark Ritchie was careful to note Monday that the board was simply signing off on the numbers found by the recount: Franken, with 1,212,431 votes, and Coleman, with 1,212,206 votes.

"We're not doing anything today that declares winners or losers or anything to that effect," Ritchie said.

All five members of the canvassing board _ Ritchie, plus two state Supreme Court justices and two Ramsey County judges _ voted to accept the recount results.

A lawsuit would extend the fight over the seat for months. Any court case would open doors closed to the campaigns during the administrative recount. They would be able to access voter rolls, inspect machines and get testimony from election workers.

The case would fall to a three-judge panel picked by Chief Justice Eric Magnuson of the Supreme Court. Magnuson served on the Canvassing Board, but declined to say Monday if he would remove himself from the selection process as a result. Magnuson was an appointee of Republican Gov. Tim Pawlenty.

The campaigns continued the political maneuvering that has marked the nearly two months of the recount.

Marc Elias, Franken's lead recount attorney, referred to his client as "Senator-elect Franken."

"Former Senator Coleman has to make a decision," Elias said. "And it is a profound decision, one that he has to look into his heart to make: Whether or not he wants to be the roadblock to the state moving forward and play the role of a spoiler or sore loser or whether he wants to accept what was a very close election."

"The race in Minnesota is over," said Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid, D-Nev. He called the Republican efforts to continue challenging Franken's election "only a little finger pointing."

A spokesman for Reid said there would be no effort to seat Franken when Congress convenes Tuesday.

Trimble, meanwhile, said that irregularities in the recount mean there "can be no confidence" in the results. And he said Coleman didn't want any delay in filing a challenge.

Minnesota law doesn't allow the issuance of a final election certificate until legal challenges are settled, meaning the state will be represented only by Sen. Amy Klobuchar, a Democrat, when Congress convenes on Tuesday. Coleman's term expired Saturday.

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Associated Press writer Amy Forliti contributed to this report.

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The better candidate won.
Which isn't saying a lot. Al Franken, the winner, is a weiner, a whiner, an egomaniac with no experience, totally lacking in humility. And Norm Coleman is even worse. He has the morals of a goat.
Minnesota is a mess. Maybe the cold does something to brain cells.
Alaska...Minnesota...what is it about people who like to spend half the year battling blizards, the other half battling mosquitoes?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:45 PM on 01/05/2009
- indypete I'm a Fan of indypete 178 fans permalink
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Hey, you kids.... GET OFF MY LAWN!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:22 PM on 01/05/2009
- GLT21 I'm a Fan of GLT21 3 fans permalink
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I doubt you know anything about Senator Franken. He knows more about politics than you ever will.

Sorry you lost your brain cells to the cold.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:25 PM on 01/05/2009
- Swatantra I'm a Fan of Swatantra 24 fans permalink
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I have met and talked with Al Franken, and you are wrong about him.
I think I read him pretty well. He is very real, very approachable -- a genuinely nice guy.
He is cut from the same cloth as Obama. He truly wants to work for the regular folks like you and me. He has no big selfish agenda. His heart is right out there and he means exactly what he says.
You're going to have to trust me on this.
I have a very responsive BS meter and it does not go off when i talk with him.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:28 PM on 01/05/2009
- lizziekw I'm a Fan of lizziekw 39 fans permalink

I agree, he's a very decent guy.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:05 PM on 01/05/2009
- zoozey I'm a Fan of zoozey 34 fans permalink

I think in his heart, he really is Stuart Smalley.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:07 PM on 01/05/2009
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The goat has questionable morals? Who knew? The phrase "got my goat" has new and exciting significance. By your analysis, a cold goat must be REALLY bad. I think there's an open desk at Fox news for you. Although, with the "winner, weiner, whiner" thing, you may already be working there.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:45 PM on 01/05/2009
- badfluffy I'm a Fan of badfluffy 5 fans permalink

I don't know where you are from, but I am sure it is an ideal and wondrous land where all of your elected officials do no wrong and everyone lives happily ever after free of corruption or graft.
Good for you.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:00 PM on 01/05/2009
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Hey, Normie - I hear that the Sec of Commerce job may open up. Might be just the place for a former DEMOCRATIC Mayor of St Paul! Time for another quick party switch? Remember you're not leaving the Republicans, they are leaving you.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:40 PM on 01/05/2009

Excellent point, Leon Panneta was a leader in the republican party in California and he got a pretty good job with Clinton first and now Clinton / Obama or Obama / Clinton however you prefer it...

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:46 PM on 01/05/2009
- Grunty1 I'm a Fan of Grunty1 234 fans permalink

He would switch in a heart beat. All it will take is the Republicans to deny him a try at another seat and the Democrats to offer him one...

But why would we want slime like that?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:19 PM on 01/05/2009
- mlaiuppa I'm a Fan of mlaiuppa 41 fans permalink
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Funny. Coleman only fought for "every vote" of Minnesotans to count after he lost. And only fighting for those that are for him? Time to concede. Save your money for your corruption defense.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:27 PM on 01/05/2009
- JinMN I'm a Fan of JinMN 2 fans permalink

yeah Mlaiuppa, Coleman didn't want absentee ballots counted and now he does lol.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:27 PM on 01/05/2009
- Swatantra I'm a Fan of Swatantra 24 fans permalink
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There are worse things than losing an election.

One thing that is worse is losing, and then whining, complaining, nit-picking and litigating on and on and on, ad nauseum until the broadest consensus overwhelmingly concludes that you lost.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:23 PM on 01/05/2009

you are correct - when I talk to many of my friends they still whine and complain and insist that Gore won the last Presidental election etc.

Let Franken be seated and lets get on with it. I would expect Minnisota will be howling and wringing their hands soon enough like they did with Ventura...

The biggest question is what is in the water up there?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:31 PM on 01/05/2009
- Grunty1 I'm a Fan of Grunty1 234 fans permalink

Franken should be seated with the rest of the Senators. If he is not, we are setting up a terrible precedent that the Republicans could simply continually sue to block ANY Democratic nominee from taking office.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:17 PM on 01/05/2009

it is just a shame that the two democratic Senators that are causing such a stir are being put forth under such shameful situations.

You have to give Richardson a huge amount of respect for not letting his personal problems over shadow his nomination. It is too bad Blago couldn't muster up that kind of character.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:35 PM on 01/05/2009
- stepper I'm a Fan of stepper 16 fans permalink
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DontJustFollow, Um, what Board do you think you're on?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:10 PM on 01/05/2009
- democracy7 I'm a Fan of democracy7 11 fans permalink

I think you are off topic. Too bad

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:20 PM on 01/05/2009
- zoozey I'm a Fan of zoozey 34 fans permalink

What shameful situation has Franken been under? No personal problems that I have read on him......I do definitely agree with you about Blago.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:55 PM on 01/05/2009
- Grunty1 I'm a Fan of Grunty1 234 fans permalink

Two? Shameful? Franken is not like Burris by any stretch.

The only shameful thing I see here is you trying to link the two.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:20 PM on 01/05/2009
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Aren't they going to arrest Coleman? Are they waiting so it doesn't look political?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:16 PM on 01/05/2009

Can someone please explain why 654 absentee ballots were rejected?

I do not fully understand this paragraph here: "The state Supreme Court cited an earlier order requiring candidates and local election officials to agree on which unopened absentee ballots should be included in the recount. Justice Alan Page said the ballots Coleman identified didn't have that consensus."

If there are votes sitting there, unopened, why is there *any* discussion about it? Just open them, count them, and have it done on election day. There should NEVER be a discussion on which ones to open and count. That seems simple. What's going on here?

So, by NOT counting all the votes, there will be a cloud hanging over this election and will forever give the GOP an opening to say that the election was stolen. I don't want to win an election with a cloud hanging over it just because it is better than 2000 and 2004 where we LOST elections with clouds hanging over them. Let's count ALL THE VOTES in all elections.

Again... please explain why there are unopened votes... why they are not getting counted... and why they were "rejected."

Thank you in advance!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:11 PM on 01/05/2009
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Some 12,000 plus absentee ballots were rejected. The reason: they were late. This is no different than if you tried to vote after the polls closed. Coleman has cherry-picked 650 ballots from favorable districts that he thinks will put him over the top. He doesn't want all of the rejected ballots counted, just some of them. Coleman's lawyers aren't telling the whole story, they are trying to make it sound as if Franken did something wrong. He didn't.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:16 PM on 01/05/2009

But didn't Franken work the system in "his" districts to cherry-pick ballots that would raise his count?

I understand each time he would demand a recount they would discover more Franken votes.

Why not count all 12,000 ballots?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:20 PM on 01/05/2009

Okay, so we have a pool of over 12,000 ballots that were rejected. This was probably known pretty early-on in the process, no?

A rejected ballot is a rejected ballot. It's late? It's rejected. Makes perfect sense.

That should be the end of the story, no? Why is there ANY discussion on the issue? It sounds pretty black and white to me. It's late... it's rejected... NO discussion.

Clearly, to UN-reject some of the ballots in more favorable districts is a travesty.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:41 PM on 01/05/2009
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I found this explanation: "There are four legal reasons for rejecting absentee ballots in Minnesota: inconsistent addresses, forged, fake, or missing signatures, a non-registered applicant, or an absentee applicant who voted in person. Minnesota now also has what is called Pile 5, absentee ballots that were rejected for none of those reasons."

Pile 5 votes are the approx. 1300 ballots--out of 12,000--that were "wrongfully rejected." The Supreme Court ruled that the two candidates must agree upon which of these get counted. 933 of those 1300 were counted, and Franken picked up 176 votes. (I'm not sure why the SC didn't simply order *all* of the wrongfully rejected ballots to be counted?)

Now Coleman wants to count 650 more that were *not* Pile 5 ballots.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:36 PM on 01/05/2009

obviously Franken is not going to allow ballots from republican districts and Coleman is not going to allow ballots from democratic ones.

I think is shows a gross ignorance by the Coleman team in not knowing how to work the system - for that reason alone Franken should get the nod.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:43 PM on 01/05/2009
- zoozey I'm a Fan of zoozey 34 fans permalink

Thank you and Anare for all your work on getting this answer. YOu made it very easy to understand!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:00 PM on 01/05/2009
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They were rejected for things like NOT being signed by the voter.
If a ballot does not have a valid, verifiable signature it could be a fraud vote.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:26 PM on 01/05/2009

India the most popu\lous Democracy had an election five years ago. Most places had up to 10-12 candidates ! They counted over 300 million ballots, if not more without complaints or law suits. Whatis wrong with our counters and confusing ballots in these UNITED, states with twenty different kinds of ballots?
Can we have a non partisan election commisiion, for all future elections( LIKE the Presidential debates commission)that runs for ten years, like they have in INDIA. And political judges do not come into the picture.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:03 PM on 01/05/2009

I am confused, Franken sues to make sure every ballot is counted because that is what is just and American and right, but now Coleman sues to make sure every ballot is counted and he is wrong?

Whith so many counties reporting more actual votes than ballots, doesn't something smell fishy here?

I am sure Franken will make as good a Senator as Jesse "the body" Ventura did a governor and Minnesota surely deserves this comedy they have brought on themselves - but the bigger issue is if we can pick a oscar winner or an American Idol winner without a problem, why not a senator, governor, or President?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:09 PM on 01/05/2009

As I understand it, Franken sued only for the NAMES... you can read here:

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/11/14/al-franken-sues-over-abse_n_143821.html

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:52 PM on 01/05/2009
- stepper I'm a Fan of stepper 16 fans permalink
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1) Coleman is suing to make sure 'certain' ballots are counted, not all ballots. Those ballots have already been rejected TWICE.

2) Please report the names of the 'so many counties' that had 'more actual votes than ballots.' I don't even understand what that means.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:14 PM on 01/05/2009
- democracy7 I'm a Fan of democracy7 11 fans permalink

There is a difference, Franken is intelligent, Ventura not so much. We need every intelligent mind in the senate that we can get.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:23 PM on 01/05/2009
- Horus45 I'm a Fan of Horus45 35 fans permalink
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Oscar winners are not selected by the public, they are selected by the Academy.
You can vote as many times as you want for an American Idol contestant and not just once.
They reject ballots for a reason, to keep from counting fraudulent votes.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:29 PM on 01/05/2009
- vincie I'm a Fan of vincie 2 fans permalink

YOUR BUDDY COLEMAN DIDN'T WANT ALL OF THEM COUNTED, THAT'S THE DIFFERENCE, FRANKEN DID. COLEMAN WANTS ONLY THE BALLOT THAT COME FROM REPUBLICAN AREAS COUNTED. IN OTHER WORDS HE CHERRY PICKED. I HOPE THE COURT STAYS OUT OF IT, OR WE WILL HAVE ANOTHER 2000 ELECTION, WITH THE COURT GIVING BUSH THE PRESIDENCY.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:01 PM on 01/05/2009
- JZ735 I'm a Fan of JZ735 22 fans permalink

One huge stumbling block: Pawlenty has to certify this, and he apparently has no intention of doing so.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:09 PM on 01/05/2009
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The governor doesn't certify.

Teh Canvassing Board and the Sec. of State do.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:23 PM on 01/05/2009

all good democrats - Franken has this locked.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:48 PM on 01/05/2009
- majii I'm a Fan of majii 14 fans permalink

I've been following this election for quite some time now, and it was my understanding that Coleman had to bring up the issue of the 654 votes before a certain date which he failed to do. Now he wants to include those votes because they come from a heavily Republican district. Why would he not meet the deadline, notice he wasn't going to win the election after agreeing to the terms set by the MN Supreme Court which clearly stated that both candidates had to agree on which ballots would be included, agree to that, then now disagree because he didn't win after all of the ballots have been counted?
His lack of character says a lot about his character. His seeking the lawsuit is indicative of ,"win at all costs, pay no attention to the demonstrated will of the people because the results show that they don't know who they should have voted for."

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:09 PM on 01/05/2009

I agree, I think that both these guys should be working in the back of a fast food restaurant and I mean no disrespect to those hard working people that actually accomplish something at the end of their shift.

Still the unchallenged fact that many precincts are reporting more votes than ballots bothers me. I think everyone's vote should be counted, I just don't think it is right to count some people's vote twice - - -

Florida was a mess, Washington State was a mess, now I guess we add Minnesota to the list.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:16 PM on 01/05/2009
- democracy7 I'm a Fan of democracy7 11 fans permalink

Every vote should count, that is the Democratic way. The problem is that there were ballots that were disputed by both sides. Some were disquallified for legal reasons.
Coleman thought he had the election sewn up, and now he doesn't want to concede.
So now he is dragging the state through more wasteful spending while the courts fight it out.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:29 PM on 01/05/2009
- lizziekw I'm a Fan of lizziekw 39 fans permalink

"Still the unchallenged fact that many precincts are reporting more votes than ballots bothers me. I think everyone's vote should be counted, I just don't think it is right to count some people's vote twice - - -"

No, that is nothing remotely like an "unchallenged fact." The number of votes matches the number of voters. No one's vote has been counted twice. Your faith in myths is cute but your "concern" is completely unfounded.

Coleman lost, Franken won and that's that. Better luck next time and have a nice day.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:03 PM on 01/05/2009
- stepper I'm a Fan of stepper 16 fans permalink
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Once again with the 'more votes than ballots' yarn. I still don't know what that means.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:14 PM on 01/05/2009
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Poor little Repugnicans. Boo freaking hoo. If the shoe was on the other foot, they'd be screaming "Stop the process now! Seat Coleman!" At least that's what they were shrieking a couple of weeks ago.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:05 PM on 01/05/2009
- lisakaz2 I'm a Fan of lisakaz2 119 fans permalink
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You're toast,Normie. Time you concentrated on your ethics charges.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:52 PM on 01/05/2009
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Has anyone ever heard of a post-election challenger overturning a certified election result? It seems that once a candidate has taken office, it would take an act of God to unseat the person. I just do not understand why Coleman does not concede. He has his own legal troubles in the wings, and Franken would not have won by this slim margin if he were not qualified and voted for by the electorate. The people have voted, the vote has been counted and recounted and the results are a win for Franken. Time to move on. Of course, we then have the drama of Senate Republicans who will try to keep Franken from taking his rightful seat in the Senate. They are poor losers. There was no way in a change election that this Dem was not going to prevail. This is what happens in change elections. Time to move on the the Nation's important business. Seat both Franken and Burris and be done with the sorry mess. They can be voted out in 2010 and beyond if they are not effective senators.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:49 PM on 01/05/2009
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What Coleman and the RNC are hoping for even though the odds get longer every day, is a victory. So that even if Coleman gets indicted in a month, and is thrown out by the Senate, MN has a republican gov who would then put in a republican senator.

It's not just about Coleman who is hoping he won't be indicted but rather making sure that the republican governor will be able to replace Coleman with another republican.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:01 PM on 01/05/2009
- zoozey I'm a Fan of zoozey 34 fans permalink

You may be right on this. However, I think the Rep. MN gov. would be crazy to do this, as it would just absolutely REEK!!!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:05 PM on 01/05/2009

Maryanne, one right one wrong, Burris 2010- Franken 2014. Al gets 6 yrs Burris 2
Being from ILL., I have not voted for Burris and will not vote for him ever period. He is a Daley Mach. Hack.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:16 PM on 01/05/2009
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When Coleman says he is going to sue over ballots not counted, he really means throwing out legit votes that add to Franken's win? My GOP translation is not as good as it used to be.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:41 PM on 01/05/2009
- rich misty I'm a Fan of rich misty 1041 fans permalink
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Yep, that is always part of the GOP plan.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:48 PM on 01/05/2009

What saddens me is the amount of polarization the Republicans have created since Watergate. They couldn't admit that Nixon was a crook back then, and they've been blaming the Democrats for everything that's "wrong" with the country ever since. Now the Democrats have started reacting in kind, demanding revenge and retribution for all the wrongs done against them in the last forty years,

What Mr. Obama is trying to do is unify us all so that we can actually accomplish something in the next four years. But he can't succeed unless we all start treating each other with the respect we deserve. Having healthy differences of opinion is fine, as long as respect is maintained. Unfounded and false accusations of a personal nature against someone have no place in our society. We need to stop acting like a bunch of junior high school kids.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:41 PM on 01/05/2009
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At a certain point the grownups get fed up with junior high antics. Then it becomes our responsibility to discipline juvenile junior high teens or they will never learn and they will keep committing bigger and bigger crimes. That's exactly what happened in Washington. Republicans were never stopped so they gave us Bush and Cheney and war and economic disaster. Don't think of this as juvenile retribution, think of it as finally reigning in our out-of-control Republican teenagers in Washington.

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